| 8:05 pm on Mar 20, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I run "ethereal" on a regular basis.
It snoops *all* traffic from my computer and the only thing I have ever seen out of ordinary is traffic going to Adobe.com.
It may happen at some point in the future, and I am sure when it happens there will be a massive uproar.
It is impossible for Microsoft to hide this sort of thing unless they go to dick around with the network stack .. basically great, deceptive lengths .. in which case the uproar would halve their brand value overnight.
| 10:25 am on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Well, with the impending release of Longhorn in a couple of years(I think?) we can all look forward to a world of snooping and rule dodging by everyones favourite big brother.
They're watching me right now!
| 10:40 am on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|2) Nobody I know uses an MSN toolbar - I'm not even sure that one exists. |
There is one! See:
| 10:56 am on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)|
That's one way to help use up bandwidth.
| 3:11 am on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Before I read this post, I've just uninstalled the M's Toolbar. I don't like M's Toolbar, because too much like G's, while fewer quality serps.
| 3:34 am on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I've always used Start>Run>Type url into space>click OK
| 3:03 pm on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|unless they go to dick around with the network stack |
Nah, they could do that and hide it from 99% of their users very easily. Send the traffic out on port 80, and nobody would know. I agree about the uproar, though.
But privacy issues aside, tracking visits from a toolbar that everyone uses would be an excellent way to rank web sites. I wouldn't mind if all the toolbars had an opt-in thing to send their tracking data to Alexa.
Hmm, I wonder if they wrote that, or stole it and changed some of the icons? :)
| 3:13 pm on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)|
They'll have to change their slogan from "It's better with the butterfly" to "The butterfly is watching"
A ranking system based on the browser would be better than Alexa. I think there are more Alexa users using it to inflate their own rank than non-webmasters using it. Afterall, we know that webmasterworld.com is NOT one of the most popular sites on the web, yet according to Alexa it is. The truth is that it's really only popular among Alexa users - aka webmasters who want to manipulate their own Alexa ranking :)
If Microsoft had something built into the browser that reported the sites that were visited (privately - just the URL, not the IP address browser id or any other identifiable information) then I would be all for that. Would be neat to see how websites REALLY rank.
| 4:01 pm on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)|
They could just gather information. hold it in a local file, and fire up to Redmond each time you have a system crash and elect to send the details to MS.
No obvious extra traffic, it could be encrypted so no one notices, and given the quality of most MS products, they'd be getting a few million updates a day.
| 8:47 am on Apr 20, 2004 (gmt 0)|
"They could just gather information. hold it in a local file, and fire up to Redmond each time you have a system crash and elect to send the details to MS.
No obvious extra traffic, it could be encrypted so no one notices, and given the quality of most MS products, they'd be getting a few million updates a day."
The "alert MS" tool submits no personal identifiable information what so ever. This was carefully looked at when it was first launched in Office XP back in 2001.
Personally I find this tool useful for fixing a few issues which I have had with Outlook - provides me with a fix :)
| 12:39 pm on Apr 20, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Ah, but Warren: this thread is about paranoia, not facts :)
And how about, one day, a virus patches the Alert MS tool to spray personal information every which way?