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Froogle
Googles Froogle Shopping search goes Beta
feeder




msg:1530736
 2:40 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

[froogle.google.com...]

 

danec




msg:1530737
 2:59 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

Its the end of the world as we know it.

Beachboy




msg:1530738
 3:05 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

Interesting. It's a directory structure. Is the end of the Google/Dmoz partnership in sight?

Macguru




msg:1530739
 3:05 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

The "about" page [froogle.google.com] is pretty interesting, the merchant page [froogle.google.com] even more! Great find feeder!

How much do I have to pay to be part of Froogle?

Zip. Zero. Nada. Zilch. Nothing. Inclusion in Froogle is absolutely free.


born2drv




msg:1530740
 3:11 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

Wow! That is so cool! I feel very sorry for people selling electronics, golf equipment, or ANYTHING easily catalogable. Thank God I sell customizable more niche products! phew!

You can bet there will be some PPC on top of that too by the way!

feeder




msg:1530741
 3:15 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

It's done by approved feed: [froogle.google.com...]

GoogleGuy




msg:1530742
 3:17 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

danec, check out the "Info for Merchants" page to see how sites that sell something can be included in Froogle. Glad you like it, born2drv. I love searching for esoteric products and finding things. I've already done some holiday shopping there. :)

Macguru




msg:1530743
 3:17 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

How do I advertise on Froogle? [froogle.google.com]

born2drv




msg:1530744
 3:26 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

Beachboy - It shouldn't be an end to DMOZ.... Froogle is only for shopping sites, not informational or regional. Maybe they'll drop 1/2 the DMOZ directory, though and use their own shopping directory portion from Froogle? Would be a nice way to clean up all those rogue DMOZ editors :)

NFFC




msg:1530745
 3:27 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

Killer app, its like a whole new search engine to play with.

If anyone [ecom people] was thinking of taking the weekend off I would reconsider. Froogle is a great name, combine that with the trust that users have with the Google brand and you *may* have the best converting traffic you can get.

As we used to say in our house "first up, best dressed".

Thanks for the heads up feeder

gopi




msg:1530746
 3:31 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

Awsome application , GG ....Finally the rumour ended :)

So when are you gonna put the Froogle tab in your mainpage :)

4crests




msg:1530747
 3:34 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

I see they have grabbed all the Yahoo Shopping results. I have 3 yahoo stores, but only have one listed in Yahoo Shopping and this is the only store that has products listed on Froogle. I wonder how closely they are planning on working with Yahoo on this?

jeremy goodrich




msg:1530748
 3:34 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

froogle - play on the word frugal.

that makes me wonder, googleguy.

Once upon a time a guy came up with the same idea...at an seo firm.

And their name comes up in your search results.

Coincidence? Or what?

pmac




msg:1530749
 3:35 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

This is going to be big.

cindysunc




msg:1530750
 3:42 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

Actually i think this is a bad move. This is what happens when you get too greedy. Google is the best search engine, it should have stayed that way. Whats next, a portal ala Yahoo? It looks like they have joined the affiliate world. I think this opens a big door to other search engines. A lot of people have online business, affiliate sites etc. and have built product pages and paid for PPC, Adwords etc. I'm sure Google will make lots of money in the affiliate arena, so i'm sure they won't mind the loss of PPC, Adwords. There probably will be a big backlash.

NFFC




msg:1530751
 3:42 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

>I see they have grabbed all the Yahoo Shopping results

I think they are taking the easiest route, its only a beta.

What pmac said.

4crests




msg:1530752
 3:46 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)
Hey there is a picture of a FROOGLE on the site that owned the URL before google...

http://web.archive.org/web/20000118140705/www.trustmark.com/froogle/froogle.html

gopi




msg:1530753
 3:49 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

cindysunc , Google clearly states that the results will not include any paid placement....

Accepting datafeed for free is a good decision from google ...Actually i thought before that google will charge money for the feed ( like inktomi ) ...but they proved again that they are not corrupted as other SE's..

I think Affiliates like me should get into the next level of the foodchain...Start an ecomm store :)

oilman




msg:1530754
 3:50 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

If you sell services or custom products that do not have fixed prices, use your website only to promote an offline business, or are an affiliate marketing site, your site content may be crawled by and included in Google's web search, but it will not be included in Froogle. Nor will Froogle accept a data feed under these conditions.

suprise suprise - #@$(@#$*&#@&@!#%*!

GoogleGuy




msg:1530755
 3:53 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

"Killer app, its like a whole new search engine to play with"

I know that several Googlers have worked hard on this--I'm glad to see that people are enjoying playing with it. It's amazing what you can find on it! A friend had looked all over for a Playstation game called "Zanac x Zanac" and gave up. Just took a minute on Froogle to give him a couple good leads. :)

We're always looking for new ways to organize the world's information--this is a great way to explore new ways of processing data on the web.

cindysunc




msg:1530756
 3:55 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

I'm talking about Google becoming a Super Affiliate. After you do a product search i think i see some affiliate encoded links. When you click a link and buy something Google gets a percentage, affiliate marketing. Maybe GoogleGuy can help clarify this? Is Google getting into affiliate marketing? If so, Google is about to put a lot of mom and pop sites out of business. People who have worked for years building sites and home businesses.

oilman




msg:1530757
 3:57 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

>>i think i see some affiliate encoded links

yup - so far I'm not seeing Froogle being too clever about filtering affiliates out (the links I see are definitly not google's) - granted it's still only beta....

cindysunc




msg:1530758
 3:58 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

GoogleGuy are the links when you do a product search Google affiliate links?

gopi




msg:1530759
 3:58 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

No cindysunc , as far as i tested there is no google affiliate url ( some other affiliate urls but hey this is just a beta) ...

Yes there was a theory floated for the last 3-4 months that google will try to become a super affiliate with product search...

But Google proved it wrong ( so far!)

mansterfred




msg:1530760
 4:04 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

dynamic pages have a home..........but, i think they will have a problem with the search results. Tower of Babble comes to mind.

Search on bicycle panniers. 2 of the first 30 pics are bicycle panniers. The other 28 are tents , racks and kid seats.

Problem is keywords. How can they be certain that words in a phrase have anything to do with the picture?

GoogleGuy




msg:1530761
 4:07 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

No, cindysunc, we don't add any affiliate links. I appreciate your concern, but we're not doing that. We also don't charge any fees, or give any preferential treatment in search results, either.

Woz




msg:1530762
 4:09 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

Googleguy, why is Google doing this?

Onya
Woz

Key_Master




msg:1530763
 4:10 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

Great job Google!

cindysunc , Google clearly states that the results will not include any paid placement....

I found a $0.11 Google Adwords in the serps of one key phrase I was searching on. It had something to the effect of - Pay For Click Advertisement preceding the title. Then mysteriously it disappeared and I can't duplicate it.

jeremy goodrich




msg:1530764
 4:12 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

You don't know that a well known SEO firm is in your listings? :)

With a tracking url that has their name + the name of another search engine on it.

Care to restate any of that before you look silly? he he he.

Oh, wait I know - those are CPC ads in the results from the SEO firm and not affiliate links.

So, you are correct - sort of.

[edited by: jeremy_goodrich at 4:13 am (utc) on Dec. 12, 2002]

chiyo




msg:1530765
 4:13 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

Interesting. Webpages. Images. News. now Shops.

It's Google accepting that people have very different reasons for entering those keywords in a search engine box.

If you want to search for information, you may not necessarilly want breaking news.
If you want to search for info, you may not necessarilly want to buy something.
If you want to buy something you may not neccessarily want breaking news and info.

It's just another step in the direction of trying to provide the best results for a given query.

How does this threaten mom and pops cindysunc? Are you talking about affiliate sites?

It might well threaten affiliate sites, but my own view is that the affiliate model is an idea that has reached its peak. Affiliate models worked only while search engines were unable to find the actual source as well as they do now and in the future. I know that many will disagree with me, but the affiliate model, while not ever dying out, will become less viable in the future and has already passed it's "golden age".

For a user, Froogle looks good to me. It seems focused and very good for people doing dedicated searches.

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