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XP finally crashed on me.....

 6:11 am on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

I know- it was bound to happen. Actually it didn't fully crash on me, it just claims that a critical file doesn't exist on my computer [it does exist but XP has simply "forgotten" how to use it]. I really wouldn't care much about the error but one of the side effects of the error is that Windows Update doesn't work and who knows how many critical security "patches" I'm missing out on [I'm guessing one a day]. For the time being, I'm on the ole' trusty notebook computer.

Anybody know how to save bulk Outlook Express E-mails for later viewing?



 7:57 am on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

Windows XP doesnt crash all that often compared to earlier windows versions, but when it does it does so in style.

I swear there is some code in windows like the folowing.

$works 'if unsaved work=less then"1000k" then crash="false" else "error message~" <crash>

Another anoying feature when an inproper shut down ocurs in xp is , there is no scann disk, just an un-responding computer for about a minute after re-start.


 8:14 am on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

I think XP has decided to stop letting me print from the Internet!

I can print off everything else, but if i need to print off internet i have to email the page to myself!


 8:47 am on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

Finally had enough of XP this weekend - re-format and back to Win2K. Lovely. No silly bells and whistles, no crashes on pretty much any firewall you care to name, no touchy startup issues, no more network calls being intercepted by Apache running locally. The list goes on.

For backing up OE stuff, look here [support.microsoft.com]. Doesn't specifically mention XP, but I'm pretty sure the locations are unchanged from W2K.



 12:00 pm on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

Windows XP for Dummies's Book (Condensed Version)

Page 1.

You bought Windows XP. You are a dummy.

End of Book

Serriously, I would not run any MS O/S that does
not have at least 2, and preferably 3 service packs behind it.

W2K is your best bet.


 3:10 pm on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

I've been using windows xp for a while now, and I am very impressed. Excellent operating system, probably THE best desktop OS ever. SOlid, performs very well. Looks good. Never had a crash - and I am a techie who tends to crash OS's. And yes, I use Windows, Linux, Unix, Macs and even OpenVMS.

Windows XP is so good we are upgrading our entire office from Windows NT4 to XP this month (I am in charge of the project and made the decision as to which OS to move to). Almost 1,000 machines.

Richard Lowe


 5:08 pm on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

I want to work for your company...! You must have pots of money lying around to buy the licenses and upgrade all that hardware. Not to mention plenty of techies who sit around all day doing nothing.

If anyone is thinking of switching away from WindowsXP, the Linux distros are now looking very good, espcially Redhat8, and Xandros (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/27742.html)


 5:30 pm on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

$works 'if unsaved work=less then"1000k" then crash="false" else "error message~" <crash>

Yep, that's the way it works. Thank God for cd-rw.

Mat, thanks for the help. It should work but doesn't on my computers. In fact, I've never been able to make that work properly. Maybe I'm doing something wrong. Nahhhh, it's Microsoft's fault.

Anybody care to help me sort through 12,000 e-mails for the important ones? ;


 6:19 pm on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

Not to mention plenty of techies who sit around all day doing nothing.

I run the whole company, 1,000+ workstations and several hundred servers, with a staff of 7 support people plus me. we are very busy. But windows has been remarkably stable for us. It performs well, and the ROI is much better than *nix - for our shop.

Richard Lowe


 3:19 am on Oct 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

Coudn't agree more to richlowe. I love the OS.. Its simply wonderful. I have used quite a few OSes, Win 95 and up, Linux (Mandrake & Redhat distributions). I found XP to be the best and the most user friendly of the lot. Using XP for about a year now. Many times I leave it on for days without any problems (like Linux). It hasn't crashed yet.


 3:48 am on Oct 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

Well, I like XP, except for the random crash. :) Seems to be an issue with hibernation, or NVidia cards, or maybe it doesn't like 1.5 gigs of memory, and certain screensavers or most games...

But yeah, XP Pro is my OS. Almost makes me want to be just like Ellen Feiss. Except of course for the fact that she looks like she smoked her paper instead of her dad's PC eating it. ;)

Yeah, I use Linux too, and it can be a pain in the arse. Looks like Mac or Win2000.


 4:02 am on Oct 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

I have to say I also like XP (have xp home) I too am also a linux user. Linux it has to be said is supposed to be a lot more stable than any windows OS but XP feels stable. If you look at Linux you see a lot of programs that run on their own and there is very little communication between programs (due to open source and different developers) with windows everything seams to work in harmony and this is the one big advantage that windows has over even the best Linux distros.

Some Linux company has to build a distro and write their own software to port software to be able to be synchronized. For example if you boot windows, click on the internet explorer icon, the system detects that the browser is trying to access the web, it knows that there is no active connection and opens the dial up dialog box. With Linux there is no compatibility between applications to the extent that windows has.

On the other had I am sitting now using an almost brand new system. Linux is running on a very old box, but I am still drawn to use it a lot. I think one of the appeals of Linux is that there really is so much more you can do. With a Linux distro you will never use all of the features and add on software that came bundled with your distribution. It can be an adventure just looking about on your system to se what you can find.


 5:48 am on Oct 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

4 crashes just tonight. No BSOD, but a nice power off that kills everything. Restore to "whatever" date, doesn't stop the crashes. If there is no keyboard or mouse movement in 5 minutes, the OS decides to turn the system off. :)

Lotsa fun...


 6:58 am on Oct 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

The default XP setting is to reboot automatically on fatal errors. Never understood that - sometimes the info. on a BSOD can be useful, but no, someone thought that the best thing would be to pretend nothing happened and just restart the box.

Somewhere in the control panel is a check box to turn off this helpful feature. As I said above, I'm back to Win2K (after 6 months with XP) and am extremely happy - not one single crash. There are all sorts of issues tied in with XP/APCI/hibernation, and they would fit in with your description, but you really don't want to go there.



 10:00 am on Oct 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

> with windows everything seams to work in harmony

Hmmm...kind of like the harmony in the USSR...? My opinion is that if you want to pay $$$ to Bill for an OS that crashes, use XP. If not, use a linux distro.


 10:17 am on Oct 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

well give me examples of things that dont? ;)

And I also use suse linux.


 4:47 pm on Oct 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

I can't remember XP totally crashing on me since I installed it more than half a year ago. Since that installation, I only reboot after installations that require it, it's been up and running for 15 days non-stop right now.

Only problem: There's an occasional oddity booting up for some reason, I've had it complain about missing critical files, but just hitting the reset button removes the problem.
Bells & whistles can (and should) be turned off. Speed is not worse than Win98 on my old P2-400. Never loved an OS more :)

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