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Google penalty - Does Google spider this
Help needed urgently - please advise!

 4:18 pm on Dec 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

Today I got a PR penalty and lost my PR 1. I believe I was punished for heavily interlinking those three pages [webmasterworld.com]. Each page had about fifty links to the two other pages and about 200 links to itself.

I have a forth page on the site but that page has a URI like .pl.php.cgi.jsp.asp.htm.cfm?name=%f0&g=&template=16637.2467%fg.sjkf. It is built by five perl scripts which access two mysql databases and three oracle ones. The output is then parsed by PHP which calls a JavaServerPage. Now I believe this forth page is not included since Google probably does not know the password to the database and might ignore PHP sections in my JSP code.

Please advise.



creative craig

 4:25 pm on Dec 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

Have you tried emailing Google the password.. send one email for every . in the URL in question:


best round that up to 20 just to be sure :)



 4:31 pm on Dec 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

The problem is that those perl scripts hide the password from me. I tried to reason with them but they are afraid that I will replace them with PHP scripts once I get to know the password.

Don´t you think Frontpage could help?

creative craig

 4:40 pm on Dec 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

Just a question of coaxing it out of the little buggers!

Have you asked Frontpage?


 4:45 pm on Dec 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

I tried but Frontpage said I had to activate WinXP first.

I´m thinking about obtaining a court order against those scripts now. But I doubt that I will have standing in a German court. Perhaps lawman could let us know whether I would be more successful in the US.

jeremy goodrich

 4:46 pm on Dec 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

Here's what you do:

Add in one more db call ( I know, you have 5 already) and insert from the db (this is important) a reference to Google.

Then, you must re-install all the extra FrontPage tags into your pages ...I know, spiders have a hard time with these, but it's the way Google works.

Remember, as long as your perl pages call the php, and then those reformat the Javaserverpages, you should be fine.

But - if you don't include the malformed HTML, you won't get in...and don't worry about emailing Google the password, they alreay got it from the 500 error your server gave out last time, when the message read, "please contact the server administrator, username root password enter".



 4:53 pm on Dec 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

I think you are missing a good Flash splash page that links all the pages together. Make sure that the links are in the flash movie. Put them at the end of your 4 min presentation. Also work on getting those FFA links. I here they work wonders on getting a quick spider.


 4:54 pm on Dec 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

Thanks a lot Jeremy.

Add in one more db call ( I know, you have 5 already) and insert from the db (this is important) a reference to Google.

Do I need to use the template parameter from the query string for that? I just tried it without and got that 500 error. Funny thing that I never saw it before. I did not believe you at first that the server would give away the password that easily. But now that I see it for myself.

I just checked my listing in Google but there was no change yet. Hasn´t the update started yet? It should have after I made these all important changes.


 4:59 pm on Dec 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

Flash I didn´t even consider that. But it is a great open human readable standard, isn´t it. But do you really think that will help remove the penalty for interlinking?

As for the FFA links pages they always reply FFABNFU to my link requests, that´s free for all but not for you BTW. Do I need to talk flash to them as well?


jeremy goodrich

 5:08 pm on Dec 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

The update started - i can see your site moving!

Wait - the yahoo backlinks haven't changed - but there are differences in the serps -

just check out this keyword: asdfasdlfjasdlfja;sdkfjalsdfjalsdf

See the movement on the different datacenters?

Oh, and for flash - Korkus, you'll need to help him, there.


 5:25 pm on Dec 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

Have you considered multi-lingual ALT TAGS


 5:28 pm on Dec 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

Like this:

<alt lang="en" value="IMPORTANT KEYWORD"/>
<alt lang="de" value="WICHTIGES SCHLÜSSELWORT" />

That looks like it might help.

Thanks a lot Mike.


 2:52 am on Dec 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

Have you tried setting all of your content blocks to DIR=RTL and then typed in all of your keywords backwards?


 9:29 am on Dec 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

Have you tried setting all of your content blocks to DIR=RTL and then typed in all of your keywords backwards?

This is clearly an example of content block spamming which is certain to earn you a PR<pi> penalty.


 12:04 pm on Dec 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

Maybe you are blocked by Google's SafeSearchtm? Try replacing your images with JavaScript-generated ASCII art.

I think you misunderstood Mike's advice about bilingual ALT tags: you should write them in Perl and VisualBasic - these are the languages the spider understands.


 1:27 pm on Dec 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

For those struggling with SSL (spider as a second language) I've just finished my Arachnish™ 2.0 tutorial.

Since it's against the ToS to post URLs here, just do a search at Google for www.Arachnish.com and click on the 3rd site listed.
(please ignore listings 1 and 2 as they are owned by unscrupulous multi-hyphenated-domain-name spammers)


 2:23 pm on Dec 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

Nice legwork, Dante :)

Actually you're only number 3 if you click the "search Arachnish pages" radio button first.
Maybe Andreas should add some links to your competition so that his bad PR will leak over to those unscrupulous multi-hyphenated-domain-name spammers?


 2:25 pm on Dec 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

<secret weapon>Submit to Google daily. I here the more you submit the more it boosts your PR.</secret weapon>

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