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Brett_Tabke

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Msg#: 373 posted 5:42 pm on Feb 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

As was mentioned [webmasterworld.com] in the supporters forum in dec - it appears MSN Rank checking RSS feeds are a reality.

Just look at the http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=webmasterworld [search.msn.com] for the classic orange RSS feed button.

Using RSS browsers such as Opera to monitor keywords has never been easier!

I don't think the ramifications of this are clear yet - but this is huge!

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found one: [webmasterworld.com...]
Danny's blog: [blog.searchenginewatch.com...]
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moltar

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Msg#: 373 posted 7:24 pm on Feb 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

Wow! This is awesome! I wish G did it. Seems like a good idea for Google API application. GAPI2RSS or something...

Liane

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Msg#: 373 posted 7:58 pm on Feb 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

This is a very cool thing for MSN to do ... but I have to ask myself why they are being so helpful? It just doesn't seem to be in their best interest to supply this info and support the concept of rank checking.

Are they really that evolved or is there an ulterior motive? Are they trying to identify SEO types and any requests coming from the site they point to will suddenly nose dive in the SERPS in a few months time?

Sorry, but I can't seem to wrap my mind around this. It just blows me away. I guess I am looking for a conspiracy where there likely isn't one. All the same ....

vabtz



 
Msg#: 373 posted 9:08 pm on Feb 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

why are they being helpful to us?

no big secret there

They are being helpful because they want us to push the MSN Search Engine to our users.

mfishy

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Msg#: 373 posted 9:18 pm on Feb 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

<<why are they being helpful to us?>>

LOL, it's been a long time since google was cool eh?

mykel79

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Msg#: 373 posted 11:25 pm on Feb 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

It's only the first 10 results though, right?

vabtz



 
Msg#: 373 posted 11:27 pm on Feb 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

looks like top 50 to me

tedster

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Msg#: 373 posted 11:35 pm on Feb 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think it depends on how your "settings" are configured at MSN when you click to set up the feed.

physics

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Msg#: 373 posted 11:35 pm on Feb 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think people will use it for more than just rank checking ;)

conor

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Msg#: 373 posted 12:37 am on Feb 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

M$ appealing to users ... amazing ;)

thaedge

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Msg#: 373 posted 5:17 am on Feb 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

mmm I like - nice easy way to monitor things... saves me some legwork thats for sure

skipfactor

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Msg#: 373 posted 6:24 am on Feb 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Damn, now I won't be happy until all 3 SEs are in AmphetaDesk, fresh in the morning, without so much as a click.

Not to mention ad free SERPS :(...:)

eyezshine

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Msg#: 373 posted 8:52 am on Feb 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

They'll get us hooked and then put their ad's on the pages.

christopher w

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Msg#: 373 posted 2:16 pm on Feb 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Very cool - just added it to MyYahoo RSS feed - still use Google for mostly all searches but at least MSN is in the game now ;)

atlrus

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Msg#: 373 posted 2:18 pm on Feb 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

<<Why are they being so helpful?>>

If you can't beat them - join them :)

sean

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Msg#: 373 posted 5:48 pm on Feb 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

<<Why are they being so helpful?>>

Remember when people said Google was just a webmaster's search engine?

eyezshine

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Msg#: 373 posted 11:27 pm on Feb 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

MSN knows the power of people. If they can get us webmasters to like them and help them they will become the more popular engine.

It's simple I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine marketing. Give and it shall be given unto you. It's the way the world works.

When you give wal-mart money they give you stuff.

It is very smart of MSN to help webmasters because of the branding aspect. They know when you use their free tool, you think of them all the time and pretty soon you're thinking of them more than google.

I expect to see even more little tools from MSN that help webmasters in the end.

AcsCh

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Msg#: 373 posted 12:53 am on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hmm.. no offense, but I consider it rather naive, to think M$ would do ANYTHING what is not in their absolute and sole own interest. So "conspiracy" theories might be closer to reality, than "they just want to be nice"..

Might that not too be a good countermeasure to avoid all this huge loads generated by rank checkers as WP? If I get my RSS feed, that's a few bytes a day, if I use some automated rankchecker it's a bit more..

jranes

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Msg#: 373 posted 1:57 am on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

Serps that can be translated into the language of webmaster, a triumph indeed. Huzzah!

mack

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Msg#: 373 posted 2:02 am on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

why are they being so helpful?

Because they may start charging us to use it.

Mack.

Hugene

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Msg#: 373 posted 3:51 am on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

First, there is this little copyright statement :
These XML results may not be used, reproduced or transmitted in any manner or for any purpose other than rendering MSN Search results within an RSS aggregator for your personal, non-commercial use. Any other use of these results requires express written permission from Microsoft Corporation.
They obviously don't want this to be used in a comercial way, but will they be able to police this, hard to say.

My question is (I am not extremely familiar with RSS, so bear with me), can one use this in order to discover important and related keywords for which one's web site doesn't scores well, but similar competitors do?

skipfactor

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Msg#: 373 posted 2:34 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>My question is (I am not extremely familiar with RSS, so bear with me), can one use this in order to discover important and related keywords for which one's web site doesn't scores well, but similar competitors do?

Hugene, it's just a simple way to monitor your rankings. You use an RSS Newsreader [directory.google.com] & add "channels" (SERP URLs) for your favorite keywords/SERPs where you appear.

If the ranking order changes, you get an updated feed (news) that rises to the top of your newsreader and you can glance at the new results without ever performing a query.

>>why are they being so helpful?

It's cool right now, increased exposure, product differentiation, bandwidth/processor conservation (at least with regard to webmasters with OCD--from my observations, most of us have it ;) ), and there's not really a need to develop a gazillion rank-checking tools.

Hugene

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Msg#: 373 posted 11:41 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

I understand that monitoring your ranking for certain keywords by using the RSS feed is simple. What I am wondering if something more usefull can be done with the RSS feeds. I guess this mostly because my rankings stay pretty constant and I am not woried about it. Maybe the RSS feed can be used to discover new keywords, searching trends, user habits etc...

For example, I think one usefull option would be to be able to track all the kewyords for which a particular site appears in the SERPS. That way, if a new search trend is developing, you could jump on the band-wagon.

But from what I understand, I dont think it is possible to get an RSS feed of the search queries for which a certain site appears!

doortodoororganics



 
Msg#: 373 posted 11:50 am on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

"But from what I understand, I dont think it is possible to get an RSS feed of the search queries for which a certain site appears! "

no, but you can read deep in your logs and set up a feed for every search term triggering your site.

Hugene

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Msg#: 373 posted 7:10 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

yeah, that's a good idea. This way, if someone descides to optimize for a keyword for which the are weak, you can monitor your progress and optimisation results live with the RSS feed.

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