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MSN beta - new version of MSN search
zeus




msg:1540220
 2:30 pm on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

new version of MSN search here - [beta.msn.com...]

 

inbound




msg:1540221
 3:29 pm on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yeah, works 'beta' in IE. As usual MS have managed to neglect testing the layout on anything else!

idolw




msg:1540222
 4:20 pm on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

search does not work at all.
did the entire internet run to test the new kid of Bill or just the usual 'accident'? ;)

skunker




msg:1540223
 4:26 pm on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

I thought it was Yahoo! before I saw the MSN logo.

Ok, just tested the search. It has not been updated, just the user interface.

davelms




msg:1540224
 6:09 pm on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

"Yeah, works 'beta' in IE. As usual MS have managed to neglect testing the layout on anything else!"

Haha, yes, not only does it look terrible in Firefox but it doesn't work either. Fine in IE :-)

mcmoxie




msg:1540225
 3:45 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

Seriously, this is pathetic, even for a beta. search.msn.com (& Microsoft) just does not "get it".

phantombookman




msg:1540226
 4:37 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

Just searched for 6 of my sites using the most important and competitive 2 word terms. Each site returned #1

That'll do for me!
Keep up the good work Bill

Chico_Loco




msg:1540227
 4:45 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

From someone that just can't wait for additional competition against Google:

Microsoft, Mr. Gates: You're making a show of yourselves.

carguy84




msg:1540228
 5:30 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

"it doesn't work in Firefox"
oh bring on the waaaaaambulance.

it's beta, get over it and move on. If MSFT isn't going to put the effort into making IE compliant, exactly how much time are they going to put into making their BETA site FF compliant?

Probably not very much.

cerebrum




msg:1540229
 5:40 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

I searched for some keywords and I go some scrap sites in top 10. Theres something wrong. Some guys are able to game MSN algorithm.

iblaine




msg:1540230
 5:47 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

I like the idea of making the homepage resemble a portal(yahoo) rather than an interface to search(google). The functionality in beta.msn.com is not complete, obviously. Yahoo is competing with G by being a portal and not only a tool for search - maybe MSN can go the same direction.

akashic




msg:1540231
 6:14 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

>I searched for some keywords and I go some scrap sites in top 10. Theres something wrong. Some guys are able to game MSN algorithm.

Me too... the results are... horrible.

texasville




msg:1540232
 6:15 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hmmm..I know this isn't a popular viewpoint but I really like msn's results in my sector. If I look in the top 30 results for my keywords and phrases, I see nothing but good clean sites. Not spammers, not black hat sites. I admit I rank very well but still...I look in google and I see much more gaming going on. Top site in my sector in google is a scraper with hidden links and text. Even got GG to remove it once. It's back in 3 months, still #1 and hasn't changed a thing. LOL. So who has the better se? imo, msn is best in my sector. Followed by Yahoo.
Granted, not in real estate or travel so don't know much about those. And almost none of the sites in my sector sell ads. Mostly web sites for medium business selling high ticket items with brick and mortar sites.

pontifex




msg:1540233
 6:47 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

i also think, they are on a good road and take it slowly for the vista release...

i think they have a clear timeframe and the search shall fit the OS... if they can do that and the whole works hand in hand without opening too many bugs and security issues (see OS X dashboard), they will combine personalized pages with neat features (google does that already with the personalized page). With MSN on a new Vista and until then improved results, they will take market share - i see no reason why not.

Remember: this is for the masses, not for WebmasterWorld members...

2 pennies,
P!

koen




msg:1540234
 6:54 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

I wonder how it looks in IE7.

eskipii




msg:1540235
 7:17 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

maybe you need to use IE7 to ge relevant results =)

mann




msg:1540236
 7:19 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

Why MSN use page layout similar to yahoo?

May be they don't have desingers with Unique Layout Ideas.

Copy CAT!

lexipixel




msg:1540237
 7:56 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

Isn't "BETA" supposed to be after "ALPHA" (testing)?

It crashed a copy IE 5.5 (twice).

Before it crashed I noticed the CSS layout left the first three menu items (HotMail, Messenger and "My MSN") overlapping the menu items in the second column of the layout.

To get a little further in the "test", I loaded the site again, and this time clicked "STOP" (in IE to stop page from loading before it crashed)... same old search, same old results. (And same CSS style problems)...

You'd think they would at least test it with their own products. And you'd think they'd try to do something original or innovative with the layout if this is actually an MS announced beta.

FrostyMug




msg:1540238
 8:01 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

looks really bad in FireFox, nothing's aligned, images overlap, even the main msn image is not aligned and is 'hiding' behind a search box.

surftrack




msg:1540239
 8:44 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

it's not the beta for search...it's the beta for msn.com
the search takes you to search.msn.com ...which is the same as the regular msn.com

rise2it




msg:1540240
 8:46 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)


Same as lexipixel results - running Win2K with IE 5.5 - instant crashes.

I dispise XP, and I think IE6 is SLOOOOOOOOOOOW. I still purchase and install Win2K when I build machines. I just bought a new laptop, killed XP, and installed Win2K on it also.

Hope they get this worked out.

Junanagoh




msg:1540241
 9:20 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

still come up on the first page for my keywords :)

grelmar




msg:1540242
 10:45 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

I like the collapsable fields, and it has a pleasant, soothing color scheme.

They're maintaining good advertising visual real-estate with that image swap near the top (No ads in that section yet, but you just know that's what it's real purpose is - Picture for an article, followed by a picture advertisement that looks like it could be an article...)

The Weather Box remembers your city after you change it. So does yahoo, but I like the format of the one on MSN better. That box on the MSN page needs to come above the fold. (Top right hand corner please - mind, I'm a Canadian, and we're a notoriously weather obsessed breed.) That box should also also look at the location your requesting and give an option for metric. Yahoo fails that test as well. Just because US measurments are still in the middle ages, good websites remember that the majority of the planet isn't.

The Stock Box remembers which stocks you're tracking, and reloads the quotes when you return to the page. One up on Yahoo there.

They should also remember which info boxes you have collapsed.

If they went with an AJAX code base, they'd be able to solve all the compatibility issues and still maintain good functionality.

The layout does need work. It fell apart in FF, but didn't work great in IE either. It turned into one big long column in IE, when I'm pretty sure they want two colums.

The "Green" highlight fields need to be a different color. Its not that the green is too obtrusive, it just clashes with the blue. Green is a good emotional color, so maybe just try a softer shade.

If I get time tonight I think I might start taking screen captures and tracking the progress of the new layout.

My guess is the new home page will be layed out as a part of the Vista timeline. Probably somewhat before vista comes out, and if MS is true to form, there will definitely be features that will simply not work with anything but IE7.

They have months yet to tweak it. What they have now is a good start.

tictoc




msg:1540243
 12:31 am on Dec 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think it looks great. It is very clean and easy to find things like the hotmail link. I hope they goto this soon because its much, much improved from before even if it does look like Yahoo's homepage.

RichTC




msg:1540244
 12:50 am on Dec 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think it looks cr@p.

If they want to COPY another format they should have used Googles rather than Yahoos - A nice simple on its own search box without all the window dressing.

By now looking like Yahoo they offer nothing different imo.

RichTC




msg:1540245
 12:51 am on Dec 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

If i was Yahoo i would look into copyright. Its a mirror of Yahoo.

ByronM




msg:1540246
 2:26 am on Dec 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

i like it.. less messy than the current msn home and it looks like they're really working on modularilizing the content in preperation for IE7 and RSS and content portlets.

subway




msg:1540247
 1:09 pm on Dec 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Results are ok, interface is getting there but I am starting to wonder if anyone at Microsoft can actually design a cool, fast interface that doesn’t appear to have been made by someone who just read chapter one of “Web Design for Dummies”! Bill, sticky me if you want me to make you a cool front end, my fees are reasonable ;-)

trillianjedi




msg:1540248
 11:04 am on Dec 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm seeing dmoz descriptions now on MSN.

Is this new? Sorry, I've been away for a couple of weeks.

TJ

Leosghost




msg:1540249
 11:28 am on Dec 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

Still doesn't layout right in Opera ..( last time I looked with FF has to be about 30 or so days ago ) their algo is not as good as it was then ..this one can be fooled with interlinking domains ABC or even ABCDEFGH etc etc on the same IP!

( just as the page was opening for the first time I swear I saw another layout underneath ( while the first do you want to accept the cookie was loading )..with "make this your homepage" etc at top left ..like a 10th of a second meta refresh to page 2 redirect happened )

cant find it again ..

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