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USA Power outages
any sites go down?
ams_david




msg:304143
 8:35 pm on Aug 14, 2003 (gmt 0)


CNN is reporting lots of power outages throughout northeast USA. I wonder if any sites have gone down as well...

 

ritualcoffee




msg:304173
 1:07 pm on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have connectivity but my mail servers are down and my site. Half my team is in the NY area...so it looks like I might be taking off early today. :)

Fiver




msg:304174
 1:15 pm on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

I was affected, from about 4:30pm to the middle of the night. All sites restored now.. but it was an experience.

What was surprising, and quite annoying was that many cell phone systems failed. Can't say if it was overload or a dependence on power, but they weren't working. On top of that the fancy bell phone booths didn't know how to accept a quarter without power.. there was a dial tone, but it couldn't produce the tones, so I couldn't even call collect.

on the bright side... this is the least amount of spam I've sat down to in the morning for years.

dragonlady7




msg:304175
 2:29 pm on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Apparently I'm just about the last person to get power back-- Southern Westchester County (20 mi. from mid-Manhattan), power came back on at 8:10 this morning. I had gotten up, puttered, decided the power wasn't coming on, and gone back to bed to plan my day! I'd gotten as far as figuring out what order to eat the food from the fridge in, and was planning all the cleaning I was going to catch up on... Darn it!

I'm one of three people at my office. Power's up, Internet's up, servers are working, but nobody's showed up yet. Sigh...
I bet I could've just not showed up and nobody would've held it against me. All I can hope for is karma points for showing up when the boss hasn't even come in yet...

There was a festival atmosphere last night. Bars were open by candlelight and lots of counting money by hand and scrounging the video game machines for quarters to give out as change because the register was stuck shut. Beers were cold, though-- big tubs of ice. The taps stayed cold until about 9:30, but after that they were too warm to drink unless you were willing to drink beer with ice in it.
Nice Blitz spirit, lots of people with candles and accoustic guitars.
I felt bad for those stranded in subways and elevators, but apparently they were all pulled out safely, and most people were pretty good-humored about it all.

You kind of wish these benign disasters would happen more often because they do remind us to talk to our neighbors once in a while, to open our windows and turn out the lights and look at the stars for once.

seth_wilde




msg:304176
 2:47 pm on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

"I was just listening Denver may be off for at least another day."

We haven't had any power problems in Denver (we're on the west coast power grid)

rogerd




msg:304177
 2:51 pm on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

after that they were too warm to drink

Our Brit members might have been able to keep on enjoying them for some time... :) My daughter lives in Brooklyn, but ended up spending the night at a co-worker's apartment in Manhattan. Subways will be the last things to be powered up, I guess... they said 6 - 9 hours after power was fully restored.

dragonlady7




msg:304178
 3:02 pm on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

>too warm to drink

Well. Certain beers you just don't want to drink warm. Mostly, American beers. They're just not designed for it. Bleh.
I had a couple of Heinekens that were so so so cold and frosty. Brr! It was great. And the breeze from the back stoop where the more drunken bar patrons were sitting outside was quite pleasant.

I don't imagine the subways will be running for a while. I'm sure they're not going to even start powering them up until they're totally sure the power's not going down again. I sure wouldn't want to be on one if the power was dodgy! They're scary enough.

peterdaly




msg:304179
 3:03 pm on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

My sites are mostly up, but we have an MCI frame relay connection that is down due to the outage. It's apparently a problem with MCI's frame network.

I live in Syracuse, NY. I had power back on at my house by 10pm. Some areas around here never lost power.

-Pete

wkitty42




msg:304180
 3:13 pm on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

On top of that the fancy bell phone booths didn't know how to accept a quarter without power.. there was a dial tone, but it couldn't produce the tones, so I couldn't even call collect.

and they've probably also eliminated the old pulse dialing capabilities... with pulse dialing, all it is is closing and opening a switch... remember those old rotary dial phones? remember how there were times that people would be hitting the switchhook many times and then start talking to the operator?

well, they'd hit the switchhook (at least) ten times... that was the exact same thing as dialing zero for the operator... with proper timing and counting, one can dial most anywhere... but the system must handle pulse dialing...


lift handset
press, release
press, release
press, release 5
press, release
press, release
pause
press, release
press, release
press, release 5
press, release
press, release
pause
press, release
press, release
press, release 5
press, release
press, release
pause
press, release 1
pause
press, release 2
press, release
pause
press, release 1
pause
press, release 2
press, release

what city, please?
new york
what listing, please
anyone with lights and electricity!

:o:);)

Fiver




msg:304181
 4:58 pm on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

lift handset
press, release

I tried a little 'tappa, tappa, tappa', but to no avail. I was considering trying to voice some 'beep, beep' stuff into it, but I'm sure I wouldn't get the DTFM signals quite right.

wkitty42




msg:304182
 5:37 pm on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

the only other thing would be on of those li'l items from radio shack and other electronics places... its a handheld DTMF unit that you put to the mouthpiece and press the buttons... they were originally for being able to do your credit card calls and such without having to hit the buttons... so you couldn't be spied on at the airport and such... dial the number, put the device to the mouthpiece and hit the macro button to send the number and away you went...

anyway, most of them, TTBOMK, are still able to be operated manually... if you had dialtone and ten tappa's didn't work, that's about the only other thing i can think of...

you're right in that you would likely not get the tones correct... they are actually a combination of two tones... each row has a tone and each column has a tone... the combination of the two tells the telco which button you are pushing ;)

dragonlady7




msg:304183
 6:05 pm on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Wow, phone phreakers. Before my time, man.

jbinbpt




msg:304184
 6:15 pm on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

THis was the first day that I can remember that there were ZERO junk fax's. Fax spammers out of power I hope......

wkitty42




msg:304185
 6:44 pm on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

ROTFLMAO, dragonlady!

no, what i described isn't/wasn't phone phreaking... that's done "deeper" in the system... similar type stuff, though, with the tones... not able to be done in this day in time... not like it was then...

who remembers the first phone phreaker?

what was his real name?

what was handle/nickname?

how did he get it?

jsinger




msg:304186
 6:57 pm on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Years ago I played with phones. Discovered it was possible to talk to other kids "over the busy signal."

You'd phone yourself to get a busy signal. Then you'd yell 'hello!' loud and sometimes others would reply. Somehow busy signals were connected together but I never understood the mechanism.

Tried to build an audio filter to get rid of the loud busy signal tones.

Boring childhood.

Several years later, there was a local newspaper article about the practice. But I and a few friends did it first

Ally_Cat




msg:304187
 7:01 pm on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

"who remembers the first phone phreaker?"

steven something? Woznick? or was he just the most prominent...

Ally_Cat




msg:304188
 7:02 pm on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

"what was handle/nickname?"

Captain Crunch? (or something like that)

wkitty42




msg:304189
 7:06 pm on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Ally_Cat wrote:
"who remembers the first phone phreaker?"
steven something? Woznick? or was he just the most prominent...

nope... Steve "the Woz" Wozniak was one of the founders of Apple Computers... yes, they did get into trouble with blueboxes and such but the Woz is not this character...

[edited by: wkitty42 at 7:07 pm (utc) on Aug. 15, 2003]

juniperwasting




msg:304190
 7:06 pm on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Taught by a man named "Dennie"

wkitty42




msg:304191
 7:09 pm on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Ally_Cat wrote:
"what was handle/nickname?"
Captain Crunch? (or something like that)

yes, this person's handle/nickname is/was Captain Crunch...

still waiting for someone to come up with how he got this name... ;)

juniperwasting




msg:304192
 7:10 pm on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Here is a little off topic history

http:**//student.dcu.ie/~cannonk3/hackers/essay1.html

juniperwasting




msg:304193
 7:11 pm on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Cap'n Crunch wistle he kept in his pocket that when the 3rd hole was covered would emit the perfect 2600hz pitch...

Ally_Cat




msg:304194
 7:13 pm on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Ooohhh...

It had something to do with a plastic whistle that came in the cereal box, didn't it?

Fiver




msg:304195
 7:54 pm on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

hahaha, the coveted whistle. I remember that.

damn I feel old for a young guy.

Ally_Cat




msg:304196
 8:07 pm on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'm only 23 - I have no legitimate excuse for knowing any of this stuff. ;)

dragonlady7




msg:304197
 8:13 pm on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'm almost 24 (birthday in about 10 days, actually-- holy crap) so I don't really have any business knowing about any of it. I just know some of my slightly older friends remember the big kids in their geeky high schools talking about it. Entertaining. :D

mivox




msg:304198
 8:36 pm on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

I picked up an old dial phone at the dump. Came in handy the other day when the power went out and disabled our cordless... and it was sooo funny to hear an actual bell ringing when the power company called to check when our power came back on.

Wow. I haven't heard a phone actually *ring* in I-don't-know-how-many years... I'll have to try that clicking the cradle buttons trick. That's nifty. :)

(Yep, here in the middle-of-nowhere Alaska, the power goes out for no more than a few hours, and the power company calls you back to make sure when it's come back on... hehehe)

wkitty42




msg:304199
 9:45 pm on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

juniperwasting,

correct... it was the toy whistle that captain crunch cereal gave away...

'nother question... what was the second whistle that was also used for phreaking?

wkitty42




msg:304200
 9:47 pm on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

i'm in my 40's and never did any of it but i know about it... wasn't until after it was pretty much all over before i really learned all about it... i've forgotten more than i remember...

still waiting on someone to say what captain crunch's real name is/was...

wkitty42




msg:304201
 9:50 pm on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

mivox,

i keep a few of those around for those times when the electronic stuff just doesn't cut it... with your own two wires, a 9volt battery and two of those old style phones, you can set up your very own private comm link... it's not hooked into anything other than the two wires and the battery... kinda like the two cans and a string ;)

geez, someone needs to come up with the last two answers and we can end this off topic topic :o :)

coconubuck




msg:304202
 10:01 pm on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'm 23 and I watched a cable TV show about it, it looked pretty interesting until they got arrested.

juniperwasting




msg:304203
 10:19 pm on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

That link I posted on #50 will give you the history of all the phreaking. Names, handles, the Woz Jobs connection....

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