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Who does one tip?
Today I am having some hardwood floors installed. Is it appropriate to tip the two workers? Is it expected? They are contracted by the flooring company.
Also, do you tip when you order food for takeout? Occasionally, I call ahead to order from sit-down type restaurants to take the food home. On the credit card bill is a line for tip. Am I supposed to tip here?
>appropriate to tip the two workers?<
Nah, I wouldn't. Offer them something to drink or a snack, they arent expecting a tip.
>tip when you order food for takeout?<
No, I rarely would in that instance.
I have a friend who is a contractor. He's never gotten a tip that I know of, but he'd be thrilled if someone gave one to him! ;) In other words, if you want to keep up appearances, no tip is necessary. But, if you just want to make the guys happy, go for it!
I'm wiht Mathew on this one.
I only ever tip if someone goes over and above the call of duty.
In the UK it's become "customary" to tip black cab drivers. I consider that hogwash. I'll tip a cab driver if he pulls some mad dog/illegal road manouvre to get me to my destination quicker - otherwise, nada!
Same with all services in my view. Either you like the guy and just want to make his day, or he really does his utmost to do you a great job above and beyond what he really needed to do. That, in my opinion, is worth a tip.
I'm the same with restaurants - I'm not going to tip the waiter/ress unless they make me feel like tipping them. I don't agree with this "customary" nonesense.
|On the credit card bill is a line for tip |
That's only there because in a resturant, they only have one standard CC form. If they accept tips anywhere, you will have the tip line no matter what you buy. Takeout is not expected to tip.
You the kind of tipping that bugs me? Coffee shops. You know, Starbucks and such. Why should I give anyone a tip for slinging coffee? I've worked in several coffee shops and I can tell you for a fact that there is no "art" in how most of these places do it. Now, I have seen totally awesome coffee drinks made, but not by your average Starbucks employee.
trillianjedi, I don't know about the UK, but here in the US, if you leave no tip for a waitress they probably wouldn't even let you dine there again. The waitresses make around $2 per hour so their entire wages are based on tips.
|I have a friend who is a contractor |
Yah, no doubt. This is a bit different as they are not really contractors, rather hired labor working for small wages
|Takeout is not expected to tip. |
not necessarily. Keep in mind that someone has to take the order & pack all that food up too. it can be a lot of work when it's really busy. you may not need to tip as much as you would a waiter, but a little extra is never bad on take out.
|The waitresses make around $2 per hour |
Thankfully that's not (quite) the case in the UK. I've never understood how this is even legal in the US, and I certainly wouldn't be a waitress there. I know, people say, 'oh well they can make lots of money in tips' but that's beside the point. Why should the restaurant owner get practically free labour?
Actually, the wages have to be at least minimum wage ($5.75/hr now, isn't it?). But, at some establishments, tips count toward the wage. In other words, if you get $3.00 this hour in tips, you only get paid 2.75 for that hour from your employer. If tips are low, the employer has to pay more. If tips are high, he has to pay less. But it has to add up to at least mimimum wage.
Then there are other places that are more honest. For instance, a friend of mine once worked in a pizza place. He got $8.00 per hour, plus his tips. A much better deal! ;)
i worked as a waiter and bartender for a long time. tips can be so good that i would work for no wage. i always tip the server, even if the service isn't great. the only time i wouldn't tip is if the server intentionally tried to make my dining experience unpleasant. on takeout, it depends how busy the restaurant is, and the tip would be rather small--$2-$3 for an order.
i've also worked as a contractor, rarely any tips here, it was never expected, a cold beer/soda or hot tea would be just fine.
when i was in manila, philippines, everyone expected a tip--i had 6 guys try to carry my bag 12 feet from my hotel to the jeepney. vacation tipping is always different.
Here's one I haven't seen in the thread yet.
I've moved a few times recently, and both times I thought my team of movers (four guys each time) did an excellent job. I ended up tipping each guy about $20 (US) to thank them for a job well done.
I'm with TrillianJedi and HelenDev. Tips should be extra to a respectable wage and only given if the customer is impressed beyond expectations.
I watched the whole argument at the beginning of Reservoir Dogs and I agree that anybody should be tipped whose wage doesn't even compensate for a basic standard of living.
[edited by: lawman at 1:21 am (utc) on May 18, 2004]
|i always tip the server, even if the service isn't great. |
the only time i wouldn't tip is if the server intentionally tried to make my dining experience unpleasant.
I find that utterly, competely and totally ridiculous and backwards! If a waitor intentionally tried to make my dining experience unpleasant, then I'm leaving and the restaurant isn't getting paid *at all*.
Clearly there is a difference here between the UK and the US. If a waitor/ress wants to take a job below minimum wage in the *expetancy* of being tipped, then they should bloody well work for it, and make my dining experience a good one(as best they can). That can be as simple as a smile. If I get a grumpy waitress who's slow and unhelpful, irrespecitve of whether or not she's on $2 an hour, she's not getting a tip from me.
Give me one good reason why I should?
I have no doubt that a lot of waitors/resses do very well out of tips. I once tipped a waitor £50 (on a meal costing £120) because the guy was just so damn fantastic in the level of service he gave (and personally pursuaded the chef to stay behind to cook the souffle that I ordered at 11:45pm by offering to also stay behind and help him clean up the kitchen!). That's service. That deserves a serious tip.
I frankly don't care whether the waitor earns $2 an hour, or $200 an hour. If they actually need to get tipped, then give me service, or go do something else.
I'm not that fussy though, a smile, some help if I can't decide what to order and prompt and polite service (which is above the duty of 1. take an order and 2. go get food) will usually get 10% out of me.
|trillianjedi, I don't know about the UK, but here in the US, if you leave no tip for a waitress they probably wouldn't even let you dine there again. The waitresses make around $2 per hour so their entire wages are based on tips. |
If I were a restaurant, I would not employ a waitor that gave bad service to my customers.
If the customer is, in terms of remuneration, to all intents and purposes the employer, then I do not see that making any real difference. I still wouldn't pay them.
Just seems to me you guys are getting blackmailed, which is a market oppurtunity for restaurants offering good service in my opinion.
If we have pubcon in Vegas, you better loosen up those wallets. Its serious tipping culture there.. even the guy who opens the door for your cab expects a buck.
I tip well for good service, and tip on consistent service at my usual haunts. When I can walk in and my drink is at my table before I am, that's pretty nice. Perks of living above the pub I guess.
I think the most influential variable in foodstuffs tipping is sexual attractiveness of the server - pretty sure I read that a long time ago in school, don't ask me for the journal article.
|even the guy who opens the door for your cab expects a buck. |
Really? I want to see his door-opening technique! >;->
|loosen up those wallets [...] even the guy who opens the door for your cab expects a buck. |
Hah! My wallet never shuts tighter than when some pushy twit tries to guilt me out of a tip for doing something I didn't want done in the first place! In places like that, I go out of my way to lunge for the door before anyone in a hotel uniform goes near it... with my luggage in-hand, in case someone wants money for trying to carry it.
If I go into a restaurant, of course I expect to be waited on, and if the waitress does a decent job, I tip well. However, I do not want, ask for OR pay for any kind of bag-carry/door-open/windshield-wash-at-the-stoplight unsolicited services.
|I find that utterly, competely and totally ridiculous and backwards! If a waitor intentionally tried to make my dining experience unpleasant, then I'm leaving and the restaurant isn't getting paid *at all*. |
i wouldn't pay the restaurant in that situation either
|Give me one good reason why I should? |
tipping is part of our culture--U.S. anyway. if servers were being paid over minimum wage they would make a killing. even if you told people not to tip they still would. then people might lose the motivation to become webmasters and just become waiters--ok, that's a stretch.
like i said earlier, i wouldn't stiff a server unless the service was horrible. i would, however, leave less than the customary 15% if my server was grumpy and not going out of his/her way to make my dining/drinking experience hospitable.
i know when a server is slacking, i've been in the restaurant biz for 12 years. i used to manage a neighborhood bar/restaurant and if people consistently didn't tip, they weren't treated as well.(no spitting in food or the like, that is dispicable) that's the way it works, bad tipper, not-so-good service. it's like natural selection, all the undesirable non-tippers seem to go away after a while.
when i worked behind the bar it was always service with a smile--same with my servers. that's your job, put on a @#$%&%$ smile look like you are happy to be there. but, when it comes down to the tipper and the non-tipper the guy that tips will always get his drink first.
sidenote: i hate when you walk up to a bar and the bartender is gabbing away to the only other person there, or on a cell phone--like their social life is more important than your whiskey. that will shrink a tip down to a couple of quarters.
Before my webmastering/development days I used to work as a waiter!
Now, the going is
Eating In -
Always tip the waiter, either 5% or 10% of the bill unless the service has been added to the bill in this case pay nothing as this is a cheeky way by the boss to raise extra cash.
The chef's often get paid well but its the waiter that serves the customer. Its the waiter that sits you down, handles your complaints, try's to keep everything in order and judge the timing of food relative to drinks arriving at the correct time etc, also watching for signals from your body language to determin if your happy, angry or require something.
Never pay your tip by credit card the waiter may have to wait 6 weeks to get it, or never. Always pay you bill by credit card and then provide the tip on the side.
Take Away -
I never tip, you ooder food and you get it, simple service and product no tip required.
Construction workers and flooring :)
I would not actually tip but if they are working all day in your house I would give them a simple lunch or a few beers at the end(if they did a good job)
Web developer/designer/seo -
Expect nothing and you will live happy :)
I was not sure if I should tip the taxi driver last night. My rule is - if in doubt don't bother :)
|I was not sure if I should tip the taxi driver last night |
I usually just let them keep the change, which isn't normally a lot, but it's a goodwill gesture and saves them time hunting around for change.
Tipping depends on
a) the type of service
b) your locale and local custom
c) whether you're going to use the services again
d) who you are with.
Just like you don't go outside wearing no clothes or because you shower every day, you tip not because you want to but because it's traditional and expected.
Personally, from a pure moral/ethical point of view I can justify not showering a lot easier than I can justify not tipping. However, I guarantee you'll never catch me not doing both..
I personally do a lot of things that people around me think is weird (which I feel generally has a good payoff), but personally the risk versus reward of not tipping just isn't there.
(Is it me or is WebmasterWorld kinda slow these days in terms of interesting threads..)
|(Is it me or is WebmasterWorld kinda slow these days in terms of interesting threads..) |
See supporters forum?
|(Is it me or is WebmasterWorld kinda slow these days in terms of interesting threads..) |
Yes, it's just you. For example, this thread is pure gold [webmasterworld.com].
I have a dollar bill sitting on the table, and make it a challenge for the waiter/waitress to make my dining experience good. If they do something good, I add some money, if they do something bad, I remove money.
Just kidding, but that'd be fun to do. If I did that, they'd probably owe me money, usually waiters and waitresses at the recent restaurants (besides Mandarin Garden, where the person actually remembered me from 8 years ago!) I've been to.
|...I can justify not showering a lot easier than I can justify not tipping. However, I guarantee you'll never catch me not doing both.. |
Well, if you don't shower I think the waitstaff deserves an extra tip... ;)
>better loosen up those wallets
Vegas is the Mecca of tipping...everyone gets at least a buck. ALWAYS tip the dealer;)
My general rules:
15%...20% if great...10% if they suck. Remember, it's not always the waitstaffs fault when food isn't right.
A couple bucks is always nice no matter who you are. I remember one of my first jobs as a bag boy at the local grocery store....it MADE my day the few times I got tipped to carry groceries to the car and pack them up.
Good CS no matter where you are deserves some recognition...whether it is just a positive note for their boss, a buck....or several. Promote good CS by being a good customer :)
Well I'm probably the oldest here, maybe that makes me different?
If you are good:
Two dollars miniumn per person, including Grandkids.
Bring me a slice of pizza and a drink and you get 2 bucks.
Other meals probably 25% to 30%
Places we eat at regular we don't wait for tables, unless they are putting
some together for us.
Everybody says hello, welcome, thank you etc.
Drinks are there or about the time we get seated.
Usally get about the samething and the order is just verified,
we don't go by the menu anyway.
One place we always get little samples etc, kids get free deserts, everybody
waits on us including the manager. Don't know really who our waiter is so whoever
leaves the check gets the tip.
And we 'always' give the tip and a thank you in person.
On the road over half the time they will come back or
catch you leaving and thank you for the tip again.
George - so that's "If you are good", what happens "If you are bad"?
Tipping really is something that people could do without, or do with.
If you tip a waiter who works hard on your table, you should also tip the webdesigner who works hard for your webpage, and the architect who worked hard to give you a great house.
And when you tip the waiter, they aren't even the one who cooked the food. How about tipping the chef for the food, the proprietor for the place being there at all, the interior designer who made for the great atmosphere, the accountant who kept the business afloat, and the heating engineer who made sure you were at just the right temperature?
Tipping under the belief that wages are low is just keeping wages low and turning waiters into beggers. It is demeaning for anyone to have accept charity, especially when they should be paid a fair wage for a job well done.
My decision? I never tip, and I always request not to pay "Discretionary Service Charges" - if they needed them, why would they be discretionary?
I agree totally with your philosophy SofterLogic.
However the fact remains that if I go to a restaurant and don't leave a tip, it makes me look like a tight-fisted git!
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