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New MSN Search is LIVE
We are seeing a rollout of MSN new search
drdsl2000




msg:1538029
 3:20 pm on Jan 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

continued from: [webmasterworld.com...]


It looks like it might be tied into their lateset Windows update.

Results look very good so far, Look out Google!

AND THERE WAS THREE

The Dr

 

osfp




msg:1538149
 4:58 am on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

"And yes the results look good"
LOL i can't believe it ,that people find that mess as good results ,if was'nt against the TOS i could give you 1000 search terms and if you find the results relative i'll cut my neck,lets hope that because this is a beta ,there will be changes in the near future.The good news are that pages that where baned (from Yahoo...ligans)are back full indexed in the new MSN.

dvduval




msg:1538150
 5:03 am on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

1000 out of a billion wouldn't be bad. I can do likewise with Google or Yahoo.

The new MSN is way better than we were seeing a year ago, and way fresher than Yahoo. In most cases, it is even fresher than Google. We just need to watch it. It will take time before we understand this great new addition to the web.

larryhatch




msg:1538151
 5:12 am on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm seeing the new (beta) results no matter how I crawl into MSN search now.
I can't see the old Y-generated stuff at all any more.
I live in Northern California. - Larry

McMohan




msg:1538152
 6:48 am on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Seeing here from Bangalore/India too now. Wasn't live atleast till few hours back.

Mc

2by4




msg:1538153
 7:17 am on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm finally seeing the beta in msn now too, first time, took long enough, guess the little bird was right this time, that's nice to see.

Now if only they'd stuck with the results from a few weeks ago, oh well... but have some nice high rankings on a few sites, lost others, but I've never really gotten much msn traffic anyway, a bit, but not a lot. We'll see.

It is important to keep in mind that these results are good enough for the current msn users, in other words, almost nobody who uses or reads this forum. Not good enough to get users to switch, but they don't need that yet I guess, work the bugs out, get it better, then later start really going for google, maybe even go for a big google client like AOL, after all, MS and Google made up, sort of anyway, maybe MS will decide to just undercut the aol contract, that would be a good place to start once the serps get better.

MLHmptn




msg:1538154
 7:48 am on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Now hopefully we'll see the commercials, magazine ads, news reports and all that come out of the woodwork! Use precisely what Google does not use to market their search engine and gain some market share immediately or at the least let the general public know msn has been improved.

Now the only thing I'm looking forward to is Google and it's announcement that they have eliminated the sandbox and 301 highjacking or that they now have 16,000,000,000 websites in their index or some crap.

Bring the Heat MSN! Google deserves it!

Freedom




msg:1538155
 8:28 am on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

As soon as MSN make's it's announcement, Google will make an announcment about something and Yahoo will make a announcement about something.

There is a viscious press release war going on and neither search engine wants the other to steal the headlines.

Look at last year, everytime Yahoo released something, Google came in with a surprise announcement of their own. And Vice Versa.

1milehgh80210




msg:1538156
 8:36 am on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

"...I'm looking forward to is Google and it's announcement that they have eliminated the sandbox and 301 highjacking or that they now have 16,000,000,000 websites in their index or some crap."

ha, they'll never admit to eliminating something they never admitted to having!

grelmar




msg:1538157
 9:22 am on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Been seeing the MSN Beta results off msn.com all day now up here (Western Canada) - All browsers. Wasn't there yesterday.

msndude popped up in another thread [webmasterworld.com] to talk about something else (specifically, how MSN is treating META). Mainly noteworthy in that I haven't seen him around in a while.

Are we all that far away from an official announcement now?

mat




msg:1538158
 9:32 am on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

This feels like the Eurovision Song Contest ...

... and now it's over to Italy for their votes ... and yes, msn.com showing new stuff from here. IE and Firefox.

larryhatch




msg:1538159
 10:15 am on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

There are a few MSN servers/data centers(?) still showing Yahoo results, but those are evaporating.

One showed my main page in position 16 for main keyword.
Another had me at #52.

Then back to MSN Beta, where my site is #3! (yay!)

xcandyman




msg:1538160
 10:24 am on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Anyone seeing this on any regional addresses? I'm seeing it on .com but not on .co.uk

nzmatt




msg:1538161
 10:37 am on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

I see it on .com but it's not on .co.nz (new zealand) yet...

energylevel




msg:1538162
 10:50 am on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

xcandyman ... I'm still seeing the Yahoo results on msn.co.uk like you ....

sem4u




msg:1538163
 11:13 am on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

From the UK I am seeing the new beta results on .com but not on .co.uk

jaffstar




msg:1538164
 1:19 pm on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have jumped into a about 11 for a competitive keyword that I am optimizing for. I am nowhwere on Google (sandbox) and about 130 on Yahoo.

The new MSN rules....:)

rj87uk




msg:1538165
 1:53 pm on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

I cant see it anymore on .co.uk or .com but i was seeing it when it first changed...

TrustNo1




msg:1538166
 2:03 pm on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Google and Yahoo are thanking MSN right now. Downgrading their search. Nothing like competition taking themselves out. No matter how your sites are doing in MSN, after awhile people will notice and move on over to Google or Yahoo. WebmasterWorld should chart the migration. What percentage are using MSN now and then look at it a year from now. Watch the downward spiral. Google, Yahoo, INK, even Teoma/Ask Jeeves still providing better results.

makemetop




msg:1538167
 3:15 pm on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Interesting to see that MSN are already offering the top PPC spots through their own advertising [advertising.msn.com...] on the new search. Minimum budget $75K - not seen this before (though I haven't looked) - but they are already running. Instead of the Overture tracking code appearing when you hover over a sponsored listing, you see a ads.msn.com tracking URL.

ebound




msg:1538168
 4:03 pm on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Minimum budget $75K - not seen this before

I'm pretty sure they've had this for a while now.

I'm a little disappointed so far in the volume new MSN is providing. I have a top rank in some highly competitive keywords and the results thus far are WEAK.

eddy22




msg:1538169
 4:43 pm on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think the msn results are fabulous.

Msn is finally on it's own ( dropping yahoo search).

They have done a good job.

I wish msn a great future ...

eddy

dvduval




msg:1538170
 4:48 pm on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

There seems to be a polarity between lovers and haters of the new MSN. Regardless, Microsoft will be starting an unprecedented media blitz in February. I think everyone should pay careful attention to this new engine, and learn how to optimize for it. It doesn't matter whether you like it or not (but I do). ;)

TrustNo1




msg:1538171
 5:22 pm on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

No amount of media blitz is going to help the relevancy (lack of) of what i'm seeing.

"Msn is finally on it's own ( dropping yahoo search)."

When they stop using Yahoo owned Overture, then they will be on their own. So June/July 2006 at the earliest.

grelmar




msg:1538172
 5:24 pm on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

As for the quality of results overall... I'm not going to offer an opinion.

But I like the new msn search because of the following from my referer logs:
http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?FORM=MSNH&q=insert keywords

Speckled through my results from the past 24 hours.

Call me easy to please ;)

Kangol




msg:1538173
 5:38 pm on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

O still see lots of spamm on competitive kewords. Search engines will never be able to deal with spam.

webhound




msg:1538174
 6:19 pm on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

I doubt that anyone knows, but my only question at this point is, is this simply a test they are running, for load balancing and other technical issues, or are we looking at them making this permentantly live?

Seems odd if they were going to be making this permenant that the beta link is still up on the msn.com homepage and that it still says beta in the search window. Also the graphical interface still looks...undone?

Any info out there?

phantombookman




msg:1538175
 6:53 pm on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

MSN beta seems to lack depth and stability from what I see, they seem to be able to get the top 3 or so matches OK but then the rest seem almost of random/little relevance.

There are still a lot of sites missing in my area, so presumably in other areas too, until they appear it is almost a waste of time theorising.
Selfishly speaking I think it is great because all my sites are #1 for their key searches, problem is they should not be!
Early days yet

bwelford




msg:1538176
 7:08 pm on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Here in Canada, I'm seeing Overture tracking code for sponsored listings for a number of different SERP's that I checked.

Tigrou




msg:1538177
 7:34 pm on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

TrustNo1 -
Google and Yahoo are thanking MSN right now. Downgrading their search. Nothing like competition taking themselves out. No matter how your sites are doing in MSN, after awhile people will notice and move on over to Google or Yahoo. WebmasterWorld should chart the migration. What percentage are using MSN now and then look at it a year from now. Watch the downward spiral. Google, Yahoo, INK, even Teoma/Ask Jeeves still providing better results.

Are you joking? I assume so but I honestly can't tell. You must admit though G simply isn't usable for short keywords unless you like directory sites and spam. For longer phrases it is better though (for now).

Yahoo is (for now) the best of all three, but that's not saying a lot. It has major problems as well.

Anyway, unless Google and Yahoo are incredibly arrogant they wouldn't ignore the threat. Oh wait look who we are talking about -- you're probably right.

I mean the former is a company that has downgraded their own service dramatically to maximize their own profits while their opposition is weak. I mean how does an SE deny most new sites for a year AND still have craploads of spam? Really.

The later charges $300 for a CHANCE to enter their directory. Really.

I actually hope you're right TrustNo1. That will give MSN a chance to market unhindered for a month. Then Yahoo and Google will be forced to make themselves more consumer friendly to fight back. Consumers and webmasters can only win from that.

Quote 2: from Kangol (not webhound :-)
O still see lots of spamm on competitive kewords. Search engines will never be able to deal with spam.

You know Kangol, you're probably right, just a matter of which SE deals BEST with spam. (thanks for the catch webhound)

Best,
CF

[edited by: Tigrou at 8:02 pm (utc) on Jan. 18, 2005]

webhound




msg:1538178
 7:40 pm on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Tigrou, while I agree with the quote your quoting me as saying, that wasn't me. Spamm is spelt SPAM. :-)

Again, I ask if anyone has any idea if this is a test or the real deal. (permanent)

2by4




msg:1538179
 8:22 pm on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

"The latter [yahoo] charges $300 for a CHANCE to enter their directory. Really."

I don't know, one of my sites gets consistent top 10s, often number ones, for keywords between 5-20+ million on yahoo, I think yahoo decided it was an authority site or something. Of course, valuable lesson, just because you rank number one for 8 million results doesn't mean you get much traffic from that.

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