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JonB




msg:310818
 3:26 pm on Oct 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

my and my freind jsut ate some hamburger in restaurant.the meat was like half done so it was more red but no blood. instead of compaling i jsut ate it.

i know this is not doctor forum but anyway this is the largers forum i participate :)

first my question is ,what kind of complications can i get? if i get sick will i get in few days or can it take years. did anyboy happen to eat not fully cooked beef? what about famous "beeftek"(that is how the call it in my country) where beef is almsot raw?

second, so i wanted to educate on this and went to goole and typed:

raw meat eating disease

to make is easier for you:
[google.com...]

well, i got some answers but check the page number 1!

so is there anyone here who could give any advice if eating half-cooked (or whatever you do with hamburger meat) is really so dangerous.i am not worried about mad cow disease but i have heard that i can get some parasiotes that take years to develop bla bla..

thanks,
jon

[edited by: JonB at 3:38 pm (utc) on Oct. 3, 2002]

 

john316




msg:310819
 3:35 pm on Oct 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

JobB

You'll probably be okay, people have been eating raw beef (intentionally) for a long time. It's called steak tartar.

[gigablast.com...]

JonB




msg:310820
 3:40 pm on Oct 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

thanks john for this :)
also gigablast example made me delete all complaints from my first post about #1 spam in google results :)

if anyone had any problem in past with raw meat then please post too.

martinibuster




msg:310821
 3:46 pm on Oct 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

Food poisoning is usually called a 24 hour flu. It can happen to you days later.

You're at risk of dying if you are elderly, already fairly ill or very young (thus, all the toddlers who die every year eating fast-food hamburgers).

A good source of info is at webmd.

I thought google was supposed to be smart enough to catch blatant hidden text spam like that? I feel disillusioned.

Fiver




msg:310822
 3:52 pm on Oct 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

lots of not-quite fast food places will deliver your burger medium or medium rare unless otherwise specified. I've recently started to enjoy medium steaks (definitely red in the middle) - there really isn't any danger unless the food has been left out to rot... and in that case cooking doesn't really help anyway.

I've noticed that the prevailing attitude here in North America is that anyone who orders a steak well done is a freak (it's a less than manly act). But in Europe (where I'm originally from), that attitude doesn't exist. Is this just my overactive imagination? Do Europeans enjoy their steak rare too? I've always wondered that.

DrCool




msg:310823
 3:53 pm on Oct 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

My grandpa ate raw hamburger as a snack for years. He would go to the fridge and grab a hunk and eat. It didn't kill him and he never got sick from it so you should be OK.

Sinner_G




msg:310824
 4:15 pm on Oct 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

Fiver, it depends on the country. French like there beef very rare, in England or Germany well done is the most cooked.

volatilegx




msg:310825
 5:07 pm on Oct 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

Eating hamburger (ground beef) meat not fully cooked can be dangerous. This is because of the Escherichia coli bacteria, which can be found in hamburger. E. coli is spread when a cow is butchered and waste from the "guts" comes in contact with the meat. Hamburger is more dangerous than steaks and roasts, etc. because the meat is ground and the bacteria has a chance to get into the middle of meat patties. If the patty is cooked so that it is still "rare" or raw in the middle, the bacteria isn't killed.

E. coli can be very dangerous if you are young, elderly or sick.

Here's some information on E. coli:
[people.ku.edu...]

jackofalltrades




msg:310826
 5:22 pm on Oct 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

I think if you went to a restaurant and ordered beef and the only meat you got was beef, then youŽre doing lucky, my friend! :)

Count your blessings - you could have found a lot worse in your hamburger! ;)

Brett_Tabke




msg:310827
 1:09 am on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

If you are going to get sick, you will get sick from any undercooked beef within 24hrs. There are NO long term effects whatsoever. It is the same as eating unwashed fruit [cnn.com].

I think you are thinking of pork and Trichinosis which can take two to three months to develop.

shelleycat




msg:310828
 2:09 am on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hopefully you're a lot less likely to get sick as it came from a restaraunt. They have pretty strict food safety and hiegene standards they have to follow and a single food poisoning case traced back to them (which isn't as easy as you'd think but anyway) can make them close down for several days and greatly affect their business. So they tend to be very careful. Food poisoning is much more common in the home.

If it was steak I wouldn't even worry, it's difficult for the bacteria to get into the middle of that anyway. Ground meat is different because, as mentioned, the bacteria can get into the middle of the patty. But if the meat was warmed right through and served straight to you, and wasn't highly contaminated in the first place (which would really surprise me), then your risk is pretty low.

Personally I eat very rare steak all the time and have never been sick. It's juicy :-D

JonB




msg:310829
 5:33 am on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

thanks everyone! :) still healhty 24 hours after eating this steak.....

jon

martinibuster




msg:310830
 6:03 am on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

Please give us an update tomorrow...

These things need time to develop, and I'm following this closer than my soap operas!

Cheers!
:) Y

bateman_ap




msg:310831
 7:53 am on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

In England well done is deff not the norm!

Rare or medium rare, anthing else and you will be looked down at!

personally I just like it to touch the heat, so much better bloody as hell!

TallTroll




msg:310832
 11:16 am on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

>> In England well done is deff not the norm

That's only true in quality establishments, really. A friend of mine works part time as a waiter in one of the big chain "theme restaurants", and one of his biggest gripes is that almost everyone asks for their steaks well done - and them complains that the food is taking a long time to cook. He reckons that about 80% - 90% ask for well done so you can imagine how much he loves people who order steak

DonRoss




msg:310833
 11:45 am on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

You guys may want to take a look at this thread about the very same subject...

[guardian.co.uk...]

shanz




msg:310834
 11:57 am on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

I am a Jock and it is a sad fact that many Britons are sadly limited in their palate. Ruining a steak is a symptom of this. The same sort of people who go abroad and eat the same british food. There are however a substantial number of gourmets, just like any other country.

Historically the Brits have not had a particularly expansive menu and top quality food in the UK just now is usually influenced from abroad.

Interestingly enough the rarest steaks I have every eaten have been in the USA. Particular favourites were a 20oz monster in Mammoth and a smokey wood fired beast in Florida.

I did once eat a significant bit of raw beef(1/2 a kilo approx) at a party for a dare when beered up. Apart from a headache the next morning I was fine.

Shanz

Sinner_G




msg:310835
 11:59 am on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

You can get a headache from eating raw beef? ;)

shanz




msg:310836
 1:02 pm on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

Mad cow disease....:)

mivox




msg:310837
 4:53 pm on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

The odds of the meat being contaminated with something are pretty rare... especially if you live in an area that doesn't rely on a US-style assembly line meatpacking industry.

And unless the meat is contaminated with something, it certainly won't do you any harm.... raw or not.

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