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MSN Search - Approaching D-Day
Is Feb 1st the official date?
Imaster

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Msg#: 347 posted 7:57 am on Jan 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

As we know, some sources say Feb 1st is the official date for MSN Search launch. If so, can we expect a complete index anytime soon?

 

syber

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Msg#: 347 posted 12:50 am on Feb 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Never underestimate Microsoft. Remember IE 1.0? It was total trash. By version 3.0 they had knocked off Netscape. They have the resources and the right company culture to take on Google. It should be interesting to watch.

Imaster

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Msg#: 347 posted 8:42 am on Feb 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Here's a letter from Bill Gates,

[specials.msn.com...]

[edited by: Imaster at 9:39 am (utc) on Feb. 1, 2005]

steveb

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Msg#: 347 posted 8:47 am on Feb 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Smiles all over the place today at the Googleplex. I wish my competitors would be as nice to me as Google's are.

grelmar

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Msg#: 347 posted 9:01 am on Feb 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Something MSN does that Google doesn't:

type the following question into both Search Engines:

what is the population of Fredericton

MSN gives an answer.

Google gives links to irrelevant pages.

For the "Aunt Tilly-s" of the world, this is a BIG advantage for MSN.

Their SERPS are less than stellar, given, but natural language questioning is something AskJeeves tackled ages ago, maybe a bit ahead of the technology to do it properly, and it gave them a foothold in the Search Engine world they have yet to relinquish.

Things like natural language questions with actual responses.... That's the kind of thing MSN can do to set themselves apart... An potentially set themselves ahead.

Also, they're tying results from Encarta into the queries. Another thing that Google is missing out on.

Natural language queries with answers... Ability to query a well known Encyclopedia (and don't bother mentioning Wikipedia... The "Aunt Tilly-s" out there don't even know it exists.)

"Aunt Tilly" - That's MSN's target market. That's a market they know and have a proven ability to dominate.

Don't underestimate it.

*Exchange "Fredericton" with the city name of your choice.

Imaster

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Msg#: 347 posted 9:47 am on Feb 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

[search.msn.com...]

MSN Encarta Free Pass
Open the door to a world of knowledge! MSN Search is now offering two hours of free access to the MSN Encarta encyclopedia whenever you click an Encarta link from MSN Search.

When your two-hour free pass expires, you can return to MSN Search, run another search or click an Encarta link. Your two-hour free pass is instantly renewable whenever you click an Encarta link from MSN Search.


petehall

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Msg#: 347 posted 10:01 am on Feb 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Smiles all over the place today at the Googleplex. I wish my competitors would be as nice to me as Google's are.

You say that but I had to resort to using MSN to find a very niche site (car club in the UK) that I knew existed.

I did struggle with Google for at least 5-10 mins but had to give up.

I went straight to MSN.co.uk and hey presto, they rank the site no1 where it deserves to be.

As much as I love Google if this becomes a more frequent event I can't see me returning there as often as I do currently.

BeeDeeDubbleU

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Msg#: 347 posted 10:33 am on Feb 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

What were they showing us in the results from the beta version@ My results there were terrible but I figured that there would have been little point in trying to improve them until the launch. I check today after the launch and all of a sudden all of my sites are bang at the top of the rankings!

Thank you Bill Gates :)

If they do start to steal some of Google's traffic and the results are stable I'm booking two holidays this year!

Imaster

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Msg#: 347 posted 11:01 am on Feb 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

I see an increase in the referrals from MSN today and I believe its going to improve for me.

trillianjedi

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Msg#: 347 posted 11:41 am on Feb 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Forgetting Webmastering for a moment who here has now switched to having MSN search as their homepage (where it was formally G. or another engine)?

TJ

petehall

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Msg#: 347 posted 12:19 pm on Feb 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Forgetting Webmastering for a moment who here has now switched to having MSN search as their homepage (where it was formally G. or another engine)?

I have just done that this morning!

I want to use the search engine as much as possible over the next few weeks and see how often I have to return to G.

excell

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Msg#: 347 posted 12:36 pm on Feb 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

I am more happy with the msn results...they are much much fresher than google's.

They seem to be able index & rank the sites more appropriately at this time.

I am in AU - and they are doing a good job on local.

cleanup

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Msg#: 347 posted 12:43 pm on Feb 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Excell,
Where are you looking .au or .com?

hughie

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Msg#: 347 posted 12:47 pm on Feb 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have some sites sitting pretty and some not. Seems they have still not fixed the location problem as several of my UK .com's are lost in the void on UK only search.

another annoying thing is when i type "mysite" in. my website is position 8 (was 20 odd in full BETA) and sites which link to me are listed 1-7.

Surely this is a glitch or does it show less importance on the link content?

Hughie

Sanenet

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Msg#: 347 posted 12:51 pm on Feb 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm interested in the "graphic equalisers" - they've got the possibility to throw a pretty big spanner into the SEOs job!

[search.msn.com...]

excell

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Msg#: 347 posted 12:51 pm on Feb 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

cleanup - currently looking deeply on ninemsn.com.au for world & Au only...

I believe the results are slightly different from msn for world.

Strong results coming through stats across all sectors for sights on both msn & ninemsn

Monitoring around 40 sites and all seeing good benefits from both ninemsn & msn.

excell

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Msg#: 347 posted 12:57 pm on Feb 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Sanenet - I don't know how you are seeing that, but it appears to be a pretty clunky tool to use at this stage.

amznVibe

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Msg#: 347 posted 1:39 pm on Feb 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Bracing myself for all the mainstream magazines to start doing search engine shoot-offs between MSN, Google & Yahoo (and various others).

phantombookman

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Msg#: 347 posted 3:31 pm on Feb 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Bracing myself for all the mainstream magazines to start doing search engine shoot-offs between MSN, Google & Yahoo (and various others).

That will indeed be interesting but in my area Google will walk it - and easily!

phantombookman

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Msg#: 347 posted 3:34 pm on Feb 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

slightly OT but have just gone to msn.com and IE blocked a pop up!
how ironic

flashfan

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Msg#: 347 posted 4:09 pm on Feb 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

That's why we're proud of our new MSN Search service, a simple and powerful tool that helps you find the answers you want from sources as diverse as Web pages, images, news headlines, music downloads, and even files on your PC.

Bill drawed the big picture. But I am scared by his word "even files on your PC".

vitaplease

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Msg#: 347 posted 5:57 pm on Feb 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

[business.timesonline.co.uk...]

But listing a full page of Google links must count as a blunder in the software giant's campaign for web-domination.

Chndru

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Msg#: 347 posted 9:10 pm on Feb 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

The result begged the question: "Why bother with MSN in the first place?"

hmm.. nice one vitaplease.

Rugles

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Msg#: 347 posted 9:38 pm on Feb 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

My msn traffic is up today. My rankings are really good, slightly better that google.
However, I am thinking that the increase in traffic from msn today could be the result of all the press, and people checking it out.

So the big question for Mr. Gates, will people continue to use his service after they try it out this week.

SeventiesMartin

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Msg#: 347 posted 10:34 pm on Feb 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm in the UK.

When I search on MSN.com I get taken to [beta.search.msn.com...]

Is it being backed out due a problem or something. At least I'm not directed to msn.co.uk anymore.

SeventiesMartin

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Msg#: 347 posted 11:06 pm on Feb 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

I also keep this when I searh on msn.com

Object Moved
This document may be found here

The "here" is a link, except it isn't cos you don't go anywhere.

2by4

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Msg#: 347 posted 11:09 pm on Feb 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

" Have to feel sorry for the msn search guys. Worst search product launch probably ever. The bean counters must have won, figuring having their own product now will lead to greater revenue. If they don't dramatically improve it soon, I doubt anyone will even care about this forum by the end of the year since all it is now is the butt of water cooler jokes: "Look at this msn result!"."

My msn traffic has dropped to close to zero since beta went live, even with top rankings in what I thought would be total traffic generators, oh well.... some users seem to agree with steveb's assessment.

SeventiesMartin

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Msg#: 347 posted 11:37 pm on Feb 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yes, I'm just not getting the visitors I would expect if msn had really gone live. Just not getting the visitors on some keywords that I would expect, by a long way.

Actually, I did start to get what I would expect early today, but they it just seems to have trailed off.

esllou

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Msg#: 347 posted 11:40 pm on Feb 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Is Midnight Feb 1, midnight as in when it ticks over from 31st January to Geb 1st, or midnight when it ticks from from 1st Feb to 2nd Feb.
Which day does midnight belong to.

technically it goes

23.59:59
00.00:00
00.00:01

so midnight is at the beginning of a day, not at the end.....hence my pet peeve also by those publications, info leaflets, etc that insist the time 24:00 exists when it quite clearly doesn't and can't.

houseofsecrets

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Msg#: 347 posted 12:00 am on Feb 2, 2005 (gmt 0)


Forgetting Webmastering for a moment who here has now switched to having MSN search as their homepage (where it was formally G. or another engine)?

I have.

TonyMc

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Msg#: 347 posted 12:12 am on Feb 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

I switched my homepage as well.

My site ranks well. I know my competitors and MSN ranks them pretty closely to the way I would have done it myself. Google seems to like the "auction", "shopping" and "comparison" sites. Their results in my niche are complete trash. It's refreshing to see something even close to reasonable results. I'm tired of the "Google Game".

RichTC

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Msg#: 347 posted 12:22 am on Feb 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Great job from MSN, so nice to see results that reflect the search term requested for once. A good quality mix of sites show up in a search engine results and i just love it.

When you compare results with Google i have to say, google is certainly on borrowed time now.

Google needs to update its results with fresh data or sink if you ask me. Search users want the most relevent latest results from all sites not just out of date ones which google is showing.

Pure, Pure Quality from MSN

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