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MSN search target date for launch
It is not a date as much as a target deadline
Receptional




msg:1537792
 12:15 pm on Sep 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

It was apparently "official" previously, but now it has been made official on WebmasterWorld that MSN has a deadline of 1st July 2005 for launching their search tool.

MSNdude:
We have stated publicly that we will release our own algorithmic search engine within one year of our Technology Preview which launched July 1st, 2004.

In Message 8 of [webmasterworld.com...]

My thought is that they will want to beat that deadline by some margin. Anyone have other ideas?

Dixon.

 

Sanenet




msg:1537793
 12:24 pm on Sep 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

So, plenty of room for a margin of error.

Anybody remember an MS product that went live before their original launch date?

Lord Majestic




msg:1537794
 12:59 pm on Sep 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

Anybody remember an MS product that went live before their original launch date?

Well I think they did hit deadline for MSDOS... of course they had to buy someone else's product for that, but nevertheless...

Receptional




msg:1537795
 1:58 pm on Sep 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

What are the consequences in marketing terms of launching that late? It would be 9 months from now. Given that this is going to be the mother of all battles in search marketing terms, is another 9 months of allowing Google and Yahoo to control things going to leave MSN with too much to do, or can Microsoft choose the time and date to start the war do you think?

Sanenet




msg:1537796
 2:08 pm on Sep 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

Difficult to say - if MS are confident that they can launch a G/Y! beater, than yes, they will take the extra time for polishing.

On the other hand, if they let G/Y! think that they have another 9 months... then launch in a months time... :)

steveb




msg:1537797
 10:09 pm on Sep 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

Microsoft isn't dumb enough to launch anytime soon. Their product isn't close to competitive. They will be lucky to meet their deadline. Hopefully by then they will have a great product, or at least a competitive one.

BillyS




msg:1537798
 5:49 pm on Sep 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

They've removed the prototype from the web, so they must feel that they have enough information to make tweaks.

MSN search results are getting very stale now. My newest website (late May launch) has been showing on Yahoo for three months now, but zero pages in MSN.

It is a very clean informational website with a DMOZ listing since end of June. Lots of incoming links, no reason it should not be included from any engine.

The bot is v 0.3, so I would think they are at least 30% there... my guess is sometime before May 2005.

webhound




msg:1537799
 3:43 pm on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Microsoft isn't dumb enough to launch anytime soon. Their product isn't close to competitive. They will be lucky to meet their deadline. Hopefully by then they will have a great product, or at least a competitive one.

Give me a break, what I am seeing now is at least the same as Google, if not better.

MSN is ready now, cept for a few minor tweaks.

Lets roooolll it out MSN.

Receptional




msg:1537800
 4:50 pm on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

MSN is ready now, cept for a few minor tweaks.

With what I see today, you may be right...

steveb




msg:1537801
 7:22 pm on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

"MSN is ready now"

The idea is laughable. MSN has improved significantly, but they aren't within a mile of being ready. Spam tactics from 2001 can control this engine without breaking into a sweat.

Those of us who want MSN to be a good search engine, rather than one where our stuff just happens to be on the top, are hoping the engine launches when it has a quality product, rather than rushing out something not close to competitive like now.

Swanson




msg:1537802
 8:19 pm on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think spam tactics of 2001,2003,2004 can still bring down Google, so who cares - MSN is ready (spam tactics work on all crawler based engines don't they!)

You have to admit that from a standing start MSN is already more than a match for Yahoo Search, which is years of research combined in Inktomi, FAST and AV.

At this rate of development, Microsoft can release this version and get SP1 out in time for Christmas!

steveb




msg:1537803
 2:10 am on Oct 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

"You have to admit that from a standing start MSN is already more than a match for Yahoo Search"

That is patently absurd. I know some of you guys love having top rankings what MSN is putting out, I like it too, but these comments serve no useful purpose. MSN isn't sitting there saying, "oh cool, we like how expired domains are doing great". They know they don't have a market leader product, and they know putting out a half-baked product worse than what they have now would be bad PR.

They want to launch something clearly better than the competition, not something the butt of jokes.

chrisnrae




msg:1537804
 2:32 am on Oct 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

MSN needs the ability to catch affiliate links ( widgets.com/?id=123 from being heavily indexed. Right now they are everywhere in the serps.

eyezshine




msg:1537805
 2:41 am on Oct 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

Msn spider is still crawling and indexing pages I have blocked from all spiders? How could they possibly be ready?

Scarecrow




msg:1537806
 3:34 am on Oct 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

As near as I can tell, Microsoft has only five percent of my main site indexed. From the crawling I've been seeing for over a year now, their preview engine should have five thousand percent of my site indexed by now. MSN -- the Inktomi one -- currently has nearly all of my site, so what's the problem? Do they think Yahoo crawls and indexes too much of my site?

And their word proximity thing is as bad as Google's, whereas I'm happy with Yahoo. Let's say I have a name in my title and in a headline, John A. Smith. The searcher puts in John Smith. Because I have a letter between John and Smith, my page gets sent to purgatory more often than not for this search. (This even happens on unusual names; I use John Smith as an example but I don't expect to be competitive on common names like that.)

Fancy semantics is fine in its place, but hey, let's not forget to add points for good old near-proximity! Simplest is often best.

eyezshine




msg:1537807
 8:20 am on Oct 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

If search engines would be specific and tell webmasters how their engine works and what their algo is then we could all optomize our pages perfect and it would all be fair to everyone.

What's up with all this secret algorythm stuff. Life would be so much simpler if we had a black and white rule book for each engine.

I bet the search results would be so much better.

Then just put a "report spam" link next to each listing, hire a few people to handle the reports and ban the sites manually.

Then you have a spam free keyword tuned search engine.

It sounds simple to me?

webhound




msg:1537808
 7:40 pm on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

Anyone hear any news on when this suckers going to be going live?

steve128




msg:1537809
 1:17 am on Oct 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think they will go live before christmas (2004);-
and tweak around a bit like the good old google dance once did.

I don't think it's perfect yet but that will not stop msn releasing, after all google has been poor for months, i'm talking competetive marketing stuff. For average joe wanting to buy something, msn is at least as good as google if not better. And to be realistic msn has a proven record of capturing these buyers.

I have no doubt msn will beat google in the not so distant future.

google update v msn update, are they waiting to see who draws first?

webhound




msg:1537810
 5:45 pm on Oct 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well that would be good to see. Very good to see.

And I agree from what I see the MSN beta serps look better than both Yahoo and Google.

Can't wait for them to launch it.

mark1615




msg:1537811
 6:21 pm on Oct 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

I am going to offer some rank speculation - I would thinkg MS launches next month to capture Christmas traffic. Pointy heads (and I mean it in the most flattering possible way) can debate who searches are more relevant but the MS searches are definitely good enough now for the average user wanting to find a widget for Christmas. And it would be good business - internet use spikes around Christmas and the launch would generate some free press and bring new users in to try MS vs G or Y.

With that and $2.50 you can get a coffee at SBUX.

steveb




msg:1537812
 7:47 pm on Oct 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

Treating the "average user" as an idiot isn't a good move with something this big.

If Microsoft launches a product that isn't close to Windows Me quality, they will sentence themselves to irrelevance unneccesarily. The results are way to low quality to be used, and also too inconsistent in terms of pages that are actually in their index. But more important, they need to launch something bold and notable... they don't have those slider thingees there for just show, they want to impress the hell out of the public, which it would be great if the did. But the current serps are still laughable. they need at least two more beta releases before they should even consider a launch.

There is no hurry. There is no fire. Launching a plainly inferior product, or even one only slightly worse, just makes no sense to do (unless they did at the same time as they did some major browser integration or something like that).

webhound




msg:1537813
 9:04 pm on Oct 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well all i can say is the google and yahoo serps are every bit as "laughable" as what the beta MSN engines serving up.

I don't know what category your looking at, but for the ones we're looking at the MSN serps are as good, if not better than G and Y.

reuben101




msg:1537814
 9:16 pm on Oct 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

just saw an ad for MSN Search on weather.com. Clicked it and got to www.search.msn.com

interesting

steve128




msg:1537815
 10:30 pm on Oct 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>Treating the "average user" as an idiot isn't a good move with something this big.<<

I don't think idiot is the right word, mr&mrs average surfer are not idiots, they want to by a widget, msn beta can right now supply the widget, google cannot unless a "savvy" user is willing to wade thru directories. So I'm an idiot cos I aint gonna wade thru piles of "link sites" so in real terms who's the idiot?
Solid good practice, "keep it simple stupid"
I believe google intentionally meant for people to click adwords, and the truth is they don't, they continually hang on to the hope.

In answer to 404's I think that will be solved before going live, but really I prefer that than been faced with 10 zillion links I first search for, as on google

webhound




msg:1537816
 4:23 pm on Oct 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well said.

Interesting that MSN is doing some advertising on the search as well.

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