Thanks DS - interesting developments for a Friday night.
No suprises here :)
once the top banners are gone at the end of this year, then the SERP real estate would be less cluttered
That should add fuel to the fire of those touting the commercial/AdWords conspiracy theories ;)
So who did assassinate JFK?...Sergey & Larry....wait folks...they weren't born then :)
If I were paying for Adwords I'd be a little concerned. At least if I were using Adwords to sell products....
WOW right on top
I guess google is telling us to drop our adwords campaign and put the extra money into "SEO" & the froogle feed instead.
Does anyone have any ideas as to which sites are appearing? Is it random? Is it by price? hmmmm...
We had a hint at [webmasterworld.com...]
>Does anyone have any ideas as to which sites are appearing? Is it random? Is it by price? hmmmm...
It seems to be ordered by price, I tried 40 or so searches for common products, all appeared in price order. Froogle by name....Froogle by nature.
It might definately have value for quickly finding the lowest price product by brand once the database has a reasonable number of products in it.
I would think they only show them for US visitors - can anyone tell us if this is the case?
Best way to get them to show is to put in something very specific, with a brand name. Pick your favorite digital camera, for example, and froogle listings should show up.
And yeah, I imagine Adwords advertisers are going to be a little miffed about this. I know I'm concerned, even though none of my keyphrases bring up Froogle listings (yet).
|I would think they only show them for US visitors - can anyone tell us if this is the case? |
Can see them up here in Canada eh ;)
WOW! this is indeed a serious news flash. So I guess this answers alot of questions as to what could possible be going through thier heads. I guess this is the beginning of the seperation of non/commercial listings in the Google index. SEEMS A LITTLE PREMATURE BOYS! Get you stuff together before you start spitting this cr*p out.
[edited by: super_seo at 7:08 am (utc) on Dec. 6, 2003]
Definately not seeing these in Hong Kong so I cant comment on how its going to affect us (we run some niche stores of our market).
Poor timing. What ever happened to the folks who used to gush over Google and the cluetrain [webmasterworld.com]
I for one am disgusted with Florida, but thrilled with Froogle. Its far and above better than any other shopping search engine out there. And our clients aren't doing too bad there either :-)
So much for being unbiased in either case, LOL.
OK this is very disturbing. Google is becoming more and more yahoo like. Now with my high resolution monitor when I do a search the TRUE search results only take up 25% of the initial screen with the froogle results now at top. How sad.
>>I imagine Adwords advertisers are going to be a little miffed about this<<
And I don't really feel like paying for advertising on a BETA site!
Actually very great for Adwords advertisers :) Think about it.
|Now with my high resolution monitor when I do a search the TRUE search results only take up 25% of the initial screen with the froogle results now at top. |
At anywhere from 640x480 to 1024x768, AdWords take 33% of the screen or less for me.
|I dont need books i need travel and hotels and flights. |
If you're selling a hotel in India, they should let you in there. The whole point of Froogle is to sell "things", not to be an advertising service.
|I imagine Adwords advertisers are going to be a little miffed about this |
Why should advertisers be all that upset? It's just another kind of free listing, above the other free listings. The only problem I can see compared to Adwords is that it only displays 3 results, and there's no way to guarantee placement.
Something else new:
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|brotherhood of LAN|
Can't see them hre in the UK either.....yet.
//added I thought Danny S is from UK, nonetheless up here in sunny scotland i'm not getting froog
// got it now....
[edited by: brotherhood_of_LAN at 9:37 am (utc) on Dec. 6, 2003]
"OK this is very disturbing. Google is becoming more and more yahoo like"
You make it sound like Google is copying Yahoo. I actually think Yahoo is becoming "Google-like". Buying their own ppc engine, focusing on "search", copying froogle with Yahoo Products. Soon you will see Overture results in the right nav at Yahoo shown just like at Google.
Anyway, Froogle is here to stay. Time to focus some effort over there :)
>Why should advertisers be all that upset? It's just another kind of free listing
It is a Google endorsed set of free listings. If the theory that people use Google because they like and trust Google holds true then the upshot is that people are more likely to trust the Google endorsed listings over the Google PPC listings.
CTR is likely to drop for those where Froogle appears, and CTR correlates to profit for good advertisers.
The dc and ex data centers are showing "frooglings" from Europe.
Not sure which data centers are meant for Europe though (many others seem to be non-responding at the moment)
<<added>> sometimes it helps to press "search" several times it can come and it can disapear
|It seems to be ordered by price, I tried 40 or so searches for common products, all appeared in price order. |
Oh brother. If it is that simple there will be serious problems.
Think of all the schemes sites will come up with to gain the top slot. (e.g. increased shipping, conditional pricing, etc.) Premature to say, but just reading what you had to say incited me.
|the TRUE search results only take up 25% of the initial screen |
As much as 320px now before you get to the first result :(
Say you have a product, and 500 people are selling it for the same price. How does Froogle distinguish which get the 'top 3' spots in the regular Google listings?
|If you're selling a hotel in India, they should let you in there. The whole point of Froogle is to sell "things", not to be an advertising service. |
don't you think that I and the other thousands of websites would have taken the trouble to be in froogle then. There system is far far far from ready why are they imposing this filter on there regular results before Foogle can handle these industries. I think there is more here than just seperating the commercial and non commercial sites this may be a test phase but why do it live? Google is planning something big for the new year unfornatunately its for no ones benifit but there own. Be very careful here Google your sites been built on reputation for great relevent and fair results, all three of those qualities are in jeopardy. The new kid is around the block, I would say right about now is a perfect time for those new kids to pull some tricks of there own.
|The stress caused by all of these changes may just push a few more 'over the edge' |
Amen, brother. It seems like i've been getting hit by bricks from various corners of the web since September. What was shaping up as a prospectively great christmas is slowly deteriorating into a big disappointment! (Sure froogle helps some of you, but not me) So chalk this one up as another hit. When Dec. 1 rolled around and still no froogle, I really doubted it would happen this year. I still love google, but couldnt you have held off for just 2 weeks more man, 2 weeks! :(
rise2it - So which is the best building to jump from? sticky me.
(Just Kidding, of course)
My browser is not displaying ANY regular non-Froogle or non-Amazon results above the fold for the KW I follow most closely.
May see a gradual trend:
the free SERPs will become less and less important to joe (ecommerce) surfer.
And if I was google, thats the way I would want it too.
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