Hach3
msg:3114682 | 9:15 pm on Oct 9, 2006 (gmt 0) |
Not a bad ROI for YouTube. Can Google make up that money though, that remains to be seen.
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ericfwebmaster
msg:3114687 | 9:20 pm on Oct 9, 2006 (gmt 0) |
Doesnt it seem like as soon as they start to try and make money through forced preview ads that people will just jumpship to the next "YouTube".
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vite_rts
msg:3114689 | 9:22 pm on Oct 9, 2006 (gmt 0) |
who thinks this is a bad idea? who thinks this is a good idea? What about youtube is worth 1.5 billion? why is google video worth so much less? I guess when you've got control of that much cash, the rest of us cannot understand :-) [edited by: vite_rts at 9:27 pm (utc) on Oct. 9, 2006]
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skibum
msg:3114694 | 9:26 pm on Oct 9, 2006 (gmt 0) |
It's all about the eyeballs and that is pocket change to GOOG.
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vite_rts
msg:3114696 | 9:28 pm on Oct 9, 2006 (gmt 0) |
1.5 billion in cash? Perhaps its an all shares swap In that case, perhaps one should remember other such buys [edited by: vite_rts at 9:31 pm (utc) on Oct. 9, 2006]
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kaz
msg:3114697 | 9:29 pm on Oct 9, 2006 (gmt 0) |
bad idea
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skibum
msg:3114698 | 9:31 pm on Oct 9, 2006 (gmt 0) |
No, all stock but 1.6B to GOOG either way doesn't seem like much to Google.
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Clark
msg:3114699 | 9:31 pm on Oct 9, 2006 (gmt 0) |
Because google video is where they want to be and they are happy with their technology but not the eyeballs to their video site. They have big media plans (as does yahoo). Pretend that they just spent 1.7 billion in marketing google video except that they are almost guaranteed to keep the large number of boobtube visitors unless they screw something up. BTW, to compare to a similar acquisition of eyeballs and predict if it was a good or bad move, does anyone know, has blogger.com lost any viewership since acquired or has google's "addons" improved viewership? Further, did they make money on the purchase due to adsense or lose money?
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vite_rts
msg:3114701 | 9:35 pm on Oct 9, 2006 (gmt 0) |
stock/shares same thing, That 1.6 billion valuation then means,,,, very little if the acquisition doesn't build value equal to whathe present valuation is Is google really worth more than ,,,, say P&O , the cruise company, well according to stock price,,,,, But time will tell, I hope some one will pay me that kinda cash for my websites , soon :-) :-)
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trillianjedi
msg:3114702 | 9:35 pm on Oct 9, 2006 (gmt 0) |
| who thinks this is a good idea? |
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It's a no-brainer. Google will make a ton of money out of it over the years - the ad potential there is just mind-boggling. TJ
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Wibfision
msg:3114709 | 9:38 pm on Oct 9, 2006 (gmt 0) |
What is to stop somebody else setting up another one? $1.65 billion is a huge incentive.
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Brett_Tabke
msg:3114710 | 9:39 pm on Oct 9, 2006 (gmt 0) |
> who thinks this is a good idea? I do I do. > What about youtube is worth 1.5 billion? Umm, ok - I give!? Could it be the 60-100 million page views a day? > why is google video worth so much less? Because no one knows it is there and their algo for putting related stuff in your face - well - it sucks. Hmmm... I wonder what our old buddy Marc Cuban has to say about this today..hehe - go mavs!
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gibbergibber
msg:3114722 | 9:48 pm on Oct 9, 2006 (gmt 0) |
--Not a bad ROI for YouTube.-- Only because they got taken over, not because they had a profitable business model. You can't build a sustainable business with that kind of plan. There's been high profile billion dollar takeover after another, usually with one established dotcom buying a new unprofitable one, and they usually fail to justify themselves even years down the line. --Umm, ok - I give!? Could it be the 60-100 million page views a day?-- But the expense of delivering the video, not to say the potential lawsuits and/or profit-sharing involving copyright owners, outweighs the possible revenue from pageviews. [edited by: gibbergibber at 9:50 pm (utc) on Oct. 9, 2006]
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Quadrille
msg:3114723 | 9:48 pm on Oct 9, 2006 (gmt 0) |
Even if they don't make as much as they hoped - Y! and M$N won't make a penny on it! It has to be a good deal, unless the punters all jump ship tomorrow, and they won't; the lionger Google can keep ahead of new sites in this field, the more cash they'll make. And the prospects of much more free video - legal free video - makes this a good deal for us too. It's clear from the parellel deals with cbs, universal, warner et al., that the business model is advertising and free downloads. Would M$N have dared to apply that model? Not a hope!
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vite_rts
msg:3114734 | 9:58 pm on Oct 9, 2006 (gmt 0) |
Its interesting how much people spend trying to bring the internet an the movies together, does anyone remember any precedents? Google, the company, will either make a lot off cash or alternatively, it, google the company , will lose not much cash if things go the other way, But hey you ask, what about the 1.6 billion dollars i just had an interesting thought, I just realised that the people who use youtube probably don't already use Google, what a thought, they use youtube as their search engine,or perhaps yahoo/msn/ask So google paid 1.6billion for new users, who currently don't use google This is great actually, high drama, big players , big dollars An, great motivation to all off us to go make something as original as ,,, youtube Agggh, i'm green with envy, anyone got some original idea's to give away :-)
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Quadrille
msg:3114746 | 10:08 pm on Oct 9, 2006 (gmt 0) |
A good point. Just inserting a Google site / web search will probably be worth 10% of the purchase price over a couple of years.
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engine
msg:3114748 | 10:09 pm on Oct 9, 2006 (gmt 0) |
Oh, this is good money, although a little high. Just look at the potential for ads with every video. In addition, consider the AdSense potential and incentive for those uploading videos.
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vite_rts
msg:3114756 | 10:16 pm on Oct 9, 2006 (gmt 0) |
Erm, ,, I think I did not quite put the bit about youtube users not already using google quite correctly, Put it another way, when msn messenger joined connections with yahoo messenger, did their combined use base qual their individual user bases added directly, msn 30mill + yahoo35mill = combined 65mill ? I just invented those figures above!
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incrediBILL
msg:3114760 | 10:19 pm on Oct 9, 2006 (gmt 0) |
| > who thinks this is a good idea? I do I do. |
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I do for the traffic, it's a huge win in that dept. I don't as a stockholder unless the copyright issues of YouTube can be quickly addressed as the infringement lawsuits are starting to stack up. I don't for the price paid, it's crazy DOT COM BUBBLE pricing all over again and so far Google has been a very stable investment but this leaves me thinking their stock has just become highly volatile, escpecially if they can't squeeze money out of YouTube. What's the YouTube game plan, slap AdSense all over the place? [edited by: incrediBILL at 10:19 pm (utc) on Oct. 9, 2006]
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maccas
msg:3114768 | 10:26 pm on Oct 9, 2006 (gmt 0) |
I personally think YouTube will go down hill from here. As we know a large percentage of the material is either blatent copywrite infringment or borderline at best. Google will know doubt be more proactive in removing the offending material (aka Google Videos) and hence the users will find an alternative. I use youtube to watch shows that I am unable to get where I am i.e The Daily Show, once they are removed thats me gone.
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Brett_Tabke
msg:3114772 | 10:28 pm on Oct 9, 2006 (gmt 0) |
Sooooo, what was all tha video noise a month ago from Mr Cutts about? Things that make you go....hmmm
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ashear
msg:3114773 | 10:28 pm on Oct 9, 2006 (gmt 0) |
I just heard it was 100% stock, wow what a bad deal. Google made out here!
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Brett_Tabke
msg:3114781 | 10:31 pm on Oct 9, 2006 (gmt 0) |
> I just heard it was 100% stock And G stock jumped what - $500m since the rumors started floating last week. So, that brings the purchase price down to $1.1b so far. How far will it go down tomorrow? By the time GOOG settles on the markets - G won't take a dollar out of their pocket and the stock is already accouting for itself in the marketplace.
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incrediBILL
msg:3114789 | 10:48 pm on Oct 9, 2006 (gmt 0) |
All I know if the last time things like this happened the market blew up in our faces and many people lost boatloads of money. Just because YouTube is popular doesn't make it profitable. Lot's of popular and cool sites vaporized a few years back because they gave everything away and tried to make it up on volume, hope this isn't one of those things. Only one thing we can do is sit back and wait to see how this plays out in the months to come. [edited by: incrediBILL at 10:49 pm (utc) on Oct. 9, 2006]
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jtara
msg:3114792 | 10:54 pm on Oct 9, 2006 (gmt 0) |
Congratulations to Google on their second successful product! Now, they just have to figure out a way to make it profitable.
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ALbino
msg:3114797 | 11:01 pm on Oct 9, 2006 (gmt 0) |
If their 60 million pageviews are worth $1.5 billion then surely my 4 million pageviews are worth $100 million? :) ATTN Google: Please buy my site.
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BillyS
msg:3114811 | 11:13 pm on Oct 9, 2006 (gmt 0) |
>>Just look at the potential for ads with every video How fast do you think the loyal YouTube folks will head elsewhere when that happens? You're already changing its appeal. >> I just heard it was 100% stock
And G stock jumped what - $500m since the rumors started floating last week. So, that brings the purchase price down to $1.1b so far. How far will it go down tomorrow? By the time GOOG settles on the markets - G won't take a dollar out of their pocket. |
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I don't think it works that way. If they issue stock to purchase YouTube, then they dilute earnings and shareholders should be ticked-off. If they purchase shares on the open market, they still have to pay market price - which is $1.6 billion. The only difference is they purchase fewer shares.
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moTi
msg:3114816 | 11:16 pm on Oct 9, 2006 (gmt 0) |
hmm.. this story reminds me so much of the napster/bertelsmann deal. welcome to web bubble 2.0! napster story in short: - founded as a revolutionary p2p file sharing tool in 1998 by shawn fanning - fastest growing internet community at that time. peak time in 2001 with 38 million users - purchased by bertelsmann for 80 million dollar. premise was to transform it to a legal download platform - other platforms like kazaa and edonkey gaining user favor and taking up leadership in file sharing - napster sued to death by record companies because of former copyright violations. finally got busted and turned-off - brand name bought up by a software company. by now one among a crowd of moderately successful music download platforms
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gregbo
msg:3114838 | 11:42 pm on Oct 9, 2006 (gmt 0) |
| i just had an interesting thought, I just realised that the people who use youtube probably don't already use Google, what a thought, they use youtube as their search engine,or perhaps yahoo/msn/ask |
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I don't think this is necessarily true. YouTube is a young company. G was around long before it. Why would someone using G switch engines just because they started using YouTube? Searching ("googling") is a habit developed over time.
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