homepage Welcome to WebmasterWorld Guest from 23.20.28.193
register, free tools, login, search, pro membership, help, library, announcements, recent posts, open posts,
Become a Pro Member

Visit PubCon.com
Home / Forums Index / Microsoft / Bing Search Engine News
Forum Library, Charter, Moderators: mack

Bing Search Engine News Forum

This 56 message thread spans 2 pages: 56 ( [1] 2 > >     
Microsoft wants Google traffic
Internet Explorer advertises for MSN if searching for Google!
zgb999




msg:1536837
 12:07 pm on Apr 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

I don't know whether you have this in other parts of the world but if I enter Google in the address bar of Internet Explorer I get
[search.msn.ch...]
which basically tells you: "Why are you looking for a search engine if you already found one". On this popup window you can start searching on MSN.

Microsoft obviously uses its power to get people that are actually looking for Google to MSN search!

 

John_Caius




msg:1536838
 12:16 pm on Apr 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

In the UK I get:

uk.search.msn.com/results.aspx?srch=105&FORM=AS5&q=google

SEO practioner




msg:1536839
 12:29 pm on Apr 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

msft :-( .... thumbs down

ikbenhet1




msg:1536840
 12:32 pm on Apr 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

in the netherlands we get:

nl.search.msn.com/results.aspx?srch=105&FORM=AS5&q=google

(News Article: microsoft opens attack on google = #1 result)

The Subtle Knife




msg:1536841
 12:42 pm on Apr 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

Probably the only time in my entire life,
I'm actually on Microsoft's side on this side.

google needs competition!

Yidaki




msg:1536842
 12:46 pm on Apr 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

>google needs competition!

yep, but not "warlords"!

<added>
In Germany msn.de returns the deyahoo2.asp page within a popup and the first two search results are:
1) Google.de (wow...)
2) MSN Search
</added>

Gonzalez




msg:1536843
 1:08 pm on Apr 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

I Portugal I get "http://search.msn.com/results.asp?Dom=pt&un=doc&cfg=SMCINITIAL&RS=CHECKED&v=1srch=105&FORM=AS5&q=google", but top results are Google, Google internal pages and Google subdomains. No pop-ups.

Napoleon




msg:1536844
 1:09 pm on Apr 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

>> google needs competition! <<

No... actually Microsoft needs competition. They've been abusing their power for years.

You could argue that the above is further abuse. Google is emerging to compete and they don't like it - watch the depths to which they now sink to deal with the situation.

skipfactor




msg:1536845
 1:43 pm on Apr 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

>google needs competition!

Perhaps, but not from a "search engine" company
whose main goal is to sell product.

I'm looking forward to watching MS try to compete with Google using Windows Servers and the SPAM mentioned in the first thread.

Even if they do catch Google, the Justice Department will be waiting in the wings with plenty of pricey Anti-Trust litigation. I think Google has set a fine trap for Mr. Gates.

zgb999




msg:1536846
 2:40 pm on Apr 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

>> google needs competition! <<

If Microsoft wants to compete with Google they have to serve the users of MSN better than Google does!

Attracting users to MSN (with questionable means...) is one thing but sooner or later those users will find they get better results by using Google. MSN won't be able to keep those users for long.

jomaxx




msg:1536847
 3:10 pm on Apr 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

I don't understand why anyone would just type in "google" instead of "google.com" in the address bar. It's somewhat interesting that MSN has designed that specific page, but if you type ANY word or phrase into the address bar, as opposed to a valid URL, you will get a page of search results from MSN anyway. Netscape does the exact same thing.

tejas_shah




msg:1536848
 3:16 pm on Apr 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

Microsoft and Google, both need competition. However, msn should do better job on its search engines, if it wants to gain popularity. Google on the other hand is the king at the present when it comes to search engines.

if you were to type in yahoo, it is the same thing, it does not take you to the yahoo site, it shows you the search result. So basically, explorer works as a search engine text box w/o www or .com. I do not think msn is trying to steal google traffic.

Tejas

Skier




msg:1536849
 3:20 pm on Apr 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

Being M$, they don't want just Google of course.

Search MSN for each of the search engine names and you get commercial plugs for MSN in SERP position #2, in most cases.

Exceptions;
Searches for Yahoo and AOL do not include MSN in the SERPS.
Search DMOZ results looks clean.
Wisenut - Maybe M$ hasn't noticed them yet.

Wonder what is protecting Yahoo, AOL and DMOZ?

Overall, I have faith that such compromising of the results will be apparent to a public that is already cynical about anything Mr. Gates does. He won't be able to stop his operation from following the easy profit opportunities in the SE business - the ones that ruin public confidence.

grifter




msg:1536850
 3:24 pm on Apr 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

you will get a page of search results from MSN anyway. Netscape does the exact same thing.

Not Mozilla. It doesn't report your badly formed URL/failed DNS lookup back to the mother ship, AFAIK.

zgb999




msg:1536851
 4:48 pm on Apr 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>I don't understand why anyone would just type in "google" instead of "google.com" in the address bar.

I don't know why people are doing it but if you look at how many people search for Google on any search engine (instead of just going to google.com) it is obvious that many will do so. From stats I have seen there seem to be quite a few people just entering words in the adress bar.

PatrickDeese




msg:1536852
 4:55 pm on Apr 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

I told you [webmasterworld.com] (message #10), that this would happen.

:)

Planet_Six




msg:1536853
 7:57 pm on Apr 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

In Sweden i get a popup with "why are you looking for a SE bla bla ..."

Planet Six

GoogleGuy




msg:1536854
 3:30 am on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

Very very interesting. Anyone in other countries seeing this behavior? If you're outside the U.S., would you mind typing google in the address bar and reporting back what is returned on this thread?

chiyo




msg:1536855
 3:39 am on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

In Thailand, using the Loxinfo ISP (one of the major public ISP's in the kingdom) we get redirected to the "NIPA search engine", which is a frame with some Thai directory categories on the left (in Thai) and google (in English) in the right frame with "google" pasted into the search box with normal google results.

The directory frame seems to be a cascading javascript menu. When you click on one of these, it removes google from the main frame and replaces it with the site you clicked on in the directory.

Oaf357




msg:1536856
 3:51 am on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

Well Microsoft has their work cut out for them. Do a search for "search engine" on Google and see who pops up first. It's not necessarily a bad idea.

Microsoft will build a search engine the Microsoft way. It won't be Google it might not even be worth Microsoft's time. But you can guarantee that the next few versions of Windows will have the Microsoft search engine incorporated into the OS in some way, shape, or form. Microsoft will try an incorporate itself into everything. Soon you'll be using Microsoft light bulbs if the Redmond uber-corp has its way.

I'm getting a little off topic.

It should be very interesting to see. Microsoft has been crawling my site very slowly for almost a week now. They're either going to build a vast search engine that provides unbiased results or a Microsoft search engine. Only time will tell.

PatrickDeese




msg:1536857
 3:56 am on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

GG

It does not happen from Mexico.

I dont think it is IP based, because if i use

search.msn.de - popup ad
search.msn.ch - popup ad
search.msn.se - popup ad
searcn.msn.no - expected results
search.msn.fr - expected results
search.msn.be - expected results
search.msn.com - expected results
search.msn.co.uk - expected results
search.msn.es - expected results
search.msn.it - expected results
search.msn.nl - expected results
search.msn.com.mx - expected results

I got tired of remembering european tlds, but it seems evident that some clever jake in MSN europe's german hq decided to help his division get more searches this quarter.

on the otherhand, this could be a new feature they are beta testing ;)

NeedScripts




msg:1536858
 4:00 am on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

well there is a very simple reason why this is happening.

Due to the default search behaviour of the your IE Browser.

If you want to use Address Bar as search box, all what you need to do is

1) Click on Search Button on your web browser.

2) You will notice that there is a option to "Customize" your search - click on it.

3) When you click on "Customize" or "Custom" search option, a new windo will popup and under that window look at the bottom - you will see another button that reads "Auto Search Settings"

4) Using the drop down option, you will be able to select any search engine of your choice, and you can just type in any keyword in address bar and you will notice that address bar will work at search field within google or any other tool bar.

I am using Google as my search option for address bar, so when I type in google I get [google.com...]

-------------------------------------------

Now there is a little trick here If you plan to search for keywords like search engine positioning/placement/optimization, you might actually wanna type in search search engine positioning or search search engine optimization in the address bar. Cuz first search is kinda considered as a search command. You are not required to type in "search" before any search, however if you search term's first word is "search" then you need to use it twice.

Hope this helps.

NeedScripts.

mack




msg:1536859
 4:02 am on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

using msie 5.5 if I type in google I get
[google...] and the google homepage appears.
How does this happen?
Any ideas?

is ths my isp caching is does older variations of internet explorer use still use some form of real names redirection.

born2drv




msg:1536860
 4:11 am on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

Am I the only one that sees the changes MSN made in this thread (MSN drops featured site listings [webmasterworld.com]) a prelude to a MSN buyout of Overture?

I think MSN is going to go after Google hard very soon. Overture (OVER) just took a huge loss today of -30%. It is ripe for acquisition and MSN will buy it up, that's why they're telling their customers to go to Overture from now on. It's not like Miscrosoft to tell people they don't want their money :)

Ambiorix




msg:1536861
 6:59 am on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

== 4) Using the drop down option, you will be able to select any search engine of your choice, and you can just type in any keyword in address bar and you will notice that address bar will work at search field within google or any other tool bar.

I just did this. Strange, I can choose from a list of search engines but Google isn't one of them.

Then I clicked on 'Autosearch setting' and selected Google. Guesse what: my IE now uses MSN...

mil2k




msg:1536862
 7:23 am on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

I don't see anything here in INDIA. When i type only google in the address bar i get an error message. When i type google in search.msn.com i get google as top results. That being said i will certainly watch out for the next generation of windows OS which i feel will definitely have MSN search as it's default search. They will follow the same dirty tricks they used with netscape. But i think beating google is not as easy as they expect!

gstewart




msg:1536863
 8:43 am on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

4) Using the drop down option, you will be able to select any search engine of your choice, and you can just type in any keyword in address bar and you will notice that address bar will work at search field within google or any other tool bar.

I only get offered MSN in the drop-down menu!

IITian




msg:1536864
 9:27 am on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

I am no fan of Microsoft or MSN but it seems like MSN is serious. For example, I had a site with 4 temporary pages for about 3 months; after adding about 100+ pages, I, on

April 11 - submitted to Zeal
April 16 - Accepted by Zeal
April 19 - Inktomi starts slurping my pages, done by 21th
April 21 - MSN displays 4 pages of mine in top 8, including the first position, for my main keyword; similar results for all other keywords.

In contrast,

~April 9 - submitted to DMOZ (after a few unsuccessful attempts and after some effort to find location)
April 20 - Google Deepbot did show up and ate my pages for 3 days - did seem inefficient somewhat.

Current status - Doubt DMOZ editor is going to do a thing. Last update in that category was on March 17th. Google is going to update the index sometime next month, we all can guess when. So I just wait and wait.

It seems to me like the IE and Netscape battle, once again.

Napoleon




msg:1536865
 9:37 am on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

From the UK I get the grubby MSN search box at the top of the page, followed by Google sites under 'featured' and 'directory' listings.

chiyo




msg:1536866
 9:59 am on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hmm slighyly off topic..

OK i click "Search" butoon on IE6 toolbar. When the sidebar comes up, it has a casino site displayed in it instead of a form.

When i click on "Customize" te customize window comes up with no form but the casino site page again!

I think ive been had! I remember visiting a casino site several months back but never used the search sidebar until now. I guess it played around with my IE.

If anybody knows how to get rid of the casino site from my search bar iid love to know, but no problem since ive never used the sidebar until now.

This 56 message thread spans 2 pages: 56 ( [1] 2 > >
Global Options:
 top home search open messages active posts  
 

Home / Forums Index / Microsoft / Bing Search Engine News
rss feed

All trademarks and copyrights held by respective owners. Member comments are owned by the poster.
Home ¦ Free Tools ¦ Terms of Service ¦ Privacy Policy ¦ Report Problem ¦ About ¦ Library ¦ Newsletter
WebmasterWorld is a Developer Shed Community owned by Jim Boykin.
© Webmaster World 1996-2014 all rights reserved