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tonyww

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Msg#: 228 posted 4:09 pm on Nov 11, 2004 (gmt 0)


what would have the strong influence on ranking in msn search? Links? On-page optimisation? Is it comparable with any other se?

 

elklabone

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 228 posted 8:33 pm on Nov 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

I guess no one has any idea at this point how to rank better in MSN Beta.

We rank #2 in Google for our targeted keyword after gathering hundreds of incoming links.

However, this doesn't help us much with MSN Beta... we're #13 in MSN beta.

One of our competitors has pushed several pages into the top 10 on MSN search by using a "Classified Ads Network" to push their backlinks up. Totally junk.

Fairla

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 228 posted 9:13 pm on Nov 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Results are kind of odd. I did a search on, let's say, "widget widgets" (without the quotation marks) and got only about nine results, which weren't that great. My site, which should have ranked pretty well for this term, didn't appear at all.

Then I searched for the same term in quotation marks and got tons of results, including my site. This doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

MSN does seem to be doing a great job in getting pages indexed, though. I can't find a single page of my site it hasn't indexed, including one I added just two days ago. Now if only they would rank well enough for someone to find. Right now they're buried beneath mountains of irrelevant junk results.

hbirnbaum

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 228 posted 10:32 pm on Nov 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

How do you get a deep crawl? Very little of my site is indexed in the beta...

Hugene

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 228 posted 2:43 am on Nov 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Msn has crawled a lot of my site, but mostly junk user posting pages! Most articles aren't there! But the links too get to articles are pretty low in the pages, seems the spider didn't get to the bottom.

My site is doing pretty bad in MSN. My main 2 keywords in whoch I hold top position in both G and Y are no where to be seen in the first pages of msn search. One of them is even in the 4 or 5th page.

I really don't like this new search (wonder why...)

Actually, the more I look at it, the more the resukts seem to be junk. In one of my keywords, the main page of a well known spam site is first. Then results 4 & 6 and 5 & 7 are two EXACTLY identical pages, with a slightly different domain name. Msn doesn't seem to notice duplicate content yet.

My opinion: at this beta level MSN search is pure JUNK. They better stick with yahoo for another 18 months before their programmers get it right.

Hugene

woop01

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Msg#: 228 posted 3:20 am on Nov 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

According to MSN, we know what we are doing to rank well with MSN Search Beta but I have no idea why. I'll be honest and say that we are in the top one or two for some terms that we really shouldn't be. For example, we are currently #2 for a 12,000 search keyword (Overture number) while the national organizations that are on top in Google are below us.

The only thing we really focus on is extensive cross linking between our sites with relevant anchor text. It seems that this has paid off much better with MSN Beta than it does with Google.

walkman



 
Msg#: 228 posted 5:05 am on Nov 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

"The only thing we really focus on is extensive cross linking between our sites with relevant anchor text. It seems that this has paid off much better with MSN Beta than it does with Google. "

You're begging to be banned.

matt21811

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 228 posted 6:09 am on Nov 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Pages with just internal backlinks seem to carry very little weight.
Pages that do really well in moderately competitive SERPS have external backlinks and the key phrase in the title.

Seems like the way to mget traffic is to do a page with a title for lots of moderate level competition key word-phrase and get a couple of external links to each page.

woop01

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 228 posted 4:01 pm on Nov 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

extensive cross linking between our sites

We've been doing it for two years with no problem. There's a right way to do it and there's the spammers way. They're all relevant links and quite honestly, our users are the ones who asked for the links first because they like to hop between our sites.

tebrino

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 228 posted 4:03 pm on Nov 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well, my pages rank very well, with results very similar to those at Google. Apparently, optimization will be very similar too.

It appears also that new MSN bot follows dynamic URLs very well.

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