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Microsoft To Launch New Search Engine
Anyone read the news about this Thursday?
TheGuyAboveYou

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Msg#: 219 posted 12:01 am on Nov 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

Microsoft will launch this on Thursday.

Corp. on Thursday will start its long-awaited Internet search service, adding fresh competition to Google Inc.

The Redmond, Wash. software maker on Thursday will open to the public its service for searching the Internet after eighteen months of development. The company is trying to tap into the lucrative business now dominated by Google of combining Internet search and advertising.

[online.wsj.com...]

 

McMohan

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Msg#: 219 posted 9:16 am on Nov 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Confirmed. Beta is showing the same results as the search preview. Any ideas, when will this move to the main search?

Mc

phantombookman

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Msg#: 219 posted 9:19 am on Nov 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

The results for me are fantastic - so very happy.
Only 2 points,
Shame about sponsored listings being on top rather than side

Also the .co.uk search is returning slightly different results (for some phrases) than the .com

I my section at least a huge improvement on the Google serps!

McMohan

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Msg#: 219 posted 9:22 am on Nov 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Ahem! One of my 5 page, 1 month old websites with just 5 PR4 backlinks is ranked already at 3, that Overture tells me as searched for 2.5k a month!

TinkyWinky

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Msg#: 219 posted 9:23 am on Nov 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Shame about sponsored listings being on top rather than side

Agree - although I get both - search for " slimming uk "

Imaster

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Msg#: 219 posted 9:37 am on Nov 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Any ideas, when will this move to the main search?

I read in some news that they will move this to the main search in mid Jan, 2005!

[edited by: Imaster at 10:06 am (utc) on Nov. 11, 2004]

xcandyman

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Msg#: 219 posted 9:38 am on Nov 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

On .com now I'm getting the spanish version?

McMohan

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Msg#: 219 posted 9:43 am on Nov 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

I read in some news that they will move this to the main search in mid Jan, 2005!

OMG! Then what about all these excitements? We were taking a peek at their search tech on their preview site, now on it will be on their Beta site. See ya next year folks on this forum :)

Imaster

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Msg#: 219 posted 10:08 am on Nov 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

From a news story:

MSN said that its new search, located at beta.search.msn.com, was different because it could answer plain-language questions such as "What is the capital of Turkey", and receive a direct answer, "Ankara", delivered by the Microsoft Encarta encyclopaedia.

This seems to be a nice feature, and actually works for quite a few questions that I asked.

internetheaven

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Msg#: 219 posted 10:16 am on Nov 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

I can't get any of them to work: [beta.search.msn.com...] and [beta.search.msn.co.uk...] all say "This site is temporarily unavailable, please check back soon."

Google has already figured out a way to make their money without have a soul come to their search engine. It's called Adsense.

MSN have already figured out a way to make money without having a soul come to their search engine. It's called Windows. Remember, MSN has the resources Google never did while it was building its company. MSN won't be an infant when it comes out, it will be a level playing field. The subtle differences WE AS WEBMASTERS see in the results will not be apparent to the regular user.

So, now that MSN is trying to be a major player,

You're joking, right? That's like saying "Now that Rupert Murdoch is trying to get into media" ...

MSN has already made billions out of the search industry, just because it wasn't their technology doesn't mean they weren't in the top five search engines even before they decided to do it themselves.

petehall

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Msg#: 219 posted 10:18 am on Nov 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Shame about sponsored listings being on top rather than side

I think I disagree!

Placing paid advertising there will result in much higher response levels - they will actually have a PPC service which works.

Coupled with good SERPs I can see every aspect of this search engine working really well.

AdWords a bit pathetic - I cannot believe that nobody at Google has thought of integrating paid advertising into the results, rather than using those bland looking boxes down the side (which IMO do not work).

edit_g

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Msg#: 219 posted 10:22 am on Nov 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

mmmmm... Keep it just the way it is... :)

hughie

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Msg#: 219 posted 10:52 am on Nov 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

I like the look of the serps so far, fixed a lot of screw ups which is nice but it's soooo slow compared to google.

Lets hope this will speed up when it comes out of Beta testing.

ta,
hughie

Nikke

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Msg#: 219 posted 11:02 am on Nov 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

I just hope I will get any results at all from it. I've tried beta.search.msn.com, .co.uk, .se... All I get is
This site is temporarily unavailable, please check back soon.

TrustNo1

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Msg#: 219 posted 11:02 am on Nov 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Try next year, that's good it still sucks. MS doesn't always win (Tivo)

"Although the MSN Search technology won't be released in final form until next year,"

"The new search engine will initially be available only on a special test site."

[seattlepi.nwsource.com...]

superpower

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Msg#: 219 posted 11:04 am on Nov 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

"This site is temporarily unavailable, please check back soon."

Ummm...Reminds me of one of those classic dotcom stories...

We had a major product rollout, tons of publicity, Cnet, major media for this new technology product. Since the tech was in a bit of legal grey area (music) we couldn't get a top line vendor so we ended up with what looked like a small but competent vendor. Our stuff interacted with their stuff as part of the rollout. Approaching launch everything looked good until about 30 minutes to launch, suddenly their side went down.

15-20 minutes went by, quickly edging to the public launch deadline and we started to panic--a lot was riding on this.

Got them on the phone: "What's going over there?"

Answer: "The cat tripped over the power cord".

submitx

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Msg#: 219 posted 11:30 am on Nov 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

MSN Beta is down here too!

Something no one mentiond...it is time to short Google.

outrun

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Msg#: 219 posted 11:49 am on Nov 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well msn beta is up here in Australia, beta interface changed a little but I think it was like this a while back.

regards,
Mark

soapystar

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Msg#: 219 posted 11:52 am on Nov 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

wow! they sure love crosslinking and networks huh!

this could save some SEO's their job!

petehall

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Msg#: 219 posted 12:11 pm on Nov 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

If you had access to the data I do you would realize what people type into se's.

I have access to Hitwise data and for the UK this shows me that:

- 4.70% of MSN UK's users arrive at MSN UK from Google UK
- 3.82% of MSN UK's users go to Google UK from MSN UK

I don't think MSN will have as much of a problem as you think, but then who am I to say.

Back on topic - I can now see the MSN UK Search results and they look fantastic!

Love the look of the SERPs and paid advertising. I think they have done incredibly well with everything...

[edited by: petehall at 12:16 pm (utc) on Nov. 11, 2004]

Hardwood Guy

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Msg#: 219 posted 12:12 pm on Nov 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

"Your 40 year old housewife doesn't care where her search results come from"

Can't beat that funky word "Google" It's become a household word. "Google up blah, blah" I hear similar phrases from many not so savvy surfers. Tough to crack that one IMO. If MSN gets more creative and spends the money I would guess there could be a good battle.

Gotta admit msn is the easiest to type in a search box but others are just as easy.

TinkyWinky

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Msg#: 219 posted 12:15 pm on Nov 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

major product rollout

it's not quite that in real terms - this is beta and of all my mates that are pretty savvy that I have asked, only two knew about it - cos I told them.

So yes a major event - but give it a chance before calling it a mjaor product rollout - we are only 12 hours into the beta testing mode.

Pimpernel

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Msg#: 219 posted 1:40 pm on Nov 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

I've been trying to get in for the last few years and I get the temporarily unavailable message. Is everyone seeing this, or have they banned my IP address already! :)

WebFusion

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Msg#: 219 posted 1:46 pm on Nov 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Google has already figured out a way to make their money without have a soul come to their search engine. It's called Adsense

I love it when people foster a myth that first to market means a company can't be beat (tell that to netscape & AOl)

Hell, I PREFER not to be first to any niche market. Just last month I launched a products that several competitors had "beat" me to market with by about 2 years. I simply let them do all the market research for me, establish that there was, in fact, a demand for the product, and swooped in with a version that capitalized on all their weaknesses and undersold them by $10 a copy. Happens all the time. If you think any one search engine is invulnerable, you haven't been in this business long enough (right Altavista, Excite,....?)

petehall

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Msg#: 219 posted 2:44 pm on Nov 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have just been on the phone to Hitwise and in the UK the market share for search engine and directories for October was dominated by:

17.1% MSN UK
16.0% Google UK

I found this a big shock to the system, and I am still pretty gob-smacked to be perfectly honest.

It seems then that at the moment Google is just far better at it's job.

phantombookman

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Msg#: 219 posted 3:24 pm on Nov 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

this market share really does depend in what areas your business lies.

Search engine referals to all my sites tend to average 90% Google , 10% all the others combined!

petehall

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Msg#: 219 posted 3:33 pm on Nov 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

this market share really does depend in what areas your business lies.
Search engine referals to all my sites tend to average 90% Google , 10% all the others combined!

You have completely misinterpreted my post.

MSN UK dominates the search engine and directory industry of the UK, with Google a close second. MSN UK is a busier website than Google UK.

The fact Google delivers far more traffic to websites (or your website) is completely irrelevant.

These are independent statistics from a company called Hitwise.

Out of all of the 500,000 websites that they record data for in the UK MSN UK is 3rd and Google UK is 4th.

Out of interest Hotmail UK is 1st and Ebay UK is 2nd.

Lts95

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Msg#: 219 posted 3:33 pm on Nov 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Here's a disturbing change in the SERPs. Yesterday on techpreview searching for "Brand-Name Widgets" returned thousands of results. Now when I search on beta, "Brand-Name Widgets" only returns brandname.com I don't think this is for legal reasons because they still showed me plenty of overture advertisements, plus all of the sites that sell this brandname product are legally able to use the brand name. Searches for "Brand-Name" and "Brand-Name Widget Store" have the same problem. Is anyone else seeing this?

Lts95

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Msg#: 219 posted 4:05 pm on Nov 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Sorry for the back to back posts, but after an apparent restart (search is avaialble again and is now a lot faster), this issue seems to have been fixed.

jetboy_70

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Msg#: 219 posted 4:28 pm on Nov 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Pete, you're leaving out some very influential factors, because Hitwise estimates traffic to a site, not searches on a site.

There are many more reasons to visit MSN than just search, whereas Google is primarily about search. Hence artificially spiked MSN figures.

In the UK, MSN users are redirected to the UK branded version by default, whereas Google users are free to use .co.uk or .com. Many do choose to use the .com version. Again, artificially spiked MSN UK figures.

Finally, MSN is the default page for Internet Explorer. Many users leave it that way. That doesn't mean they actively use MSN, but they will contribute to the Hitwise figures.

yorkcity

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Msg#: 219 posted 4:31 pm on Nov 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Are they figures for the MSN portal as oppossed to search engine? Could understand then why they rank above Google as anyone logging out of Hotmail will get MSN UK.

Perhaps GMail may change that with time...

petehall

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Msg#: 219 posted 4:36 pm on Nov 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Pete, you're leaving out some very influential factors, because Hitwise estimates traffic to a site, not searches on a site.
There are many more reasons to visit MSN than just search, whereas Google is primarily about search. Hence artificially spiked MSN figures.

Hitwise uses recorded data not estimations.

I'm not disputing those facts. When did I ever say the search facility was as well used or it delivered anywhere near the traffic that Google does? I didn't.

I pointed out that Google is clearly far better at its job!

Interesting that all these people are already arriving at MSN though isn't it...

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