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seasalt

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Msg#: 107 posted 3:08 am on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

[techpreview.search.msn.com...]

 

michael heraghty

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Msg#: 107 posted 12:21 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

What's particluarly bizarre about this fiasco is that Gates was poo-poo'ing the notion of keyword search, and then these results are entirely based on keywords in URL.

MSNdude, seriously, there simply is nothing to talk about when *all* the top results are keyword domains, either keyword.tld or keyword-1-x.tld.

Agree pretty much with SteveB.

Get ready for domain-buying frenzy, as kw in domain takes on a whole new importance!

rfontaine

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Msg#: 107 posted 12:30 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Terrible results! I tried "Vermont News" - none of the top newspapers appear on the first page. What kind of search engine is that?

Also I've noticed that nearly all the top sites for a search have the keywords in the their domain name.

My rating: very poor

zeus

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Msg#: 107 posted 12:32 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have nothing against keyword in title, but there has to be some content related to the title.

OK a title like key-key-key-key, thats to much

taskmaster

hannamyluv

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Msg#: 107 posted 12:36 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hmm... Not impressed. For my company name we come up 7 (on every other SE we come up 1). What comes up 1-6? 6 different pages from a rinky dink static page banking site that shares our name, and they also take up the rest of the results on the page after our listing. Trust me, if they are typing in our company name, theres a 1-1000 chance that the person isn't looking for us. It appears that they have some serious issues with dynamic pages.

I'm really surprised that none of you have commented on the insta-spam report button they have. That little icon that looks like it's a page rank or something... It's a feedback link to a spam report page. I think it may be equivilant to AOL adding the instant spam report button to their email awhile back.

helenp

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Msg#: 107 posted 12:39 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>>What's particluarly bizarre about this fiasco is that Gates was poo-poo'ing the notion of keyword search, and then these results are entirely based on keywords in URL.
MSNdude, seriously, there simply is nothing to talk about when *all* the top results are keyword domains, either keyword.tld or keyword-1-x.tld.
>>>>

I don´t agree, at least not at 100%
searching for my kewords city + villas
I am fourth, and in my domain the word villas is not present, same as in many other sites on first page.
Even though many had the word villas in domain or in subpage.
Seems to be mixed up keyword in domain, title and content.

Andy_Abbott

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Msg#: 107 posted 12:39 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

I don't blame the search engine not being as good as Google, I expect that it would take many years to develop such a search engine.

There is one thing that I like about it, Google is far too dominant, MSN might be able to sway the balance.

textex

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Msg#: 107 posted 12:50 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Terrible....

Tons of SPAM.

But, I am not seeing kw-kw-kw-kw-kw.com sites at all. In fact I have a bunch of these doamins that I used for Yahoo! directory back in the day and these sites are not even in the index!

Leosghost

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Msg#: 107 posted 12:53 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

anyone know how to check it for back links ...?

zulufox

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Msg#: 107 posted 12:53 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

I,m not seeing kwkwkwkwkwkwkw.com sites.. but I am seeing:

Search: Blue Widgets

Result 1: BlueWidgets.com

or

Results 1: Blue-Widgets.com

Thats sad since that means that in some keywords the guy who put up an affiliate link spamming site gets number 1 position ust because he registered the domain in 1996. Whereas a MAJOR authority site has dominated discussion of blue widgets gets page 4 because its name is Kozmo.com (no.. not really kozmo.com).

Do a search for "search engine" what I am saying becomes obvious:

Results 1: SearchEngineWatch.com
Results 2: Dogpile.com
Results 3: Altavista.com
Result 4: Google.com

Now... if there was EVER an authority search engine site out there... google is it. I,d understand if msn made sure they were above google.. but msn search isnt even on the first page.

The first result is AGAIN the one with the kw in its domain.

[edited by: zulufox at 12:59 pm (utc) on July 1, 2004]

Chndru

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Msg#: 107 posted 12:55 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

The first thing i noticed was Readable ransom notes.

Very cool. Not sure how they generate it. But, it is far more useful than Google's snippet.

hotftuna

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Msg#: 107 posted 12:59 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Two sites that I manage that are well established, full of original content, seo'd, but not at all spammy and they are excluded from results.

They must be indexed, since I see plenty of back links, but the sites do not show for domain, or title.

I would rather see a new search engine filter-out results over time then start out with "top sites" excluded or penilized.

ccity

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Msg#: 107 posted 1:05 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Wow... these are bad.

For one keyword I tried, only 2 out of the 15 results on the first page were websites that are considered major players in the field. The other 13 might as well have been personal homepages, they were so bad.

For one of my own keyword phrases, different pages of my own website came up on 13 out of the 15 results.

With these results, I just might be looking at early retirement in Tahiti too!

sit2510

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Msg#: 107 posted 1:27 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>> anyone know how to check it for back links ...?

----------------------

Use command link:http://www.yourdomain.com

NOT link:www.yourdomain.com which won't work

RussellC

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Msg#: 107 posted 1:39 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

I am seeing terrible results. If I search for the ultra competitive term in my industry, the authority site (a $100 million company) is not even in the top 200 results. The results are filled with keyword-keyword-is-great.com type results.

sit2510

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Msg#: 107 posted 1:46 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)


ATTENTION PLEASE
=================

For those who said the results are bad, I'm wondering which url you use to check the results for future MSN search - this one [techpreview.search.msn.com...] or Web Search [sandbox.msn.com?...]

zulufox, if you use [techpreview.search.msn.com...] for "search engine", you will definitely see different results. The results you mention seems to come from [sandbox.msn.com...] or [msn.com...]

I suspect that you guys look at the wrong url by following the 2nd post of msndude which confuses the webmasters. I lost nearly 30 minutes today because of this and my feeling is very bad, only to learn later that I check at the wrong place. I assume the right one should be [techpreview.search.msn.com...] and my mood flys as the results are great!

Leosghost

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Msg#: 107 posted 1:51 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

I went here [techpreview.search.msn.com...]

BTW ..Msndude ..if I may offer another comment/suggestion as to user friendlyness/landing page etc ...

you have this at your french language page :
(sorry I never did work ou how to do colors and bold text here at WebmasterWorld )

**
Bienvenue à une avant-première de la nouvelle technologie de recherche de MSN

Ce que nous avons à vous faire découvrir? Un tout nouveau moteur de recherche algorithmique créé de toutes pièces à partir de technologie Microsoft. Jetez-y un coup d'oeil. dites-nous ce que vous pensez.

Ce site sera disponible pendant une courte période. Dès que nous aurons incorporé vos commentaires et ajouté quelques fonctions, il fera sa réapparition, renouvelé et amélioré.

**

I'd go instead for this ( below ) its more elegant /readable and I've sorted out your grammar which was "naf" and a bit "babel fishy"

**
Bienvenue à l'avant-première d'une nouvelle technologie de recherche de MSN

Ce que vous allez découvrir : un nouveau moteur de
recherche algorithmique créé entièrement à partir des
technologies Microsoft. Jetez un coup d'oeil.Dites-nous
ce que vous en pensez.

Ce site sera disponible pendant une courte durée. Dès la réception de vos commentaires et l'ajout de quelques fonctions, le site reviendra renouvelé et amélioré.

Merci de faire part de toutes vos suggestions.

**
hope you don't mind the "improvements"
..but google became successfull because of the quality of its serps and it's landing page ...

(copy sent to your "comments" team via your site )

[edited by: Leosghost at 2:30 pm (utc) on July 1, 2004]

celerityfm

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Msg#: 107 posted 1:52 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

sit2510 yes, I think people may have been confused and are using the search box on [sandbox.msn.com...] .. but it makes me chuckle to hear that some may be complaining about the search results there because those are actually y!inktomi serps! bwahahha.

By the way, msndude, please, lets not play the paid inclusion game ok? Its just not worth it.

jo1ene

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Msg#: 107 posted 1:54 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Holy crap! I love it! For one of my big phrases I get three different results from my site. It's about friggin' time! I'm used to having pages come up before me that hardly even mention the phrase (only mention it once in the title). I guess this tester doesn't place as much importance on incoming links, as that's the area I'm weak in.

Marcia

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Msg#: 107 posted 2:04 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Javascript redirects are working fine. Two pages in the top 20 from the same site landed me at Dogpile search.

Must have been an expired domain that someone picked up - the text is totally irrelevant to the subject (it's text about lingerie, couldn't be further from it - and a photo of a gorilla).

It's just got the keyword phrase in the hyphenated domain name, H1, anchor text in a link at the top going to the page it's on, and a whole left menu filled with all the keywords for the product line the search is for.

Title, domain name, H1 and anchor text - that's about it.

zyshen

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Msg#: 107 posted 2:17 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

I want to say - WOW
Very impressive for first timer. Microsoft did fairly well on this one and I hope they will furnish it before final release.

1. keyworddomainname.com has a huge advantage. But not 100% dominant. An example being my 1 month old website, which is not even indexed in G yet is ranking well. In google this particular game returns over 2 million results and 9 or the top 10 spots are conquered by Big Game sites such as ign, gamespot, and gamefaqs. The google result isn't bad as it shows the bigger, more authoritative site. However, like the way MSN is doing it (a different approach).

2. link popularity is definitely depreciated in this new MS search. Bad for the great sites that people really love; good for countering "link purchase/sell" which is getting to widespread.

just my 2c

zulufox

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Msg#: 107 posted 2:21 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Ya big OOOPs on my part... I was searching the wrong place.

Something interesting DID come up though.

I searched my main keyword (I am ranked 350 for this keyword in google) and a page of mine is ranked 65!

This isnt what is interesting however... what is interesting is that the page ranked 65 isnt my homepage but it is a page with links to different categories of articles on my site.

Why did this page show up and not my homepage?

It isnt the URL.. which is:

not-a-keyword.com/Q/QLinks/Articles/

Its not site template or title (since they are the same).

This ONLY different is in the page´s contents. My homepage has 2.2% kw and this page has 4.6% keywords.

No comments on how low my keyword count is please.. but it does show that it matters and matter quite a bit.

mat

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Msg#: 107 posted 2:56 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

The Register seem a bit confused:

[theregister.co.uk...]

jimbeetle

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Msg#: 107 posted 3:01 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Nothing too startling for a first go 'round, my impressions are basically the same as all those above.

One thing that I am curious about, and what we won't see until launch, is how MSN is going to monetize search: What will the pages look like after all the "Click here," "No, click here" stuff is added around the SERPs?

Gotta' run, time to reactivate that old keyword-keyword-keyword-keyword.com domain.

bluebird

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Msg#: 107 posted 3:07 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Love it love it love it:)

AhmedF

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Msg#: 107 posted 3:21 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

I dont like it at all.

Do my websites dominate? yes ;). But to be honest, there are far 'superior' sites that should be above me, but are nowhere to be found. And also a lot lot of junk above me too.

1. Its slow
2. It sometimes complains about 'no results'. Refresh and suddenly that problem goes away
3. I am seeing a *lot* of spam results.
4. Its ugly :p

Again, from a normal searcher's perspective, this puppy is not good.

Wail

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Msg#: 107 posted 3:28 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

My two pence now.

It looks nice. The people who love it seem either to like the look or that they're getting nice results for their own site.

I'm afraid, however, the anti-spam filters here are awful. They're deadful. This is twice as disappointing because MSN search have made big anti-spam promises.

It can't cope with the load. Okay. Fair enough, it's a preview under a lot of weight right now.

[techpreview.search.msn.co.uk...] is embarrassing because, when it can handle the load, returns no results. I know techpreview.search.msn.co.uk isn't officially being launched today - but MSN should have expected people to look.

mquarles

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Msg#: 107 posted 4:01 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm seeing hundreds. - you don't seem to be counting things like unclosed P tags.

Yes, I agree. Unclosed paragraph tags would rank right up there in the top things searchers care about :-¦.

MQ

newwebster

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Msg#: 107 posted 4:14 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

The look is good, but the results are not up to par. Good high quality sites that dominate Google and Yahoo are nowhere to be found. There not even in the database under a direct URL search. Too many sites that have multiple pages listed under the same search term.

This needs some more work and more crawling to do before it is even half baked.

suidas

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Msg#: 107 posted 4:20 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

1. Site doesn't work in MSIE 5.1 on OS 9. Fails dramatically.
2. It's going off and on intermittently.
3. The multiple results are out of control. For example, I typed "hieroglyphics." While it's possible I'm interested in a record label, and not information about the writing system, getting three pages of results exclusively from the record label, including some very baroque dynamic URLs, was a big surprise. Fourth page? Engine died.

peterdaly

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Msg#: 107 posted 4:24 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

I say adding group by domain, and this by far beats the quality of the current msn search. Probably Y! as well.

Perfect? No. Right direction? Yeah!

I can't wait for this to go live, but I'm biased. I am nowhere to be found in the current (St)Ink based results. Found my sites easily on this. Seems almost like the Google algo from a year or so ago in terms of where I rank.

webhound

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Msg#: 107 posted 4:31 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Anyone know when this will leave beta and go live?

MSN Dude?

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