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New Froogle Tab on Google Homepage
Googles Froogle Hits the Streets

 5:38 am on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Continued from: [webmasterworld.com...]

Froogle tab is now on google homepage.

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 3:36 pm (utc) on Mar. 29, 2004]



 12:55 pm on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

The new look is okay, but I think it needs just a little more work. For instance, IMHO, that top light blue band needs to have a border on both the top and the bottom, and the top and bottom blue bands need to go clear to the edges of the screen.

Nice how AdWords now look a little more like normal search results; may result in more clicks for advertisers.

At higher resolutions, the search results should fill up all the white space up to the AdWords results. Or, at the very least, AdWords should be bumped to the left so that any white space is at the far right of the page, like many other sites that aren't a liquid layout.

Call me crazy, but a think a few of the Google colored balls as light background images on the bottom and middle of the homepage would add to the attractiveness of the page. Kind of like the Deskbar background. Speaking of which, I would have thought the Deskbar would be mentioned on the Toolbar pages by now.

Is the "Search Within Results" new, or has that been around for awhile? I haven't noticed it before. Great feature for narrowing results!

On the whole, I can take it or leave it. I use Google for speed and results, and really don't notice the interface much. Curious as to why Google thought a new design was necessary.


 12:57 pm on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

GG - My first impression, I like it. Of course that comes from a site webmaster rather than professional SEOer, so take it for what it's worth.

It seems to have a crispness to it, yet it is not tough on the eyes.

I like the keywords or stemmed words being bold in all the places they appear, title, description, url and adwords.

My only real non-positive thought is that I'd like to see more than 10 listings per page. I think 15 or 20 would be better all around or something to entice seachers heavily to look beyond the first page.

When I google something, the quality of the first page tells me whether or not google has served me what I'm looking for. Only if I feel the results are relevant will I look beyond the first page to try and find the specifics I'm looking for. However, with some enticement, even if I feel the results aren't the best, I might look beyond the first page to see if I can still find a site that might have what I'm looking for. Take this for what it is, it's just an example of a searchers behavior and not a critic of the overall serp quality......at least not at the moment.

By the way GG, I also wanted to take a moment to say thanks for listening. Nov, Dec and Jan had to be tough hearing all the negative comments and the constant complaining we all did. But G took our harsh feedback and seems to have fixed things for the better. It may not be as we all would like it, but it has gone in the right direction. I'd like to see my site higher, I think it deserves to be, but at least it's there.


 12:57 pm on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

DMOZ Category within the SERPs is also gone.


 1:19 pm on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

(I caught a glimpse of this a month or more ago)
me too ,one thing though, the algo gets mad like road runner every day each day for about 3-4 hours changes the results on the top 10 because of the new url,s added to the index.You nearly can get a hart attack if you see your page from # 5 to # 11 and after 3 hours back again, but if you use to it its ok.Anyway can GG tell us when Google will stabilize the results for a month at list, other wise I will have to tell to the forum a very funny joke .(dad to the son) If the position of pussy will not stabilized we wont have Xmas pudding this year......!LOL


 1:27 pm on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

I used to like the Dmoz link in the search results as gave a web site credability.

All results look the same now, before the Dmoz links would space out a listing and it would appear that the site was worth clicking on.

In general the results appear more compact and tidy less clutter, maybe Dmoz was seen as clutter :o)

Still room for a Directory link next to more>>


 1:40 pm on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

I agree with lasko and others that the directory listing link was a useful addition to the results. Not only have I often visited the directory directly from the SERPS, but it really helps to show what the authoritative sites are, and also helps to further describe the site.

Google: Please, just why not at least include an option in the preferences? It wouldn't hurt anyone. 'Little' things like this all add up. If you're worried about cluttering up the preferences page, then by all means, include a "more preferences" link at the bottom.

[edited by: dwhite at 1:44 pm (utc) on Mar. 29, 2004]


 1:41 pm on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

I like the design, seems cleaner. Reminds me of what Google was like back in '99, but with adwords.

I did rely on the directory tab when searching in very spammed out terms. I wish that tab would come back to where it was before this new design.


 1:50 pm on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Good riddance to the DMOZ link!

After an editor spammed me and was telling me about getting me higher in Google because of where he could place me in DMOZ, that pretty much confirmed that the directory has problems.

I'm glad to see Google is not relying on something that is so corrupt.

The new look does seem crisper. Don't know if I really like the way the adwords are displayed.


 1:52 pm on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

I've never used the directory tab when searching, not once, so either I'm missing out or I'm part of the majority and thus part of the justification for getting rid of it.


 1:52 pm on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Me too would like to see the return of the Directory, both in the results and as a button.

Am I the only one who finds the keyword highlighting in the green URL unnecessary and slightly disturbing? The rest of the design is nice and clean, though.

I had a look at the HTML. Good thing that they're using the <label>-tag with radio buttons, in a way that even IE understands. Improves navigation and accessibility. However I wonder what the <font>-tag is good for... it's soooo 20th century ;)

They could have added an accesskey to the query input field. After all, all it takes is adding 'accesskey="q"' to the tag. Makes many people happy, hardly any extra bandwidth.


 1:52 pm on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yeah the directory tab is very useful for spammed out categories and searching for brand sites. Overall the new design is better, but I think it looks a little messy because the ad links look too similar to the main results. They looked better when highlighted in a different background color.


 1:58 pm on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Re-reading the thread, I notice alot of comments relating to CTR. Wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that this new look will have to cook for a few days to really get an idea what the CTR effect will be?

Personally after re-looking at a search I did that contains my own site, I think my sites CTR might actually go up because of the prominence the new design gives my listing even though it's not on the top of the page.


 2:00 pm on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

<After an editor spammed me and was telling me about getting me higher in Google because of where he could place me in DMOZ, that pretty much confirmed that the directory has problems. I'm glad to see Google is not relying on something that is so corrupt.

Try to keep up. This has been clarrified multiple times already in this same thread. The results are still associated with DMOZ. They still rely on it. Only the GUI has changed. Google is just hiding the DMOZ links.


 2:02 pm on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm glad to see Google is not relying on something that is so corrupt.

Such forceful language.

My friend, when the numbers get large enough, incidents of corruption are seemingly inevitable for humankind. Does that mean a community - a town or village - of 10,000 "is so corrupt" if one member of the community is a pedophile and another a bank robber? Would you say "The village is so corrupt!"?

Be mindful of public declarations. They are as often judged as shedding light on the speaker as they are judged to shed light on the subject spoken of.


 2:09 pm on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

*Wow, When that "toggle google link" didn't work for the last week, i knew it is coming.
It is much optically clear and very crisp. Loving it. :)

*Too bad they took out the directory listing. I use it all the time. Hope they bring back something of that kind on the SERPS, not necessarily a tab for it. And when you goto "more" and then, directory, it still has the old look.. :(

*mm...personalized search & webalerts...wow! that's a toy i get to play with now. Thanks GG!

[edited by: Chndru at 2:12 pm (utc) on Mar. 29, 2004]


 2:12 pm on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Congratulations Google for finally downplaying DMOZ,

Lets just hope they also downplay links from DMOZ. Once the value of links from DMOZ are minimized the value of a DMOZ listing will be minimul then all the seo Editor mafia types will leave. It wont be valuable for them to "control" a vast number of DMOZ categories.

Think about people NOBODY really uses DMOZ for searches.. whenever anyone discuss the best place to search..DMOZ is NEVER included.

DMOZ only purpose is for link value.. no one trys to get into DMOZ for traffic..they try and get in for Link value..so Google will rank them higher..

I dont care for the new look at Google but I would bet that Adwords advertisers are going to be happy because the right side has expanded about 10 pixels and a persons eye's are drawn to that side.


 2:13 pm on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Love the new look - very 2004, very clean - nice.

But the results - very 1997, full of amazon and untitled, irrelevant pages - what happened?

Tried the SERPs feedback form a few weeks back - and it was BROKEN!


 2:13 pm on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Is there a way we can vote on this and let Google know what Google users want?


Google should have a vote on its own site and ask users to vote about the new design?

Any comments!


 2:13 pm on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

I am so happy because there are no ODP description any more because
there editors (DMOZ) are from the planet URANUS.
Does any one knows what test give the famous ODP editors because it happens i am a looksmart editor


 2:14 pm on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Bug in new design

The HTML is:
Froogle<sup><font color=red style='[b]text-decoration=none[/b];'>New!</font></sup>
instead of

Which explains why it doesn't work in any browser (except IE of course). I wonder on how many different browsers all that testing was being done on.



 2:14 pm on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hi GG ,
Like the new design my only critism is that the directory has gone ,
as a surfer rather than a webmaster i felt that the directory added the opportunity for surfers to find those small companies who have no seo knowledge and just put a website up for visitors to find them ,
Maybe one of the things to take back to the plex is a rather large project I like many believe that some areas of dmoz have become corrupted by " volunteers " adding or deleting as per their own " wishes " and what was once a fantastic concept has been tainted by just a few individuals
Could Google look at creating their own directory with volunteers but with some cost for inclusion to pay for an audit trail of links added or deleted . Maybe volunteers could be given some of those wonderfull google goodies as incentive

To all the DMOZ editors this is not meant as a go at dmoz ( but I am afraid you only need to look at any 50 random sections to see there are issues ) Just run a check across a few sections looking for same web site address to see what i mean


 2:24 pm on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

I noticed the results are slightly different today, although I guess that could be the result of the normal flux. Or........ the reduced effect of the ODP link?


 2:32 pm on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Don't like the new look. It's information overloaded and reminds me of AlltheWeb. It's too cluttered, and because Google hasn't graphics or decorative banners, that can make the new listings page look like a bit like a dictionary excerpt.

Instead of changing the look and feel Google should spend a bit more time on its ranking mechanism. Because when it worked it was the best. By miles.

If I do another holiday search or a hotel search and get taken to a website that is an e-spotting/epedia/ keyword affiliate dump with links that error out, and then find Googlebot has just munched 50,000+ pages, I shall go Yahoo?.

Come on Google..at the moment SEOing your engine is a muppets game, and and there are lots about.

How about something less drastic than SiteMatch but equally different that would level the field and help distinguish professional SEO's from the rest.

Here's awating your next update.



 5:41 am on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Check the Google Home page. Froogle is now listed as one of the tabs on Google, in addition to Web, Images, Groups, News.

The Google Directory link is no longer there.

The Froogle home page itself has changed it's look. Instead of the shopping directory - it now has the last few searches (albeit the successful ones - I guess) conducted on Froogle.



 5:56 am on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yup! Just seeing it now myself. Very sorry to see the directory gone, although the "more >>" is certainly a good thing. There's plenty of room to keep the directory tab, but perhaps this is a sign the directory is on its way out entirely.


 6:01 am on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Wow! This is exciting...time to get all my Froogle Feed data up-to-date.

Wonder why the directory is missing?


 6:05 am on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Bottom of images page:
"Searching 880,000,000 images"


 6:06 am on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thought I may be the first to mention it this time...not :)


 6:06 am on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

New to Froogle homepage:
"A few of the items recently found with Froogle:"

(and I see I am now a Senior Member...woohoo!)


 6:22 am on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm also seeing the new layout for the SERPs since the addition of Froogle to the home page. Nice changes.


 6:38 am on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well, there are about five threads running on this simultaneously. :-)

I see that the SERPs are showing no directory listings at all. Looks like the Google directory has effectively been dropped (or rather it's there, but only for people who make an effort to find it).

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