| 2:39 am on Dec 11, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Yusuf Mehdi would be the one... I think you may be right. I hope so...
| 10:36 pm on Dec 11, 2004 (gmt 0)|
looks like it could.
|Mehdi oversees the global strategy, design, development, programming and marketing of Microsoft's information services such as MSNģ Search |
| 2:23 am on Dec 12, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I'd be shocked if MSN would quit using Ink SERPs this soon. To quote what Brett posted in this forum just 8 days ago:
"That is what the tag "beta" is on it for.
"You know the old rub on Microsoft right? It takes 3 versions to get it right. This is version 1."
Why would MSN use lousy version 1 beta SERPs at this point?
| 4:06 am on Dec 12, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Probably an announcement about their new desktop search application. But I'm hoping it includes info about releasing the search beta as well.
| 4:14 am on Dec 12, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|Why would MSN use lousy version 1 beta SERPs at this point? |
Simply, because they are far better than their current SERPs. :)
| 4:26 am on Dec 12, 2004 (gmt 0)|
>Simply, because they are far better than their current SERPs.
What are you smoking?
| 4:57 am on Dec 12, 2004 (gmt 0)|
The peace pipe...
Come on, MSN Beta is clearly far superior to the current Inktomi/Yahoo dribble!
| 5:43 am on Dec 12, 2004 (gmt 0)|
>Come on, MSN Beta is clearly far superior to the current Inktomi/Yahoo dribble!
[rfgdxm picks himself off the floor after recovering from laughing enough to reply to the above post.] Inktomi/Yahoo is so much better than the MSN beta it is ridiculous. Try running a dozen or so totally non-commercial and non-competitive searches through both. The MSN beta can't figure out the authorative sites. They are all on top on not only Inktomi/Yahoo, but also Google. The MSN beta ain't ready for prime time, but I expect it to take 3 versions to get it right.
[edited by: rfgdxm1 at 5:50 am (utc) on Dec. 12, 2004]
| 5:46 am on Dec 12, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Who cares about "totally non-commercial and non-competitive searches"? ;)
| 5:55 am on Dec 12, 2004 (gmt 0)|
>Who cares about "totally non-commercial and non-competitive searches"?
Most people on the Internet. Of course if you are running a commercial site, you can get good placement via PPC. And SEs have an incentive to rank commercial sites low so they pay for PPC. ;)
| 6:02 am on Dec 12, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Yes, itís a hard road for anyone running a commercial site. Particularly if itís new, as Google and the ODP seem to run a mile these days (with their systemic internal conflict of interests) while Yahoo! and Overture just seem to get more expensive!
BTW, people do use the internet as a tool to buy and sell things too!
| 6:06 am on Dec 12, 2004 (gmt 0)|
>BTW, people do use the internet as a tool to buy and sell things too!
Absolutely. And if you are selling, get out your checkbook and pay the SEs for hits.
| 6:09 am on Dec 12, 2004 (gmt 0)|
True, but I still think they should provide the user with an impartial listing of the most relevant results.
Like, for example, MSN Beta!
| 6:24 am on Dec 12, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Roll it out. The results are no worse than the current pap at Y or G and at least there will be a third player.
If MSN would consider site-wide PFI they would make a killing.
| 8:34 am on Dec 12, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I agree with you guys that want the new MSN to roll out, it isn`t any worse then the other Ink or Google.
| 8:47 am on Dec 12, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I believe a person has to be smoking opium to genuinely believe that, but even if you do the slogan "no worse than the other guys" doesn't sound like a real moneymaker.
MSN is slowly making progress, and perhaps by the end of next year they will have something terrific, and maybe in a few months they will have something to be proud of which they could launch. Launching now would lead to endless stories in the media that made them look like idiots. There are just way too many embarrassing serps.
(wow, just checked a couple terms and they really hace regressed the past week. Very very poor, with the most childish duplicate spam all over the place.)
| 10:47 am on Dec 12, 2004 (gmt 0)|
They are definitely not ready for prime time, I've found a big hole in their system with long searches, 8-12 words, serps turn into nonsense, those by the way have been technical, MS related issues. No way they're going live with this unless they're crazy, or Bill totally insists. It's a good beta, I'm not getting excited about it just yet.
| 12:59 pm on Dec 12, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Who cares about "totally non-commercial and non-competitive searches"? ;) >>>>>>>>>
The end user
The only thing I say is they are not ready to launch while showing up all top positions to just one domain.........
they show all the subdomains as diferent sites.....
for my keywords on first two pages about 13 are from same site, their index and subdomains.
| 6:59 pm on Dec 12, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I am not smoking anything, I just have some great listings in msn beta and I would like to earn some some $$$
| 7:10 pm on Dec 12, 2004 (gmt 0)|
give me a break. if there are people out there that honestly think that the current Y! serps aren't worse then the beta msn, your the ones smoking something. Y! constantly displays domains with numbers, and sooo many other forms of spam its enough to make me puke.
beta msn is certainly as good and in my opinion better, than the current Y! serps.
and no i am not saying this cause we rank well in beta. we also rank well in Y!, but to sit there and say that msn beta is worse than Y!, well thats just plain wrong.
| 7:15 pm on Dec 12, 2004 (gmt 0)|
There is good and bad with any engine. But I have done a lot of searches on the msn beta lately for research on different topics and I am satisfied with the results. I didn't analyze if they were authority sites or how many of the top listings were from the same site. I just know I had no problem finding what I wanted quickly and easily on their new beta search.
I think they should go live with it now. Not that my site is ranked that well but I would like to see a third player in the mix.
I would be interested to know what topics or searches bring such lousy results, I haven't found any yet. Of course if my site was up there in the top I would like it better, but who wouldn't.
| 10:23 pm on Dec 12, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I have to say that MSN beta is every bit as good as Yahoo, on balance. Yahoo does a few things better such as authority sites (though I think much of the grief is that many of the webmasters here regard themselves as authorities so they really hate MSN ignoring their sites), but MSN results (at least in the cats I monitor) don't commit some of the most heinous Yahoo gaffs such as ranking, say, oneís terms and conditions ahead of their index page or still worse, a links page on another site with your link ahead of your actual website. I see this lot in Yahoo. MSN seems to weight the index page higher and thatís probably a good thing. Someone who dedicates their site to widgets should probably get more attention than someone who just has a widgets page and MSN does a decent job of this.
They also weight titles, domains, and on-page content heavily and thatís probably a good thing too (though it's a drag for branding). Google used to do that not long ago and it became the most popular engine in the world (before their current war on spammers, or their adwords draft campaign or whatever's going on now).
| 10:41 pm on Dec 12, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|Who cares about "totally non-commercial and non-competitive searches"? ;) |
This comment is obviously very tongue in check...
But the point is that it is the money terms that are causing the search engines so much trouble now days - particularly Google.
MSN Beta has more relevant and recent SERPs than Google and spiders far more than Yahoo!. But it does need work re' multiple domains for one site and keyword domains ranking too well.
| 2:46 am on Dec 13, 2004 (gmt 0)|
...wish I could keep MY tongue in check...
| 9:17 am on Dec 13, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Looks like the announcement is not related to search. From [neowin.net...]
|Yusuf Mehdi, corporate vice president of the MSN Information Services & Merchant Platform division at Microsoft Corp is due to make an announcement regarding a new MSN Service (Microsoft Outlook Service) tomorrow. |
MOOL (Microsoft Office Outlook Live) is a replacement for the heavily criticised MSN Outlook Connector. Just like Outlook Connector the add-in aims to synchronise data between MSN Hotmail and Microsoft Outlook, but the idea is to extend the capabilities of such synchronisation. Users of MOOL should be able to sync mail/calendar entries/contacts/notes/tasks with MSN Hotmail.
Although the service is due to Beta tomorrow it's expected the service will be widely available in the first quarter of 2005.
| 11:17 am on Dec 13, 2004 (gmt 0)|
The Seattle Times is reporting that the announcement is for the much-awaited Desktop Search tool. Lets wait and see what this is all about..
| 6:38 pm on Dec 13, 2004 (gmt 0)|
:( :( ,it's about the new MSN Beta Toolbar Suite With Desktop Search
| 6:52 pm on Dec 13, 2004 (gmt 0)|
looks like all of MS products will help in the lunch of the new S Engine,
the new Suite will integrate the search box with the Taskbar, MS-Outlook , OutlookExpress, and ofcourse explorer
| 7:34 pm on Dec 13, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|The MSN beta ain't ready for prime time |
Who said that what's live currently is what will be live when BETA disappears?
I see your point that Yahoo may be better than MSN SERPS currently (not sure I entirely agree though on many many BIG terms), but Yahoo are simply no where near as up to date despite slurp doing the continuous crawl for months now.
So whilst non-commercial authority is still not quite right, I kind of agree with the in-cheek - who cares about non-commercial though. A great many people really don't give a hoot about authority they just want the answer to their question or query wherever it comes from.
So all the SERPS have to be is good enough to ensure the searcher uses the site again!
Overall I think it's jumping the gun anyway - it's probably about the Desktop.