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5-25 MSN Search Update

 2:41 pm on May 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am seeing major movement in the serps. Nothing looks pretty at all. The authoriy knob just got turned off completely. I am seeing a new load of spam and overall lack of relevency.



 6:21 pm on May 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

Zeus, what do you mean? To me, msn.com and arabia.msn.com results are still different. I'd definitely recommend MSN to use the arabia results again and go from there to fix each problem individually, because arabia.msn.com has very good relevant results overall on general queries. I find it hard to believe that they changed everything so dramatically and accept these irrelevant results, just to fix a few not-all-that important issues. Which by the way haven't really been fixed as posted before by others.


 7:06 pm on May 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

AngeloB - when I do a search on MSN.com it switches to arabia.msn and those results are ok.


 7:17 pm on May 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

I've noticed some sites are up and some are down with the changes...but mostly, like others are saying is the number of referrals from MSN has dropped dramatically in the past 2 days.

I don't see how this could be tied to an algo update, but even sites that have moved from 3rd page to #2 position on first page are not seeing much increase in traffic...very odd.


 7:27 pm on May 30, 2006 (gmt 0)


Lucky you ;-), you're automatically getting the better results. I take it you're not from the US? I noticed that some people from outside the USA had this happening - but search.msn.com won't redirect to search.arabia.msn.com for people IN the US though.


 8:39 pm on May 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

I would agree with the arabia.msn search results, however I believe that is simply a listing before any algo / changes were applied.

Those results for most of the sectors I work in look quite good (and I mean from a visitor standpoint, not an seo standpoint)

The results on msn.com have a long way to go to resemble anything remotely conneted to quality in many sectors unfortunately...


 12:54 am on May 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

has anyone gotten pages into the msn index since the update?


 1:03 am on May 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am seeing a new load of spam and overall lack of relevency

Sounds like they're trying to be Google ;)


 2:08 am on May 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

Why MSN names it arabia.msn search for those outside of US is very strange.

People in Europe would not like to be classified as in Asia and those in Asia would not like to classified as in Europe. Now MSN put both Europe and Asia under arabia. Very weird set up in my opinion for psychological sense.

I think general users outside US would be very surprise to see themselves being redirected to arabia.search if they notice it and negative side here is that it could enhance a lack of trust in MSN. At least naming it global.msn would be a better choice, imo.


 2:18 am on May 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

>>> has anyone gotten pages into the msn index since the update?

I got some new pages from a new site into the index during the update with cache 28 May and 29 May, but it could be due to the fact that the bot just crawled them some hours before the red button was pushed. Now at very pace nearly to stop...


 4:25 am on May 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

Actually we know that Europe isn't in Asia. :-) This is just a bug, and we're still looking into it. Sorry for the inconvenience.


 4:45 am on May 31, 2006 (gmt 0)


Lots of questions in this thread. The one you selected to answer is very interesting.

You said the update would be complete on Monday at the latest. I'll take you at your word. I recently discontined all my PPC with Yahoo. I refuse to support a search engine with inferior serps in my areas. I was happy to put most of that money into MSN and a little into Google (there was already alot in G). Now, I'll have to take all the MSN money and put in Google. Your serps have deteriorated in my areas so badly that I can't support your company.


 5:04 am on May 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hello msndude. Please update us the newest news at MSN search. Some authority sites have been hit and dropped 10 - 20 pages since the newest update.


 5:16 am on May 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

People crying because they have lost their positions with MSN new update. Don't Blame MSN search fot it, I think MSN results are more cleaner now, although its not that good but, its one step to the right direction. I feel the results are much better than Yahoo Search.


 5:37 am on May 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm sorry to hear that, Jim. As I've said before, we are planning on a busy summer, so this is just the first of a series of changes. If you want to send me a sticky with the particulars, I'll be happy to look into what happened in your area.

As for my selection of topics, I didn't see other posts that raised questions I hadn't already answered, and I didn't want to just post the same thing twice. In a few cases, I sent someone a sticky rather than reply in the forum. And, of course, we DID just have a holiday. :-)


 2:42 pm on May 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

Msndude, I have 2 closely related sites.
One offers widgets, the other lists raw materials for widget making. The sites are heavily interlinked between related pages. I have a feeling that MSN no longer approves of such arrangement. Can you please confirm or deny my suspicions


 2:59 pm on May 31, 2006 (gmt 0)


Whats the score with the situation where you can do a search for a page you know exists in the MSN index but cant get the page returned for its targeted keywords (even when MSN appears to say all results are returned)

EG:site:domain.com may return page domain.com/red_widgets_redmond.html and when you do a search for the title of the page say red widgets redmond - the page does not appear in the results (even if there is a very low number of results returned so it is possible to check all returned results from MSN)

eg. Results 1-8 - a page which has the targeted text etc - it has been indexed as demonstrated by a site:domain.com search but cant appear for the relevant search.


 3:21 pm on May 31, 2006 (gmt 0)


Thank you for your generous offer. However, I do not have the time or the inclination to be a non-paid consultant for Microsoft Corporation. I know I'm wierd, but I see the world in black and white terms. A business offers a product for sale. I decide if I want to buy it. At this time, I do not want to buy your product. I'll be happy to re-evaluate your product in the fall, after your busy summer and series of changes. Again, thanks.


 4:27 pm on May 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

I know some people here talked about losing their index pages. Is my problem at all related to this? I have a site, who's homepage, domain.com, for the last year was on page one for widgets. Now, the homepage doesn't show up in index for the term widgets, but my blog, domain.blogspot.com and an interior page domain.com/red_widget.html does.

Is this a bug?


 4:28 pm on May 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

Let me note that the interior page and blog of the site appear on page 4, no where near where my homepage use to place.


 9:24 pm on May 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

MSN Dude

Please let us know when we can start using MSN search again.
These results are unacceptable.
Brazil results are the best I've seen.



 9:30 pm on May 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

I agree...Brazil's are pretty decent. Not seeing my missing domain problem there...probably why I like it ;-)


 9:33 pm on May 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

Brazil is even better then Google and Yahoo.
Maybe they don't want good results for the us, maybe its a pay per click grab.


 9:40 pm on May 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

Brazil results are much better. Still some problems, two garbage sites in the top ten, and strangely, two swedish language sites in the top 20.

msndude, I expect comments above relate to wanting an answer to: have you recored from dumping the 100 million bits of poop into the index. From what I can see, the Monday date passed without improvement.


 9:42 pm on May 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

i have to agree with everyone above.

the brazil results are decent...and i'm saying that from a user perspective


 9:59 pm on May 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

In my sector Brazil results are worse then US. First pages are full of blogs and MFAs.


 11:16 pm on May 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

On arabia.msn I am seeing great results, and that's not from a personal point, but I see good information including good local content. I have no prolem when other sites rank higher than us if I can respect those sites as being worthwile good sites, what is annoying is when your site appears way done below sites that have little or no content at all and are not relevant. I think the current arabia.msn results are about the best I have seen around.


 12:11 am on Jun 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yes. The recovery is complete. Remember that I did say that it wouldn't magically fix every problem with every query. Still, if you don't think the results today are better than the results on Friday, I'd REALLY like to know what queries you're looking at!


 1:05 am on Jun 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Clear out your sticky box then ... :)


 1:08 am on Jun 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

the results on brazil are horrible in my sector.
reallllly bad. if anyone interested PM me and i'll show you. you'd laugh if you saw it.
this isnt my sector, but as an example, search on diet pills on msn at the moment reveals about 1 legitmate site, and the rest are blogspot spammers on page 1. By rewarding these spammers , it just makes them spam more and ruin services like blogspot/turn then into garbage heaps overrun by spammers.

I know msndude is trying and i've met him a few times at the pubcons, but it still needs major repair to be respectable. It really went down hill/lost its almost as good as google back in january. last 2-3 updates really killed good serps.

I got a tip at this point. Just filter out page 1-2 completely for competitive/generic phrases and you can eliminate/ reduce the spam. Just put a message that spam filter is enabled and to click here to skip to page 2 and 3 and beyond to see the real results and legitimate sites.

All kidding aside, here is the big test for relavancy/serps.. find WebmasterWorld on MSN. Search for webmaster terms related terms, obvious ones. Webmaster, Webmaster forum, webmater forums, webmaster help, webmaster discussion

Is www.webmasterworld.com in the first 2-3 pages? First 5? 10? I dont see it. Maybe just me, but i dont see it. MSN attends their conferences, sponsors their eventsm speaks on panels, but you cant find WebmasterWorld after their update. I looked, and it didnt show for any of those obvious terms. if thats the case, Then you need to check and see whats wrong and get back to the drawing board. (dont repair one site by hand either). If this isnt there, many more probably aren't either. You cant claim an update is a success, yet cant find the place you are posting on to tell us about it, in your own search engine. I searched for 'webmaster' and did not see WebmasterWorld even in the top 100.. that is really bad. Its on Yahoo/google. something is defenitely wrong/really bad.

I would suggest even just give extra weight to sites with dmoz/yahoo directory links. (spammers dont get dmoz/yahoo listings) that would go along way to getting good serps back, at the moment , sorry they are horrible.

This msn forum is busy though and we want more search engine diversity, So keep trying and eventually you'll get it good and we will support your company/efforts.


 2:30 am on Jun 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Still, if you don't think the results today are better than the results on Friday, I'd REALLY like to know what queries you're looking at!

Pretty much every search term out there. I mean really, have you read the complaints here?

It's not just here, but everywhere - let me just spell it out for a second: S-P-A-M. Yup, tons of it. Keyword domains are so high they passed Tommy Chong a few miles back.


 3:05 am on Jun 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

MSNDude: For a search query, try "mortgage after bankruptcy", it looks like the first two pages are mostly owned by one or two companies that own a bunch of almost identical websites.

My site got bumped from #3 on the first page (with almost 1000 pages of original content and thousands of backlinks) to oblivion and was replaced by these total spam pages.

I can't even try to fix anything to come up higher because all of the top pages are complete spam with no backlinks.

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