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How many times do you re-boot your PC each day?
grrrr
engine




msg:287190
 4:59 pm on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

The dreaded blue screen of system hanging. The only solution - re-boot.

Memory leakage appears to be a problem, too.

About five or six times a day to re-boot is normal and I've come to accept it as a fact of computer life.

Am I getting off lightly, or do you have the same problem?

 

Brad




msg:287220
 7:14 pm on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

On my WinME machine maybe once a day, it has plenty of memory and Opera is very frugal. When I run IE or Frontpage excessively it can get unstable. Ditto, with some sites with Java.

On the Mac OS X 10.2 I have only had to reboot after updating software.

kapow




msg:287221
 7:17 pm on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

Wow, what an interesting thread.
I've been on win98 for a while, one or two crashes per day. I have been avoiding upgrading to 2k or XP because I was expecting more problems.

I run lots of professional software (often at the same time): Photoshop, DW, Corel Draw, Flash, Word, IE, Outlook... Lots of RAM, lots of hard disk space. There are some combinations that always crash (usually involving one of the MS packages).

From what everyone is saying it sounds like 2k and XP are much more stable. Sounds like I should upgrade.

pshea




msg:287222
 7:17 pm on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

Clearing out the temp internet files and reducing the number of days a page is kept in history is good. The msconfig advice is also good. But by far the most common way to reach BSOD is to leave the machine on for days on end and then what I call "quick clicking". Every click command goes into a queue and when there are too many commands issued to its' list of things to do, the system's shoelaces get all tied up together, it falls on its face, starts crying and to cover up the nasty sight, MS drops the curtain down fast, hence the BSOD.

mack




msg:287223
 7:18 pm on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

Been running XP home on a new system.
256 meg ram
home edition

Crashed three times to date, been using for 4 months.

Sometimes has to close aplications but very rarely does any error bring the entire system to a lock point.

I think the blue screen has been phased out in favour of an automated restart. Not great because you have no chance to recover data or save your work.

Dave2




msg:287224
 7:47 pm on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

I once had GDM crash, and not respond to killalls. I could do CLI stuff, but no X stuff. So I did a reboot then. Apart from that... never :P.

[dave@tc4 ~]$ uptime
19:48:26 up 4 days, 7:54, 0 users, load average: 0.65, 0.54, 0.37

Nick_W




msg:287225
 7:47 pm on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

"Linux lacks the Blue Screen of Death (TM) (R)"

In a surprise announcement today, Microsoft President Steve Ballmer
revealed that the Redmond-based company will allow computer resellers and
end-users to customize the appearance of the Blue Screen of Death (BSOD),
the screen that displays when the Windows operating system crashes.

The move comes as the result of numerous focus groups and customer surveys
done by Microsoft. Thousands of Microsoft customers were asked, "What do
you spend the most time doing on your computer?"

A surprising number of respondents said, "Staring at a Blue Screen of
Death." At 54 percent, it was the top answer, beating the second place
answer "Downloading XXXScans" by an easy 12 points.

"We immediately recognized this as a great opportunity for ourselves, our
channel partners, and especially our customers," explained the excited
Ballmer to a room full of reporters.

Immense video displays were used to show images of the new customizable
BSOD screen side-by-side with the older static version. Users can select
from a collection of "BSOD Themes," allowing them to instead have a Mauve
Screen of Death or even a Paisley Screen of Death. Graphics and multimedia
content can now be incorporated into the screen, making the BSOD the
perfect conduit for delivering product information and entertainment to
Windows users.

The BSOD is by far the most recognized feature of the Windows operating
system, and as a result, Microsoft has historically insisted on total
control over its look and feel. This recent departure from that policy
reflects Microsoft's recognition of the Windows desktop itself as the
"ultimate information portal." By default, the new BSOD will be configured
to show a random selection of Microsoft product information whenever the
system crashes. Microsoft channel partners can negotiate with Microsoft for
the right to customize the BSOD on systems they ship. Major computer
resellers such as Compaq, Gateway, and Dell are already lining up for
premier placement on the new and improved BSOD.

Ballmer concluded by getting a dig in against the Open Source community.
"This just goes to show that Microsoft continues to innovate at a much
faster pace than open source. I have yet to see any evidence that Linux
even has a BSOD, let alone a customizable one."

europeforvisitors




msg:287226
 8:31 pm on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

Kapow wrote:

From what everyone is saying it sounds like 2k and XP are much more stable. Sounds like I should upgrade.

Yes, but it's best to buy a new computer instead of installing Win2000 or XP on an older system, since not all legacy hardware has Win2000 or XP drivers. And new PCs are so cheap these days that it's probably smarter to buy a new computer than to pay for a Win2000/XP OS upgrade

Also be sure that Windows 2000 or XP is compatible with plug-in cards and external peripherals that you may be using. Some scanners, for example, may not have Win 2000/XP drivers. And a few "Windows modems" or "Windows printers" may require Win 95/98 for operation.

NeedScripts




msg:287227
 8:56 pm on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

I guess I have it kinda good :) Re-boot about once a day (haven't seen the blue screen in last 8-10 months), but I am also running Athlon 1.7Ghz, 512 MB Ram and win98 SE as OS.

Macguru




msg:287228
 8:59 pm on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

I use both Mac PC's and Wintell PC's. Mac sys 9X crashes as often Wintell Windows98+. (about 3 or 4 times a week)

Now comparing recent platforms, All Mac OS, Windows XP and *NIX flavors seem a lot more stable than before.

So whathever platform you are used to, upgrade and (almost) forget about the daily crashes.

digitalghost




msg:287229
 9:02 pm on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

After I removed the Nvidia card, XP Pro rarely crashes. I reboot once a day though as part of regular maintenance.

Even with DW MX running with 30 pages open, 6 browser windows, two email apps open and three chat progams, my CPU usage never gets above 50%.

I'm running 2 gigs of DDR SDRAM with an Athlon XP processor. System is stable as a rock. I just added a water cooled CPU cooling system. That rocks. :) No more lag on hot days and no danger of CPU heat damage and the constant cool temperature seems to really affect how stable the system is.

lorax




msg:287230
 9:07 pm on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

I just added a water cooled CPU cooling system.

SWEET!

Running an Athlon 1.3GHz with 512MB. The only time I consume more than half my RAM is when I have some RAM-Hog apps running (like Fireworks, Opera, MS Word).

strimmerboy




msg:287231
 9:26 pm on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

Fifteen minutes after reading this thread, my first BSOD in months.

Have to be more careful what I read in future.

caine




msg:287232
 9:49 pm on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

This is why i build my own systems.

CPU fan and System fan is the best money can buy for a PC.

Na, if your rebooting, start getting all the valuables, and get ready to move and clean it up.

digitalghost




msg:287233
 10:01 pm on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

>>CPU fan and System fan is the best money can buy for a PC.

Agreed. Buy the best cooling system you can afford. I go a little fan crazy, my current system has two 80mm fans in the back, a 120mm fan in the front, 3 80mm fans on top and a RAM fan coupled with the water cooled CPU and RAM system. My next addition will be two air cooled hard drive bays complete with temp indicators. The Asus MOBO came with something called C.O.P. CPU Overheating Protection. It monitors all the temps and shuts the system down before any damage can be done to the CPU. The bios also allows me to monitor all system temps, and increase or decrease the system fan RPMs. Once a month I open up the case, (buy steel cases if possible too, they hold less heat) and blow out all the dust.

I haven't had a system crash since removing the Nvidia card. (serious driver conflict with XP Pro)

c3oc3o




msg:287234
 12:41 am on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

Also be sure that Windows 2000 or XP is compatible with plug-in cards and external peripherals that you may be using. Some scanners, for example, may not have Win 2000/XP drivers.

The Win2k setup assistant displaying a long list of supposedly incompatible hardware was what prevented me from upgrading from 98 for a few months. XP didn't give me any such list, so I didn't even have the chance to hesitate :)
Results: The HP scanner that doesn't have XP drivers works amazingly well with Windows' built in default drivers. The digital camera needed a little trick (disabling a Windows 'service') that took me a few hours to find out, but other than that there were no problems at all.

caine




msg:287235
 12:47 am on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

I've got a coolermaster case with 6* 80mm fans, two on top, one front, one back, two side blowing into the peripheral cards. The CPU fan is the latest generation Alpha, with a Y.C fan, with a Enermax system PSU, which also has two fans.

The push pull configuration of air in this particular system is very good, no problems whatsoever with ventilation or overheating problems. Its an overclocking spec setup, but i don't bother, i just read all the hardware tips, and know that i can put what ever CPU and ram in it and know that i ain't frying any chips.

shelleycat




msg:287236
 1:30 am on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

One benefit of having an old, slow computer, I just can't run enough stuff at once to crash her. I'm running Win98 and IE5.5, use my computer about 12 hours a day and only have to reboot if I've used two Microsoft programmes and my graphics program all at once. Or possibly if I've been using Winamp (which slows the system to treacle anyway). And then I only reboot because the fonts disappear from the graphics program, I rarely see the BSOD. I do turn her off every night though, I can't stand the sound of electronic equipment running when I'm trying to sleep. I also have things tuned to make the most of her old age and slowness, not much installed software, tiny internet cache and history list of only two days.

Brett_Tabke




msg:287237
 2:39 am on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

I reboot a couple times a day - no biggie. I reboot whenever I leave the room for more than a couple minutes and am not in the middle of anything major. I don't see the bsod much any more except after I run Office or other MS apps.

I tried XP, but far too slow compared to 98 (But, I've only got half a gig on the main box, so thats not near enough ;-) to run well. Also, I have several mission critical dos apps that won't run in it. So I stick with 98.

korkus2000




msg:287238
 2:46 am on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

I use win2k professional and I never see it. I do shut down at night. It maybe that I mostly run graphics apps. 98 use to do it all the time but I have been quite pleased with win2k.

Son_House




msg:287239
 9:17 am on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

Number of times the os crashed:

Win 95 Please, way to many to count!
Moms Win 98 pc used for surfing and email: 1 - 3 times a month.
Win 2000 2 maybe 3 times in over a year and a half of use.
RedHat 8 zero in a little over two months of use.

Iguana




msg:287240
 10:11 am on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

I use windows 2k prof server on my laptop. The laptop is ok but I had to reboot the TV four times last night! I think my optical mouse is interfering with the remote control.

mayor




msg:287241
 10:27 am on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

Windows 98 was several times a day.

Windows XP is once a week, and that's usually because I reboot just for good measure.

Oh, and I just checked and saw that I have abut 20 browsers running, plus a few excell spread sheets, plus MS Front Page. That's typical.

Running a 1.8G P4 with 540M memory ... takes all the abuse I can dish out.

JonB




msg:287242
 11:19 am on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

i used to 10+ times.

strangelly since i have ADSL i reboot only 1 time in a day...around 15+ hours after i start PC with win98 the computer starts to behave strange- lots of errors, memory problmes etc..whcih i think is normal after 15+ hours with win98:)

erik the viking




msg:287243
 11:26 am on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

Running Win2k and it hasn't crashed for a year. Last time it crashed it was hardware(video card) related.
Windows is super stable.

rencke




msg:287244
 11:41 am on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

I am beginning to miss the good old blue screen and regret upgrading to XP. The blue screen gave me time to rest and to reflect upon the ways of the world and the finite nature of life on earth. Now it's just work, work, work. Is it possible to downgrade to 98? Does anyone know?

pkchukiss




msg:287245
 11:45 am on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

Am using Windows 2000 Professional... Not a crash since it was installed. But I reboot it at least twice a day. Currently running 12 Internet Explorer 6.0 windows, Norton Anti-virus, Grisoft AVG antivirus, two firewalls, one memory recovery utility, one download manager, Microsoft Outlook and still cruising. The power of 375 MB of RAM...

engine




msg:287246
 12:01 pm on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

>Is it possible to downgrade to 98? Does anyone know?

You can have my machine for a snip. ;)

ScottM




msg:287247
 12:16 pm on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

XP home for almost a year. Never had a crash. Runs for weeks at a time, sometimes I reboot just to install the 'upgrades' that were waiting in the queue.

Josk




msg:287248
 12:28 pm on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

Workstation: (Redhat 6.2)

12:28pm up 14 days, 18:24, (I added a hard drive two weeks ago...)

I find that on this machine I have to logout every week or so, and then log back in. So far no crashes, apart from the time I put a sym-link in a silly place. Forgot about it and rebooted when I put some ram in. Kernal Panic! I rebooted using a Debian CD, and put the real files back...

Primary test box...(Debian)
12:17:03 up 72 days, 50 min

But thats Linux, thats cheating.

knighty




msg:287249
 1:13 pm on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

Am also using Windows 2000 Professional

NO CRASHES at all since I got the comp (pre-installed) about 3 months ago.

At home Windows ME maybe once a week usually due to some 3rd party software or in a game :(

wolfy




msg:287250
 2:11 pm on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

I normally reboot once or twice a day depending on which programs I'm using, my OS is WinME.
When I use Web Trends first time I must reboot and then I can have my log analysis done.

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