| 9:44 am on Jan 27, 2005 (gmt 0)|
rocknbil, I'm with you. I agree 100%. Compassion! Liberty! Equality! Not everybody agrees with us. That's why you and I are morally superior to the others here. :)
| 10:42 am on Jan 27, 2005 (gmt 0)|
>>>>That's why you and I are...
Oops - "you and I" should be "you and me"...
More irony? ;) (Hope the smiley helps)
| 10:55 am on Jan 27, 2005 (gmt 0)|
>> More irony? ;)
According to the page you link to:
They seldom make clear that this rule applies only in the Subject position. The critical grammatical rule, that "I" appears only in the Subject while "me" must be used in all Object positions gets lost in the concern for etiquette....Keep the following mnemonic sentence in mind: "I" am the Subject but the Object is "me." There are no exceptions. Join yourDictionary in the fight to nip this linguistic virus in the bud!
According to the BBC [bbc.co.uk]:
...whether you say you and I or you and me in co-ordinate phrases depends on whether they function as subjects or objects in the sentence:
* You and I should go and speak to Trevor about this matter.
* Trevor has indicated that he wants to interview you and me.
Oh b*gger. :)
| 1:56 pm on Jan 27, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Lol! Don't think I'll ever post again - too paranoid now!
| 4:15 pm on Jan 27, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I have a really simple test for which ("me" or "I") to use before speaking or writing - once you've been using it for a while it's practically instantaneous even in conversation: choose which to use AFTER rethinking the sentence or phrase WITHOUT the conjunction. If "me" makes sense then it's the right one to use. If "I" makes sense,ditto. If both make sense, there's something wrong with your parameters....
In other words, if you're wanting to use "Bill and *** agree on everything except beer", a quick thought will show that "I" is correct, because saying or writing "me agree" obviously isn't right - unless you're pretending to be Gollum or the local orc.
There's a complex system of objects and modifiers and specific rules for all this, but it's not simple to figure out even if you have the leisure to pursue it.... (though I do have to say that Macro's and TheVisitor's links are pretty cogently phrased....)
| 6:40 pm on Jan 27, 2005 (gmt 0)|
TheVisitor, your obvious dislike of the misuse of "your" suggests you'll likely make a mental note of the issues with "you and me" and be cautious about where you use it. We all make mistakes and mistakes are forgivable. What's a shame is that the most English kids coming out of English schools can neither speak nor write coherent English. Arraghh! What's even worse is that they know it and they don't care.
| 10:27 pm on Jan 27, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|What's a shame is that the most English kids coming out of English schools can neither speak nor write coherent English |
That's because they don't read over what they've just written :)
| 9:37 am on Jan 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
It took 16 hours for someone to comment on that! Jeez! Paranoia is running high here. :) I was hoping to entice TheVisitor back, but maybe he gone forever.
| 10:23 am on Jan 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
"To be perfectly honest ...." ---- must mean the person wasn't honest until now.
"To be perfectly Frank ...." ---- I don't even know who Frank is.
"Let me say that ..........." ---- As if my permission was needed to speak.
| 10:31 am on Jan 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
>>To be perfectly honest
Yeah, politician speak; he's playing for time before giving you the BS. Anyone who has to start by explaining he's going to be honest has lost my confidence before he's even reached the point he was going to make.
Or, as they say in New York, "he's lost my confidence already". Why do New Yorkers append "already" to every sentence? That's so er, odd.
Are you going to tell me the time already?
Let's go eat already.
Where's the subway already?
Who is Already?
| 1:43 pm on Jan 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
>>>I was hoping to entice TheVisitor back, but maybe he gone forever
Not gone - just hiding my nose in my grammar guide... But maybe we're all wrong about rules for language, in the sense that "dictionaries shouldn't define usage, they should reflect it"
| 1:58 pm on Jan 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
TheVisitor, I agree. And, they do. But, till they've included a "popular" enough change as "acceptable" - and not qualified it as "colloquial" - it has got to be considered incorrect. Or we'd have no grammar, no rules, and no clear communication online or offline.
If I try hard enough I can start sentences with words other than "and", "but", "or" and "if". "The" OTOH is difficult unless a certain person here changes his alias.
| 2:39 pm on Jan 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
>>>"The" OTOH is difficult unless a certain person here changes his alias
Lol -true. I'd say "use 'TV'" but, as another thread postulates, TV just isn't relevant anymore...
| 2:48 pm on Jan 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Damn, that was going to be my next dig! :)
| 6:33 am on Jan 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
>>I have a really simple test
vkaryl, I have an even simpler test. If it's nominative (including predicate nominative) say "I". If it's dative or accusative, say "me". ;)
| 7:55 am on Jan 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Oh, don't get me started.
My pet peeve? My boss calling me every hour to see if I've made any progress on the project.
| 11:27 am on Jan 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|including predicate nominative |
You say "It is I"? Must be something to do with having been taught Latin. :)
Do you refuse to put a preposition at the end of a sentence as well?
| 11:45 am on Jan 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
>>Do you refuse to put a preposition at the end of a sentence as well?
Haha, reminds me of a joke that might be rendered unfunny because of the swear filter:
A: Where're you going to?
B: Hey dummy, don't you know you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
A: Oh yeah; where're you going to, #*$!? :)
| 12:04 pm on Jan 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|where're you going to, #*$!? |
| 3:57 pm on Jan 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|where're you going to, #*$!? |
Reminds me of a line from a movie - I think it was Lampoon's Christmas.
Little girl: "He was so excited, he was *#!@$# bricks!"
Chevy Chase: "You really shouldn't use that word."
Little girl: "I'm sorry, he was *#!@$# rocks."
| 6:43 pm on Jan 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
To get back to the point of the thread...
Cell phone users, for sure. All of 'em who talk loudly, those who answer the phone amongst the circle in which they were first conversing without excusing themselves, those who insist on driving with it glued to either ear.
If you drive in the right-hand side of the road, you should walk pathways and go thru double doors accordingly. Nothing used to irritate me more in College when classes were changing and folks would exit a building en masse without consideration for those needing to enter.
While a bit more than annoying, are those wannabe Big Foot trucks. You know, it is bad enough seeing one of them coming at you in the opposing lane and envisioning them rolling right over the top of my car. If that isn't bad enough, they install a freakin skid plate so the transition over my car is fluid. You'd think they'd have heard from their Insurance adjuster regarding Contributory Factors should an accident occur. <- BIG peeve here.
Folks who cheat on their significant other. Scum of the Earth.
Child Molesters. Ditto Scum reference.
Bias of any kind. God, I hate that. "My dogs bigger than your dog, my dogs bigger than youurrrrrs. My dogs bigger 'cause he eats Cenal Ration....my dogs bigger than yours."
Door-to-door sales, solicitation.
Reality programming. Blech! Much as I've always respected Boid Kodington's hot rods, the show sucks with bickering and backstabbing. Not the shop I'd wanna have make me a hot-rod.
I love anything with a motor in it. NOPI would be fun to watch if they'd put the nearly naked women away and stay just a bit longer on each camera shot without having the image dancing around. You know, where your brain no sooner registers what it saw, before they edit in another one right behind it. One right after the other. More of a montage than a show. Lemme look at the car, will you?!?
The price of milk.
Bottled Water that costs more per gallon than does gasoline / petrol. Noooo, I don't drink it.
Folks who park in Handicapped Parking Spots without authorization. Pure pigs.
Over the rear-view mirror Handicapped Parking Placards that can go over any mirror and do not identify the one to which the placard was assigned. "Hey Mom? Can I borrow the plagued today?" You've seen them, I know. The really, really healthy looking individual driving that low to the ground import most healthy folks would have trouble getting into using the placards and the parking spot. Whom do they think they are kidding. Cads, one and all.
If I see them, I embarrass them every chance I get. If I don't see them, I'll speak to the manager of whatever store the parking spot is painted for.
Better not delve too deeply into this, or I will have to schedule a session with my therapist. :)
| 6:50 pm on Jan 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
| 7:46 pm on Jan 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|That's why you and I are morally superior . . . |
No superiority here, just on the path . . . .
pendanticist you should rent and watch Paranoia 1.0, it will forever change the way you think about milk. :-)
| 8:19 pm on Jan 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
During one off season ( I was a professional painter for a good number of years ), I was hired into a Quality Check milk producing plant, so I doubt there is much in the film that would disway me. Although I do NOT drink produced Chocolate Milk because of knowing how it is made.
Beside that, I don't drink alcohol anymore and I've removed caffeine from my intake a year ago. Doesn't leave much else to drink, but milk. When I dropped Ice Tea altogether sweet, drinks were out of the question. I'm preparing for tomorrows Yard Sale and the weather man said today is supposed to be sunny and bright. Ok... Then, why is it raining outside now? Telemarketers. People who always ask you: "What time is it?" Time for you to buy a watch. Those who always want to know where 'so-and-so' is: "I don't know, sit down. I'll go look for him / her. Or, if he / she was up your butt, you'd know. People who don't return anything they've borrowed. Those nighbors and such locally, who know squat about a PC asking for your help on a minor issue and then once you've helped they seem to be attached to your hip. Like, because you know it, they should too. Yeah, for a coupla bucks mebe. The neighbor who has yet to teach the family dogs not to bark incessantly at their shadows be it cast by Sun or Moon. Folks who let the family cat run rampant. Those who abuse animals, or any living thing. Those who take advantage of someone, because they can. Selfishness. Class Distinctions. Homophobes. Racists. Those with little or no ethics. Bullies.
<Where's that med cart!?!>
| 8:37 pm on Jan 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
pendanticist gets worked up over the big stuff. It's the little stuff that gets me, such as subject/verb disagreement [webmasterworld.com].
| 9:32 pm on Jan 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
lawman? I'd be ok, if they'da just not pluralized the thread title....really I would be ok. <G>
| 9:47 pm on Jan 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
The annoying paperclip in Microsoft Office.
The MS grammar checker telling me that a sentence is
in a passive voice. Whats wrong with a passive voice?
Not having a spell checker to spell check webmaster posts. (Im not illiterate, my grade 1 thru 8 grammar teacher was insane. Really, its not a joke.)
| 7:03 pm on Feb 4, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|so I doubt there is much in the film that would disway me. |
Oh it's not about contamination or turning you off from milk. No spoilers, you have to see it and you'll understand. :-)
| 5:38 am on Feb 5, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Unrighteous indignation that seems so rampant.
Examples: cellphone drivers that put their phone down long enough to give you the finger after you honk at them for drifting into your lane.
Customers who become belligerent when calling to inform you they are coming 20 minutes after closing and you tell them no.
People who act as if they have never been charged sales tax before, and pitch a fit as if you personally levied it.
People who show up late in the day and are angry that we are too busy serving others who came before them and won't drop everything right then and there.
People who throw litter on the ground mere feet froma trash can, and actually threaten you when called on it.
Look what you've done... time for the wobbly pop. LOL
| 5:24 pm on Feb 14, 2005 (gmt 0)|
People asking one of the following:
Q: Can I borrow a cigarette?
No one ever gives them back after they've borrowed one
Q:Do you have an extra cigarette?
As far as I know my pack came with 20 as it always does, so no I don't have an extra.
| 9:08 pm on Feb 14, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Cellphone users who call you when they are downstairs instead of ringing the doorbell... all cellphones, people who think that driving and holding a cellphone at just the right angle to block all peripheral vision on that side is a good idea.
Wifi in cafes, people pretending to work at their laptops in said places.
This whole idea that saving a few seconds is somehow important in your life, and that immediate gratification is a good thing.
People who think that language is static and has 'correct' useage. For example, if enough people start using alot instead of a lot, it's no longer wrong. People who mistake basic dialect and vocalization techniques [like pronouncing ask ax] for error and ignorance. Try taking a class on linguistics. For example, northwestern USA accent forces the mouth to add an 'r' between wa and sh, creating warsh, but it's not possible to say that with that accent without the 'r'.
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