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Arriving Gatwick, then BritRail?
I need to stop by Stonehenge

 11:41 pm on Oct 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

Prior to PubCon, I need to go over to Stonehenge to sacrifice a few goats and chickens to the Druid BotGods. Unless I rent a car, an idea my wife doesn't particularly relish (believing that I'll default to the right lane within minutes -bah!), a BritRail pass seems to be the next most viable option. Or am I being suckered into a tourist gimmick?



 11:43 pm on Oct 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

I've not been to Stonehenge but I've heard you pretty much can't get within 1000 feet of it these days. Something about 'Important Historical Site' or some such nonsense. :)


 11:44 pm on Oct 2, 2002 (gmt 0)


The guys over at Fast said a remote altar will have to do.


 11:53 pm on Oct 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

If you can go see both Stonehenge and Avebury. You won't regret it.


 12:20 am on Oct 3, 2002 (gmt 0)


Thanks, Brad. I've added it to the list.


 12:22 am on Oct 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

wait for me


 12:27 am on Oct 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

I heard you need to bring 12 cows.


 12:59 am on Oct 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

I just want to absorb photons into my electronic shadow box for future reminescing.


 1:16 am on Oct 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

sacrifice the rental car. Last time I tried to find my way back into London at night by car, I just narrowly avoided becoming a missing person. Navigating in London is a nightmare for the uninitiated.


 3:53 am on Oct 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

If you can't arrange a remote altar, try bringing a small catapult and flinging the sacrificed cattle into the circle from afar... That's what I'm gonna do.


 4:48 am on Oct 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

I was just wondering how difficult and expensive it would be for a foriegner to rent a car in england?


 6:01 am on Oct 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

Itís not a problem a US friend of mine rented a car last month I can't remember how much he paid but it certainly wasn't much.

His only problem was working out how to use the clutch LOL


 7:39 am on Oct 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

i'd second the recommendation for Avebury because it is less famous and you can get much closer. ...

the view of stonehenge is actually best from the main through road, although you cannot stop, only drive past.

in the area too is Salisbury cathedral [salisburycathedral.org.uk], which is a truly awesome sight! different era but still over 700 years old.

for those unable to visit stonehenge the try CarHenge [carhenge.com] hehe, i visited last year at sundown, very cool.

[quote]Navigating in London is a nightmare for the uninitiated[/url]

its not so bad but remember too that parking is also very expensive in London and not always provided by hotels, also take note of parking restrictions the traffic wardens work to targets in london and are very diligent, overrunning a meter by 1 minute could cost you $60


 7:41 am on Oct 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

I was just wondering how difficult and expensive it would be for a foriegner to rent a car in england?

>> foriegner = No Problem

>> Brett Tabke = Impossible

One firm that is highly popular is stavros
Easycar [easycar.com]


 7:46 am on Oct 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

easycar.com have some cheap-ish prices for renting cars. Around about £23 a day if you book it now for next weekend. I think they do automatics too - which is worth doing if you are not used to driving on the CORRECT side of the road :)

I never drive around London. It's just too crazy. Much easier to get a Taxi or the Tube ;)

Btw - if you get time, visit the Tower Of London - really good value for money with the tourists. Very interesting indeed....Oh and if you want to see more of England than just London, visit Warwick Castle [warwick-castle.co.uk] and of course Shakespeare country. And....

<edit>lazerzubb read my mind...heh</edit>


 8:02 am on Oct 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

Don't rent a car to drive in London. Only rent a car if you are intending to travel out of London and about.

Remember that we have thw world's largest orbital car park, the M25. Don't bother using it during peak hours as you'll waste a lot of time.

Traveling by rail can be good on certain routes, however, it does not give you the flexibility to travel around the town or site when you get there.

The railways wern't around when Stonehenge was built so you'll need to consider some way of getting from the station to the site. You might want to consider a coach if you don't want the hassle of driving.

There is something eerie about Stonehenge - it must be all those sacrifices that went on.


Yes, it was being worn away by the hoards of modern-day Druids.


 8:14 am on Oct 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

May I suggest that anyone from the US takes the train as much as possible. In the UK and particularly in London I think what most Americans have difficulty grasping is the fact that the majority of the time you won't be driving on the left / or the right, but normally in the middle somewhere. Our roads and parking spaces are much smaller than yours :) ...but then so are the cars.

Take the "Gatwick Express" into central London - takes about 30 mins.


 8:16 am on Oct 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

>The railways wern't around when Stonehenge was built

No they just run like they should have been, have you been on a train recently what an experience


 8:18 am on Oct 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

If you go to easycar check to bodywork for signs of dinks and dent like you were buying a new car. Point them out and get it logged. One reason easycar are so cheap with such high quality cars is their large insurance excess - allegedly.

Can you tell I got stung by a car hire company.

Use the tube to get around "the smoke" and hope and pray that there is no strike as there have been two recently.

Dont forget Stratford:

If you are after a bit of weird and mystery


PS. When all the "big guns" are flying, rowing and generally getting to London, who will be looking after this joint?


 9:07 am on Oct 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

if you're going it alone to stonehenge, go by train and make a good day of it. it'll be so much easier than driving. stonehenge is somewhere down near salisbury and there are trains probably every hour down there from london waterloo. check out salisbury cathedral as well.

even better, why don't a group of you get together and charter a coach down there? there are plenty of bus and coach companies that would be more than willing to take you anywhere like that. it's a bit short notice, but summer is over so there should be plenty of spare coaches and drivers around.

if not, you could always go down as a group on the train and get group travel discount.

i'm not sure what the britrail pass is. is that one of those unlimited travel things? (i used to drive trains for a living but never had anything to do with tickets).


 11:09 am on Oct 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

> Prior to PubCon, I need to go over to Stonehenge to sacrifice a few goats and chickens to the Druid BotGods. Unless I rent a car, an idea my wife doesn't particularly relish (believing that I'll default to the right lane within minutes -bah!), a BritRail pass seems to be the next most viable option. Or am I being suckered into a tourist gimmick?

There's no reason to do a BritRail pass. You can catch any number of trains out of Waterloo station in London and be in Salisbury within 1 1 1/2 hours. Total cost will probably be about $30.

Once in Salisbury, you can take a short cab ride into the center/re of the city, maybe cost you $5 (or do the 5 minute easy walk). Then you can see Salisbury Cathedral and the market square. Nice city, won't take more than 2 hours to do highlights.

There are also many different tour operators that run buses out to Stonehenge -- and you can get joint rail tickets, as well. Look at South West Trains, the local rail operator:

[southwestrains.co.uk...] For pounds to dollars, add half, and you're pretty close (ie 2 pounds plus half (1) equals three dollars).

Here's the local tourist office for Salisbury, bypassing the Flash home page: []

Stonehenge, by the way, is nice to see -- but you probably will be done after about 20 minutes. You cannot get inside the stones unless you do a "private booking," which I've done a couple of times. It's a far better experience (see 19th century graffiti) but there's usually a waiting list and you'll have to do it either early in the morning or in the early evening. And, they aren't happening again until December to let the ground in the stones rest. But anyone coming in the future, call 011-44-1980-626-267 and they can send you a form. Here's official stonehenge info:

Avebury is like Stonehenge but worse in that the stones are very spreadout, so you don't get the dramatic view but better in that you can touch the stones. There are probably tours/buses out there, but to do that, Stonehenge and Salisbury makes for a long day and a rental car would probably work better. Getting out of London can be scary for those new to it, so the train to Gatwick or Heathrow and grabbing a car there would be easier -- and anyone can rent easily here.


 11:58 am on Oct 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

Firstly, You can get to StoneHenge. I was there under a month ago. However, you have to pay to get in. (I can't remember how much. I think it was £10 - £15).

Secondly, You can get a train from Paddington that will get you there. It should cost around £20 rtn on the day.



 12:00 pm on Oct 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

You can probably hire a car for the day at Salisbury and do a little afternoon trip out from there. Then take a train back to London. The cathedral is excellent.

Inside London I recommend taking the Underground and taxis.


 3:12 pm on Oct 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

The Britrail pass ROCKS if you're going to do lots of traveling around, though. I had one in June and used it to go all over Scotland and England and it was hassle-free.

Re: Stonehenge - I heard you're no longer allowed to go right up to it, but instead you're kept back several yards behind a fence. Bummer!


 5:04 pm on Oct 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

Thanks, this is good stuff. After Salisbury, I'm slated to participate in some ritual sacrifices at another meeting of druid affiliates in the mid-country (sorry, that's as specific as they'll allow. I'm to be met at the train, blindfolded, and taken to points unknown.) So, Ill be buying a 2nd ticket for a longer trek (4 hrs, I think). At this point, the pass starts to look decent rate-wise, though I'll probably still be paying £75 for convenience w/ the flexipass.

If you rent, get an automatic. Remember, these are RHD, so you'll have to be able to work the shift pattern with your left hand. I know of some that have found this to be such a problem that they eventually had the front passenger work the gears while the driver worked the clutch. On occassion, I drive old RHD Land Rover 109's here in the states, but even with the practice, I wouldn't want to have to be thinking about the lanes and the awkward shifting.


 6:47 pm on Oct 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

<time travels backwards> Phew, I remember going to Stonehenge about 40 years ago as a lad. Got such a powerful feeling standing under those big stone arches. Shame they suffered so much abuse, from idiots, that now it's not possible.</time travels backwards>
Have fun in my old hunting grounds you guys. Wish I could get over there too. Maybe next time.


 6:54 pm on Oct 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

Anyone coming to London or England for the first time btw?


 7:01 pm on Oct 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

I know we have a few mods that haven't been before. (This is only my 2nd time, but I seem to adapt fast.)


 7:19 pm on Oct 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

First time for me. :) Can't wait... I've been wanting to go for as long as I can remember.


 7:54 pm on Oct 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

gonna be my third time but of course the last time was PubCon1 and all I really saw the with hotel bar, the Indian restaurant across the street and the inside of the conference venue last time ;)

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