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How many times do you re-boot your PC each day?
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engine

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Msg#: 3646 posted 4:59 pm on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

The dreaded blue screen of system hanging. The only solution - re-boot.

Memory leakage appears to be a problem, too.

About five or six times a day to re-boot is normal and I've come to accept it as a fact of computer life.

Am I getting off lightly, or do you have the same problem?

 

wolfy

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Msg#: 3646 posted 2:11 pm on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

I normally reboot once or twice a day depending on which programs I'm using, my OS is WinME.
When I use Web Trends first time I must reboot and then I can have my log analysis done.

Inhibit

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Msg#: 3646 posted 4:09 pm on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

Out of my two local machines, the desktop gets rebooted about once a week when I need to take the HDD out for backup and the server only reboots once month or two for hardware changes. Currently the server's on Gentoo 1.4rc-1 and the desktop's running 'Drake 9.0. Not too shabby with the server doing NFS shares for media, Apache, sshd, local java/html based CDRW serving, and all user home directories for people on the road.

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Msg#: 3646 posted 4:31 pm on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

Desktop - gets rebooted when I want to try out a new kernel. (Linux) Crashes do not happen.

server - I don't try out new kernels so often. Not in the past 163 days, it seems, which is roughly how long I've lived here :)

Win2k box at work - I used to have to reboot it at least once, sometimes twice a day. (Work days are only four hours, not eight.) Now I shut it off when I leave and power it on again when I get in, and sometimes have to re-boot in the middle. It doesn't blue-screen, it just becomes so dog-slow that I don't see any result from a click for a full minute, and then it only *starts* rendering any change to the display. It might take a full five to bring a window to the top. If aynone else used the machine before I got in, I might as well reboot it before I bother logging in.

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Msg#: 3646 posted 5:03 pm on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

I went front 3-6 crashes a day to none by doing only one thing - switching from dial-up access to cable modem access. I dont know why, but it made a huge difference. The Win98 machine is way, way more stable now.

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Msg#: 3646 posted 5:12 pm on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi astounded,

Can you please tell us wich browser is default for you?

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Msg#: 3646 posted 6:31 pm on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

Because of Linux's modular design it is nearly impossible to crash a computer. Even if the windowing system locked up it is easy to slip into a command line and kill a specific application. I've never had to reboot a Linux computer because of a lockup.

I do shut my computer down though, electricity is expensive in California these days.

[edited by: littleman at 6:37 pm (utc) on Nov. 15, 2002]

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Msg#: 3646 posted 6:33 pm on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

XP is amazingly crash free - once it is up and running.

But moving over your favourite programs (and e-commerce site/software) from Win 98 is an experience that I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy - but if you can afford the private mental health aftercare - go for it!

For heaven's sake though, keep at least one 98/ME computer running - you'll need it to find the fixes on the INet

WebManager



 
Msg#: 3646 posted 6:41 pm on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

Ref: Moving to XP - this excellent site

[kellys-korner-xp.com ]

solved many of my problems.

(I have no affiliation whatsoever - it is a superb resource)

ericrolph

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Msg#: 3646 posted 6:45 pm on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

I have to reboot my machine once every three weeks on average using Mac OS 10.2. I can't remember the last time my machine "froze" or experienced a kernal panic, but may have happened twice in the last six months.

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Msg#: 3646 posted 7:05 pm on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

I also have 98 & ME machines that I have to reboot more often - maybe every few days to once a week - but what I DO have to do is kill an app named MDM a few times a day! This is Microsoft Debug Manager, and I detect a major slowing of the PC's performance when this is present. Task Manager tells me it's not responding when I tell it to close. As soon as I blow this thing away, performance is back to normal. Within a few hours (or minutes), though, it comes back, and must be killed again. Anyone know what's triggering this app?

WebManager



 
Msg#: 3646 posted 7:13 pm on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

Rogerd

Go to a microsoft.public.relevant

newsgroup.

yezariael

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Msg#: 3646 posted 7:21 pm on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

I wonder what kind of hardware you buy (or do you buy your computers out of the box?)

I run Win98 SE and it crashes like 3-4 times a year.

IE locks up sometimes but when i kill Explorer every browser window closes and all is fine again..

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Msg#: 3646 posted 8:24 pm on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

Wow - I guess I'm lucky then. I have only received the Dreaded Blue Screen twice, and that was when I was running 98se. I upgraded to ME, increased RAM to 256 and have not had a problem since; over a year. I only use IE6. My browser testing is done from other computers.

My machine stays on 16 hours a day and I restart only occasionly when needed to install software.

Michael Weir

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Msg#: 3646 posted 11:37 pm on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

My windows XP has never given me the B.S.O.D thankfully. What I get is different - equally annoying, but different. My computer simply FREEZES - no CTRL+ALT+DEL...nothing..the mouse won't even move. My sony VAIO doesn't even have a reset button - and when this happens the ON/OFF switch doesn't respond. I am forced to turn off my surge protecter for a few moments, then turn it back on to get everything up and running again. Not sure if this is M$ or Sony....

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Msg#: 3646 posted 1:09 am on Nov 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

As a desktop publisher and web designer, I run a sophisticated group of programs. It is not uncommon for me to run Word, Excel, Dreamweaver, Coldfusion, Photoshop and Illustrator all at one time! And I can say that since I've installed XP lock-ups are a pretty much a thing of the past. As best I can remember, lock ups have occurred but 2 or 3 times in an entire year. However I must say that some of the installation headaches were severe but now that every part of my system is certified XP compatible - life is good.

-Jon

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Msg#: 3646 posted 1:52 am on Nov 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

I have linux:

-workstations: 2 total freezes in 4 years [and dunno if that was a software or hardware issue :)]

-server: 0 crashes/freezes/forced-reboots in 4 years.

cminblues

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Msg#: 3646 posted 6:19 am on Nov 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

I have had a computer at home for nearly ten years now, since 1993, and I use it extensively. I have upgraded the hardware twice in that time, but I have had zero - that's 0, not one - crashes.

I run Linux (since kernel 0.99pl14) and I've been lucky - I just wish my Linux server at work was that stable, it's suffering from some kind of weird bug involving netatalk and an ethernet card driver.

WebManager



 
Msg#: 3646 posted 4:36 pm on Nov 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

Danny

Have you actually *installed* anything on your computer in the last ten years?

Do you keep it in the attic?

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Msg#: 3646 posted 4:52 pm on Nov 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hey danny, how about giving us some specs on your computer.

lawman

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Msg#: 3646 posted 4:57 pm on Nov 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

My oldest baby is from 1984. Boots faster than anything you can buy this year.

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Msg#: 3646 posted 5:38 pm on Nov 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

If you have a clean install of windows 98 / 2000 / XP on which you have installed software from some reputable companies and NOT uninstalled any applications I would expect you to receive a blue screen VERY RARELY!

Under windows 98 / 2000 there are bugs with uninstalling software, which can render your system unstable.

Basically, if the creater of your software has done a good job of the installation (which actually requires knowledge and experience even when using installshield express), the uninstall facility should be ok. If not, well you know the rest......

Ingredients for a stable system:
1) Only EVER install software from a major reputable company
2) Even so, do not uninstall if you can help it
3) Always shut your machine down properly

When you purchase a PC, after installing your core applications do a backup (disk to disk with Norton ghost is best) - then you have stable environment which you can fall back on (have you noticed that systems are almost always totally stable until you've had them for a while).

Oh, and always do a backup BEFORE installing major microsoft system updates. These can cause horrendous problems, due to additional software which you have installed on your PC.

If your system is currently frequently bluescreening, I recommend you do the same as me - rebuild from scratch!

Have fun :)

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Msg#: 3646 posted 6:34 pm on Nov 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

Okay, my recent systems:
Windows 2000, two crahes, both times my hard drive failed, one of those weird things, but they were close enough together that the one backup was good enough.
Windows 98, a crash every two weeks, mostly related to IE, kept it clean, reinstalled it every year or so.
Windows XP, on a laptop, no crashes for the past four months, at home, two crashes in six months, but four family members use the same pc and it seems to have only happened when a few had programs open and running at the same time, using the fast user switching.
In the old days with Windows 95, crash a day atleast, and I have used a couple other crappy machines with 98 on them, but they were used hard and heavy for awhile before that started.

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Msg#: 3646 posted 12:55 am on Nov 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

home with Win 98SE...maybe twice on a really bad day...most days not at all

at work with Win 2k...I've had to reboot around 5 times in the 9 months I've had the workstation...3 due to Easy CD Creator...2 due to badly set up web sites

Axacta

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Msg#: 3646 posted 7:07 am on Nov 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

Running ME on my desktop, and until I installed a new wireless network last week, it had been relatively trouble-free for the past year or so.

Martinibuster is right - do the msconfig and empty your sys-tray at startup (non-esentials only of course), especially the MS Office Startup - it really robs resourses.

I also find cleaning out the RAM with the three-finger-salute after a lot of printing or other hardware related activities helps keep it stable and fast.

bobriggs

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Msg#: 3646 posted 7:20 am on Nov 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

Win2K on a compaq pro workstation. It never has had any problems - I could run this thing for years, so it seems.

However, I have run across a clone that's running Win2K. I know there are issues about using hardware that is not supported. I'm still not sure if this is any hardware<==>software issue, but this thing just freezes about twice/day. I'm willing to bet it's the hardware. AMD processor.

Overall, with the advent of Win2K and XP, looks like BSOD is becoming less prevalent, even though there are a lot of security issues that haven't been taken care of.

I'll use the MS products here, but I still will only have my sites hosted on Unix/Linux servers.

WebManager



 
Msg#: 3646 posted 4:37 pm on Nov 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

Does this thread belong in WebmasterWorld - it is interesting but looks more technical/hardware to me.

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Msg#: 3646 posted 5:07 pm on Nov 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

Does this thread belong in WebmasterWorld - it is interesting but looks more technical/hardware to me.

FOO Charter:

Posting Topics:
Miscellaneous topics (Especially computer and Internet-related!) not covered in other WebmasterWorld forums. A virtual back-corner cafe table for general net shop talk with fellow members.

Sometimes we even talk about whether frozen beer is ok to drink. :)

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Msg#: 3646 posted 12:25 am on Nov 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

Windows XP Pro, 800Mhz PIII, 512MB RAM

Virtually NEVER locks up. Maybe twice in three months. Never seen the blue screen though.

If you're dealing with that kind of mess, definitely plop down the $199, spend an afternoon, and upgrade to XP. It's worth the time and money.

budterm

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Msg#: 3646 posted 12:43 am on Nov 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

Running Windows Millenium on a Toshiba laptop. Have to reboot every day or two. Moved from Windows 98 on a Dell desktop where I had to reboot several times a day.

Usually it is a memory problem, not a blue screen. In Windows 98, it was caused by MS Word and by IE. On Millenium, it's caused by IE I believe, because not using Word very much.

But there is a much more annoying thing which is sooner or later going to make me bite the bullet and port everything over to Linux: every 10th "get" or so, IE goes into hibernation and does nothing for 30-90 seconds. It's not busy chatting on the network or downloading pages or anything ... the little network icon sits patiently with no blinking lights. Then, the lights finally start blinking and the page loads. I have probably already lost more productive time than if I had taken the day or two to move everything to Linux!

I used to use NT 4.0 and it was rock solid... so I suspect Win 2K is as well.

alxdean

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Msg#: 3646 posted 12:54 am on Nov 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

Ok, not kidding here.
Am running a 166MMX AT antique dating back to the early nineties. (not sure to the exact date as it was a second hand when I got it in 98) running W2K, IIS and SQL Server 2000 on 64MB EDO Ram.
reboot about once a fortnight and that only when I try to open 5 IE windows, outlook,SQL Enterprise Manager, Visual inter dev and windows Media player at the same time.

Fair enough, last rebuild from scratch was about 5 months ago. So I'd go along with shady's advice.
if you don't need it, don't install it.
if you do need it, make sure you have a clean system backup from before the install.
clean up manually after uninstalls. the amount of garbage some of these programs leave behind in the registry is shameful.

alxdean

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Msg#: 3646 posted 12:58 am on Nov 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

But then if you built your machine yourself, or added new HW recently, double check your device compatibility.

Once had a AMD Via chipset board running a sonic storm sound card and a diamond stealth AGP graphics card. Only to find out that the sonic storm was not fully compatible with the via chipset booting up at a different current to the motherboard and subsequently screwed the initialisation of the agp graphics card due to iregularities in the frequency, thus creating blue screens about 10 times a day for a total of 1 week until I had figured out what had happened, sold the parts on to mates of mine and got myself a more compatible Intel system.

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