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MSN Update?
MSN Update?

 9:09 pm on Sep 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

It appears to me that there has been another MSN update and alot of the scraper sites and keyword laden domain names are no longer owning the first page of SERPs. Of course this is only in the areas that I follow keywords for. Can anybody else see a huge difference in the SERPs?

MSN is making great strides in the quality of its SERP's and it appears to me that they are indeed listening to what webmasters are telling them!

Thank you for MSN Microsoft!



 6:19 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

The serps have always been good for me since they launched but now they are amazing

If only I could get ranks in Google the way I get on MSN ;P


 8:47 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

"Amazing that we can have such different experiences."

#17 today

I only track stuff in other niches in a ballpark way, but where I look most of the time MSN is the wildest ride by far of the search engines. I can't believe some of these posts complaining they lost and returned to some stable ranking. Pages moving anywhere from #1 to #150 for a search is very common on MSN... or at least very common in a niche where hundreds of new "sites" (and of course far mmore pages) are introduced every day, built on six figures of blog comment links, which MSN gleefully rushes to rank.


 6:24 pm on Oct 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

This MSN update is confusing the hell out of me. I've got a related blog for one of my sites, and those pages are ranking higher for major keywords than the actual site's pages. This is strange because the blog pages often don't even mention the term, and there are very few links to them beyond the one from the main site to the blog's homepage. My main site used to rank on page 1 or 2 for all the big keywords. Now those pages are nowhere to be found (though they are still in the index). What gives?

Robert Charlton

 8:12 pm on Oct 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm guessing that the MSN results since yesterday seem too eratic to stay in place for long.

But I confess to being stunned lately at the downturns in quality at all three of the major SE's, all of which have now dropped out many quality pages across a variety of different kinds of SERP's, seemingly due to various filter tweaks/additions.

On some searches I track, the changes are almost identical to the changes I saw in Yahoo starting in late July... not only messed up, but messed up in the same way, with the same pages shifting in the same patterns, within one or two places of each other. On others, they're way different. I've kept thinking that Yahoo would have fixed its problems by now, but it hasn't. Whither MSN? Maybe it's starting to scrape the Yahoo serps. ;)

Even though MSN doesn't yet bring in any traffic, it would be nice if its results weren't as chaotic as they are right now.


 10:46 pm on Oct 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

bad news if they are scraping Yahoo results ... Yuck! nothing is worse than the closed door search engine at Yahoo.

Does anyone have any observations of this update? Do you think that they are filtering certain things more? I cannot figure out MSN at all.

Robert Charlton

 1:18 am on Oct 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

bad news if they are scraping Yahoo results

I hope it was clear that I was joking about this as a possible reason for the similarity.


 4:28 am on Oct 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

Don't think they have and algo, just taking results from Yahoo and Google and adding some of yahoo banned sites.


 8:48 am on Oct 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

I like MSN search!

#1 for my big target keyword on MSN.
#2-4 on Yahoo and #7 on Google.

Many thanks Mr Gates!


 9:45 am on Oct 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

"I like MSN search! "
me too my page use to be #1 in Goo$$$$glie until bourbon and was vanished like bourbon street after Karina ,now is #1 in MSN .Please Mr Gates why dont you send a Katrina at Google plex ,you got the power.


 9:50 am on Oct 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

PLUS every day more and more referals from MSN (GOD blesh them).Another indication that users got screw up with Google low quality SERPS.


 12:41 pm on Oct 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well I think MSN sux big time. I've noticed popular searches with 4 out of 10 on the first page being the same MSN partner. I wouldn't be suprised if it was deliberate.
I also often see very poor results for very popular searches.
Google still rules by a very large margin.


 7:16 pm on Oct 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

Looks like my main site is suddenly back in the rankings at MSN. It disappeared on Oct. 1 after being on page 1 or 2 for months. Big sigh of relief!


 10:10 pm on Oct 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

Looks like things are improving again to me. :-)


 5:58 am on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

> joking

Robert, everything you say, I take seriously. ;-)

Robert Charlton

 7:25 am on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

> joking

Robert, everything you say, I take seriously. ;-)

That's a hell of a burden to place on a guy this late in the week. ;)


 2:25 pm on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well still after the chnages all I see in money keywords are spam sites with redirect clocking....
it seems MSN do not even try to improve it


 5:08 pm on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I see a lot of that too, Tonmaster. But, I track things pretty closely, and I have to say that I get no better traffic than from MSN. What's "better?" I look at conversion rates, and MSN traffic is far and away superior. Simply a better quality visitor, period. My bottom line loves MSN.


 12:34 am on Oct 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

> burden

Deal with it - price of being brilliant. ;-)

Robert Charlton

 8:00 pm on Oct 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

caveman - Thanks for the kind words. You're no slouch yourself, but I've been known to be wrong. ;)

Back to MSN and Yahoo... while on some searches they're very different, I'm coming across more searches where they're both bringing up the exact same pages of highly-debatable merit that haven't been seen since the Pleistocene. Very curious.

I don't think MSN is scraping Yahoo, but it might be trying out what it perceives Yahoo to be doing just to see how it works for them. I sense that the reason MSN has been jumping around as much as it has is that it's still playing with lots of different things... and that we're stilling seeing a beta. Just a guess.


 10:54 pm on Oct 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

MSN is a mess. I'm seeing the .com and .com.au versions of the same sites in the serps now and on the same page!


 11:10 pm on Oct 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

After a few days of clarity, things have turned very ugly in the UK.


 9:55 am on Oct 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

Now back to normal! :)


 9:45 am on Oct 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

Search results on MSN do not make any sense, it is a very poor search engine & surprising for such a big company - and to think they went on a recent advertising spree touting their new MSN search...

Lets face it, they need a new team to run their search engine department.


 9:45 am on Oct 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

Search results on MSN do not make any sense, it is a very poor search engine & surprising for such a big company - and to think they went on a recent advertising spree touting their new MSN search...

Lets face it, they need a new team to run their search engine department.


 9:53 am on Oct 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

I like the results on MSN, because finaly we have a search engine that does have the same rankings like the other, here you realy see new results and there is no sandbox, so you can also see new site rank.


 10:12 am on Oct 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

Whenever there is a new deal of the cards, some sites will benefit yes.
I would call this a very random shuffle. -Larry


 12:28 pm on Oct 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

I follow MSN closely since it is the majority of my traffic.

The keywords that I follow are always dancing around.


 3:36 pm on Oct 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

MSN loves spam. Want to rank well in MSN, just get a keyword domain, backlink it with paid links and poof, your on the first page.

Be nice if they spent more time tweaking their engine, but I suppose it's low on the list of money making priorities...


 6:47 pm on Oct 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

After the recent G update MSN provides the maximum traffic. It substitutes the visitors which I lost from Google.


 12:03 pm on Oct 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

MSN results for my sites are good. This most recent update seems to have placed my sites high for many reasons ...

1) good incoming links
2) unique content
3) good site structure
4) strait html updated weekly as a minimum
5) nice relaxing colour scheme (oops sorry ego go me there strike last reason)

Now other search engine results on the first page are full of similar products that are

1) descriptions that are obviously copied information do a "this sentance" search and 50+ copies of it are on the net

2) hard to navigate round

3) The MOST APPAULING colour schemes you can imagine

What ever you say about spam and MSN well ... mutliply it by 10 fold and mention the other search engine too.

IMO the results tend to be ok and do flutuate regularly thus .. once at the top you have to work at it to stay there. What more do you want from a search engine?


 2:51 pm on Oct 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

As I am doing my rounds looking at SEs (except Teoma - which is clearly broke and not really worth looking at my site to try and work out if it is something I did wrong.) - This is how I currently see MSN.

I mentioned this earlier in the thread.

If you do a search for Nice little Widget UK - and a page has that exact term - that page is unlikely to appear to highly - you will get pages that contain the words in any order (or so it seems)

If you have a site map with the term Nice Little Widget UK which links to the product page which is optimized as you would expect - eg Title - Nice little etc, H1 - nice little etc - and content based on Nice little widgets sold in the UK - the Sitemap will always seem to outrank the product/content page.

And what is the deal with how many pages are returned - I still get the impression that MSN does not return all pages for a search. We know that a site:domain.com search is pointless as it shows the wrong number.

But picking a sentence from a page which I know MSN has indexed - eg Nice Little Widgets UK - Buy from Widgets R Us can return like 5 results and not the page which I know is indexed - stick the term in quotes to make it a phrase and 80 odd results are returned with the page which that sentence.

Shame - as some people are saying that MSN is a good engine - I just cant see it.

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