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Can't get to MSN results
website has good Google positions, but MSN ignores it

 5:11 pm on Jun 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have a problem:

The website isn't shown in MSN search results.


1) It has good Google Positions (top 10 by almost all keywords);

2) Google PR = 7;

3) Website has 10K backlinks;

4) It has 15K indexed pages;

5) It doesn't have any spam.

As far as I understand I can't post the URL here, but if someone needs, I could send a PM.

The same happens with Yahoo as well :( in spite of Top Most Popular Position in Y! Dir... but it's another story...

I would appreciate any help.

Thanks in advance.




 2:49 am on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

If your site is not listed in Yahoo, it won't be in MSN either because MSN uses the Yahoo database.
You may find information from other people with the same problem if you read the Yahoo forum.


 9:25 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

No, MSN does not use the Yahoo database. They use the Overture database, which Yahoo owns. There is a huge difference.

In my case:
Google: 11,200 pages
Yahoo: 7,980 pages
MSN: 376 pages
AV: 385 pages


 9:53 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

Gee, I thought that they used the Ink database (which Yahoo also owns) to back fill after the paid listings.

I get decent rankings in both Y and MSN. I would say, get into the Ink database.



 11:14 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

You're probably right, but whatever one they use, it is not the same as the complete yahoo index.

I wonder when they will dump them and use the data from their new bot, that thing hit me harder than googlebot last month.


 7:40 am on Jun 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

"Website has 10K backlinks"... That is a worry.

"It has 15K indexed pages" and "It doesn't have any spam" sound slightly incongrouos to me.

Note the forum charter [webmasterworld.com] but since the thread shows there is some confusion as to how the MSN search is made up, and since the forum is quite quiet at the moment, I'm happy to keep the thread.

From what I understand, Overture also uses Inktomi. Results after it runs out of advertisers. The thing with Inktomi is that it allows its partners to add their own filters to the results.

Gary - Welcome to WebmasterWorld and thanks for posting.


 8:02 am on Jun 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

As I understand it MSN uses the new Yahoo! index but puts its own spin on the results.


 12:39 pm on Jun 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>"Website has 10K backlinks"... That is a worry.

>>"It has 15K indexed pages" and "It doesn't have any spam" sound slightly incongrouos to me.

I'm not sure that I understand you...

Isn't it good if a website has lots ok backlinks? Isn't it a goal of any SEO-manager or so?

As for indexed pages and spam:
the website - is an online shop that has many product items - a separate page is dedicated to every item.


 7:11 pm on Jun 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Inktomi has many more trip filters than Google and when a filter is signalled, a human looks at your backlinks pattern and will consider the similarities between your 15,000 pages.

Probably better to ask this in [webmasterworld.com...]


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