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MSN Search Expands it's Reach
Will be Integrated into MSN IM
martinibuster

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Msg#: 278 posted 3:24 am on Dec 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

According to this article [seattlepi.nwsource.com], the beta version of their next IM product includes a small box off to the side where a search function that spawns a browser window will reside.

The next iteration isn't going live though until next year (I believe), but it should help bring more eyeballs to MSN Search.

Good move.

 

steveb

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Msg#: 278 posted 7:51 am on Dec 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

Not a surprising step to have in place for when the engine is ready next year.

I guess the Seattle PI got the jump on the ballyhooed official announcement today.

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Msg#: 278 posted 8:32 am on Dec 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

Not much of a surprise but if it brings more people to use the new MSN search then I will be happy.

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Msg#: 278 posted 4:25 pm on Dec 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>>I guess the Seattle PI got the jump

hehe, the dateline said, December 13th, even though it was still the twelfth on the West Coast and in Seattle.

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Msg#: 278 posted 5:45 pm on Dec 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

I've been using MSN Messenger 7 for a month or so now, and I hadn't really even noticed the search box...

I doubt it will make much impact to be honest - I definitely don't go to my MSN window with the intention of searching the web.

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Msg#: 278 posted 6:37 pm on Dec 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

I've been using MSN Messenger 7 for a month or so now, and I hadn't really even noticed the search box...

Same here. Even Yahoo has it. No biggie.

Filipe

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Msg#: 278 posted 7:17 pm on Dec 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

Better MSN than built into your "Start Menu". But then, Longhorn's a way's off...

Hugene

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Msg#: 278 posted 8:57 pm on Dec 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

Funny, this move sounds familiar, and was to be anticipated. What next in the move for convergence? After msn search in Longhorn, they migth also replace IE with the crappy msn browser, and prevent the installation of other browser on win

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Msg#: 278 posted 9:50 pm on Dec 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

and so it starts...
I predict that MS is the #1 search engine by mid 2007.
and 35% of searches will be preformed from MS products..

remember folks...you heard it here first!

emaxhealth



 
Msg#: 278 posted 11:22 pm on Dec 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

Does anyone know when MSN will release its new Search?

Thank you

Elixir

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Msg#: 278 posted 12:04 am on Dec 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

The results were still the Yahoo results though not the MSN Beta results. I got all excited as some of our sites are doing really well in the beta only to see the same results as Yahoo still. Hurry up Microsoft we are tired of bashing Google need a new hobby.

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Msg#: 278 posted 12:28 am on Dec 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

Search Engine Strategies kicked off in Chicago today it would be a good time to make a move with such a huge selection of the Internet Marketers in one spot it would certainly create a stir and give them some great publicity.

MLHmptn

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Msg#: 278 posted 6:35 am on Dec 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

and so it starts...
I predict that MS is the #1 search engine by mid 2007.
and 35% of searches will be preformed from MS products..
remember folks...you heard it here first!

Hopefully it won't take that long!

Die Google Die!

IMHO Google doesn't listen to webmasters nor do they seem to think much about the general public that utilizes their search engine anymore! Their full efforts are on adwords and adsense. Nothing more nothing less!

Concentrate your efforts on your IPO Google and HASTA LA VISTA baby!

JonB

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Msg#: 278 posted 10:41 am on Dec 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

generally i agree with HLHmptn . google has been let down for me for a longer time now and it is just geting worse. (from SEO and searchers point) .When you have a site that is #1 on major SE (yahoo returns almost 9 million results on this term) on certain term plus many other and your site is nowhereto be found on google results (not punished site) then it sucks. i think for soem time now that googles ranking system has becoem obsolete in these times - they are just tweaking it. Also got me a new site and is still not listed in goglle while listed in all other SEs and getting results . Also last time there was some controversy with China and some filtering and guess what you find when you search for Lynndie England images in google.com(not chinese)? ZERO,nada..I understand China but USA?whats up with that google?

I am happy to see competion to end googles absolute power they had several years now.

adsense and adwords are cool though as MLHmptn said.

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Msg#: 278 posted 3:56 pm on Dec 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

Die Google Die!
IMHO Google doesn't listen to webmasters nor do they seem to think much about the general public that utilizes their search engine anymore! Their full efforts are on adwords and adsense. Nothing more nothing less!

Yep, thats my impression too. Since Google kicked us webmasters out with the sandbox and filters to boost Adwords - they have all but lost their huge webmaster following. A year ago I would be telling our 100+ client/companies to stick to Google because of their quality. Now, I say to them "Try MSN its improving".

I doubt it will make much impact

This is just the beginning. Extrapolate this into everything Microsoft on your computer, then double it.
Now if Google hadn't alienated the webmasters we'd be telling everyone to use Google.

HyperGeek

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Msg#: 278 posted 4:29 pm on Dec 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

Google's done for. Period. They're the next AltaVista, and even worse than AV, they've given the one user group that made them a large slap in the face.

I even removed all Google related search bars from my computers last week. It used to be default, along with the installed toolbar. Now, it's non-existant within our company.

Their PPC services yield way less ROI than Overture for many of the things that we place ads for, so I consider them useless these days.

Yahoo! is king again (I would have never thought that they'd yield more valid results than Google) - and MSN is going to be a close second until Longhorn is released, which will no doubt make them #1 when the integrate the MSN search into MSOffice, Windows, etc.

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Msg#: 278 posted 7:20 pm on Dec 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

the seach in MSN Beta is geo specific as far as countries go. If you are in UK, it gives MSN UK results. If in India it gives MSN India results.

eurotrash

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Msg#: 278 posted 9:30 pm on Dec 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

MSFT have some videos online of the new search offerings on channel9:

[channel9.msdn.com...]

"The Toolbar Suite team took some time out of their busy schedule last week and here they answer a ton of questions about the team and the product. Here the Silicon Valley team demonstrates the new MSN Toolbar Suite and answers Channel 9's questions."

Namaste

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Msg#: 278 posted 10:02 pm on Dec 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

wow, this thread demonstrates just how low interest is in MSN Search...hardly any comments despite being posted in headlines!

northweb

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Msg#: 278 posted 10:10 pm on Dec 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Once msn beta goes live then it will hit the headlines. remember how quick AV and Hotbot dropped off.

tictoc

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Msg#: 278 posted 11:57 pm on Dec 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

MSN Needs to come up with something like Adsense.

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Msg#: 278 posted 4:37 am on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

MSN Needs to come up with something like Adsense.

I understand they plan to.

dvduval

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Msg#: 278 posted 4:39 am on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

I understand they plan to.

Please elaborate.

annej

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Msg#: 278 posted 5:09 am on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well I just searched some old AdSense messages and realize that it's simply been that many on AdSense have speculated that MSN would get into something that would compete with AdSense. They have been speculating on it for so long I thought it was really going to happen. But sadly it appears to only exist in the minds of some members of the AdSense forum.

dvduval

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Msg#: 278 posted 5:12 am on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well I just searched some old AdSense messages and realize that it's simply been that many on AdSense have speculated that MSN would get into something that would compete with AdSense. They have been speculating on it for so long I thought it was really going to happen. But sadly it appears to only exist in the minds of some members of the AdSense forum.

Well, we can continue to hope that a big player will challenge google in this area. I'm happy with Adsense, but I think competition is good (especially for us).

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Msg#: 278 posted 5:21 am on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

It's not going to be as easy for MSFT to blow Google off the map as it has been for the numerous other companies MSFT has tackled.

Search is a different business. With office products, the more people that use them, the more valuable it is for the next person looking for an office suite to buy the same one as everyone else so they can essentially "join the community".

A pure search/advertising network doesn't work that way unless they can get the network effect going. Amazon's A9 or something like it may have more potential in the long run than the current mass market players, cause right now they are just search engines. They are brands and a brand can fall out of favor overnight. If search and commerce becomes a community that grows more valuable with each additional community member, the first company to build that may build a sustainable network with a true barrier to entry that can't be beaten with pure technology and good buzz/PR. Ebay was firt to build the critical mass auction site and no one has yet been able to provide a real challenge. We'll see if OSTK can make a dent.

MSFT makes a ton of its money from Office/Windows. What if Google came out with an office suite that resided on Google servers that could import MS Office files? Use the MSFT strategy and make it free to start - go for the throat, the heart of the MSFT revenue stream. You wouldn't have to store docs on your computer and you wouldn't have office taking up tons of space on your hard drive. No more lost files, easily access all your docs from anywhere even if you forget your laptop.

What if Google served as an ASP (affiliate style for the revenue) for most programs and instead of your desktop you could just login to Google, would you even need Windows anymore? Those "thin" PCs that Oracle predicted in the 90s might actually materialize and replace the loaded PC for business folks.

There is going to be an epic battle of the titans over the next few years that MSFT might not win. The only sure thing is that as more commerce moves online, the advertisers are going to foot more and more of the bill for this battle since there are only so many keyword slots available.

Google has money, they've got brilliant brains, great biz strategy so far & they're probably here to stay. Who knows what will happen to Yahoo?

MLHmptn

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Msg#: 278 posted 5:31 am on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Honestly I hope they never do it! Nor Yahoo!

I would like to see all the search egines put a filter on sites that utilize Google's adsense. Adsense is google spam thats not any different than banner exchanges of the past, but it comes with a healthy cost! Sure your making profits from it but what are you doing to small business? If your small business your cutting your own throat!

Think about the day when every click costs $5 or more because the big guys start paying that!? Will small business be able to stay alive? I think not!

Adsense followers : Support it as you will.

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Msg#: 278 posted 6:22 pm on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Adsense is google spam thats not any different than banner exchanges of the past

I have a true content site on a history topic. (since 98) It's what I thought adsense wanted. But my earnings have gone down in the last few months. I believe trash adsense sites are causing people to ignore adwords. They are also causing a lot of advertizers to turn off the content aspect.

Some competition from MSN might help stop this trend. I'd like to find a program that really accepts only quality sites. But it still needs to be broad reaching in the products it sells. Right now adsense delivers a good variety of ads for my topic. Simular programs don't have the ad pool needed. MSN might have the reputation and reach to attract advertizers in all topics.

MLHmptn

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Msg#: 278 posted 10:36 pm on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

It's also unbelievable as to how many sites have been made just to make a profit from adsense! Over the last few months I have been witnessing quite a large number of sites that have no content whatsoever on their pages. All they do is put adsense ads on their front page with nothing else! The worst part is they are dominating the top search engine positions on Google as well. If this is not spam I don't know what is! Google is doing exactly what they told us webmasters not to do! Spam their results!

MLHmptn

dvduval

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Msg#: 278 posted 10:56 pm on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Think about the day when every click costs $5 or more because the big guys start paying that!? Will small business be able to stay alive? I think not!

The web is full of niches, and the age of captive audiences as we knew it is over, because the market is much for fragemented (or segmented).

Ex. Skaters in Boston, Halo gamers in India, Kia moders in Brooklyn

So I really don't think the big guys stand a chance.

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