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MSN Search - Approaching D-Day
Is Feb 1st the official date?
Imaster




msg:1535283
 7:57 am on Jan 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

As we know, some sources say Feb 1st is the official date for MSN Search launch. If so, can we expect a complete index anytime soon?

 

RichTC




msg:1535343
 12:22 am on Feb 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Great job from MSN, so nice to see results that reflect the search term requested for once. A good quality mix of sites show up in a search engine results and i just love it.

When you compare results with Google i have to say, google is certainly on borrowed time now.

Google needs to update its results with fresh data or sink if you ask me. Search users want the most relevent latest results from all sites not just out of date ones which google is showing.

Pure, Pure Quality from MSN

PhraSEOlogy




msg:1535344
 12:33 am on Feb 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have only two words to describe MSN search...

LOVELY JUBBLY - as Del Boy would say.

I just hope that they dont go messing around with their algo constantly in a 'googlesque' fashion.

HughMungus




msg:1535345
 12:42 am on Feb 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Something MSN does that Google doesn't

This brings up something I was just thinking about -- that search engine results are going to vary from company to company not only because the algorithm is different but because the humans who design the algorithms are prioritizing different things when they design it. Another factor might be business decisions -- search companies might emphasize this kind of result over that kind of result becuase it either makes them better-able to advertise or because they become known for specific types of search results (like the one you mentioned).

houseofsecrets




msg:1535346
 1:18 am on Feb 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

My site ranks well. I know my competitors and MSN ranks them pretty closely to the way I would have done it myself.

That's how I see it. MSN shows a greater sensibility about what users in my kw range are looking for.

houseofsecrets




msg:1535347
 1:45 am on Feb 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Another factor might be business decisions

I'll say ;) I mean, despite the fact that I really like the results, I will say that I have noticed some searches outside my kw range where sites in Google had the #1 position, seemingly by birthright, and are reduced in rank ot even absent in MSN. There is definitely something interesting about the absence of some of the pages that rank well in both G and Y.

syragon




msg:1535348
 2:58 am on Feb 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well I don't know what to say...

I'm top 10 top 5 for hundreds of my phrases but that has done little for my traffic. I get 50x more from Yahoo...

I must say MSN does a very good job of niche searches, compared to Google. Google spits out wads of feces at the sight of a less than popular query. If it gets over 30K searches a month you may be OK with Google.

Also, I see a lot more sites that deserve to be in the SERPS but were removed/banned from Google for link buying. Google made a mistake to ban based off linking schemes I think.

futuresky




msg:1535349
 3:03 am on Feb 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Not too impressed at the moment. Try a search for:

search engine

on msn, google and yahoo. I'd say Yahoo seem to give the best results (a nice result listing, mainly of true search engines come up), followed closely by google and trailed pretty badly by msn which lists a lot of SEO sites but few real search engines in the first 50 results.

OK, so it's just one example but it seems that MSN may be giving top results to hard-line optimisers at the moment.

The question facility is good - but scarey. Not sure I want everyone going off to encarta for all their answers to life, the universe and everything.

kevinpate




msg:1535350
 3:52 am on Feb 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

I don't wish them ill at all, but when i went and looked at msn.com today, I fell over laughing. I was instantly drawn back to the fall political season. Only one thought hit me, and it hit me over and over after seeing his smilin' mug ....
"I'm bill gates and I approved this message"

Still laughing about it and it's been hours and hours now.

2by4




msg:1535351
 3:59 am on Feb 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

"who here has now switched to having MSN search as their homepage"

Don't use search engines for homepage, but I think I'm going to add msn to my search bar in firefox, I'm getting curious, I think higher quality results will start coming in the next few months.

Imaster




msg:1535352
 6:52 am on Feb 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

If MSN wants to win this war, they have to index much more pages than their current 5 billion. Their algo may be good, but its of no use if the pages indexed are less.

Try a search for a movie called "Ocean Tribe" on Google and MSN and you will know what I mean. Though I don't love Google as I used to, I have to admit that they do a better job at finding relevent results. I believe thats purely because they have more number of pages indexed.

I have seen MSN crawl 100% of all my sites, but yet they display only 5% of the pages from all the sites. Same goes for 99.99% of the other sites. Check out your site using site:domain.com command in both Google and MSN and you will know what I mean. Alternatively, try it for your competitor websites too.

I read MSN plans to have a 4 months long aggressive marketing campaign. They could fail to retain the surfers if they really don't think quick about their smaller index. OR perhaps they have plans to roll out 500 million new pages per week for the next four months.

Imaster




msg:1535353
 8:28 am on Feb 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Here is a pretty good article on the new MSN Search: MSN Search roundup [blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com]

Gorilla




msg:1535354
 9:02 am on Feb 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

It seems that the European national variants of the new MSN Search is stuck in a mode where they primarily show sites with IP addresses within that country. No matter how I configure the settings, I can't get out of this mode. I've looked at several countries.

Bug or feature? :)

inbound




msg:1535355
 11:53 am on Feb 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Google picking up more pages? Sure...

Google may have an additional 3 Billion pages but that seems to be a hinderance.

a site: search for a site I am working on shows 166 pages in Google and 43 in MSN. Problem: There are only 43 pages, MSN gets 100% and Google lists robots.txt banned php outbound links (nothing dodgy about them) as pages.

How many of the 8,000,000,000 pages that Google indexes are actually useful? Would we miss half of them? It's only recently than anyone got past 4 billion so MSN starting at 5 billion doesn't seem too bad.

giggle




msg:1535356
 3:55 am on Feb 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

In Bangkok...

skipfactor




msg:1535357
 3:56 am on Feb 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Out of BETA in the SE US too.

I don't go there often so perhaps it's old, but I have a new look for msn.com.

BuzzBomb




msg:1535358
 4:17 am on Feb 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

New msn homepage as well as beta dropped here in Oregon too.

I like their stuff, looks clean and pre florida!

MLHmptn




msg:1535359
 5:29 am on Feb 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yahoo!.....er.....MSNHOO! :>~

Can't wait to start seeing the advertising on tv, radio, web, etc. Hopefully MSN takes a huge chunk of Google's client base within the coming months!

Be nice to see it get some headlines tomorrow on CNN, Headline News, etc.

Bring the heat MSN! I love you long time!

coconutz




msg:1535360
 8:06 am on Feb 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

I am proud and excited to announce that MSN Search is now officially launched. [blogs.msdn.com]

Christopher Payne
Corporate VP, MSN Search

Introducing the new more precise, more powerful MSN Search
[imagine-msn.com...]

giggle




msg:1535361
 8:20 am on Feb 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

It may be live, but when you search from the new home page it still links to [beta.search.msn.com...] Maybe they're not so confident with the results yet?

steveb




msg:1535362
 8:39 am on Feb 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

"more precise"? LOL

Interesting spin on the stupid geolocation idea.

rj87uk




msg:1535363
 8:59 am on Feb 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

I still think the home page takes too long to load...

airpal




msg:1535364
 5:05 pm on Feb 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Wow... they have:
Desktop Search,
Email Search,
Local Search.
Music Search,
Image Search,
News Search.

(Many of which actually function quite well.)

In order to catch up, Google might want to start updating their engine to include sites made in 2004. Or is that too hard for them to handle?!

xcomm




msg:1535365
 10:09 pm on Feb 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

moved it to the geoip track...
[webmasterworld.com...]
- sorry

ichthyous




msg:1535366
 3:12 pm on Feb 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have a lot of pages indexed and rank fairly well on importants keywords...still no traffic from MSN. I was expecting as much as I used to get from Yahoo, and it's been nowhere near that.

gamiziuk




msg:1535367
 11:07 pm on Feb 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well it must be official. I just saw a commercial promoting the new MSN Search on the television.

"I am SciFi"

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