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The FIFA World Cup: Which country will win & who will be the star? 3
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mack

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Msg#: 10471 posted 8:58 pm on Jul 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

Continued from [webmasterworld.com...]

well done France!

Final... France V Italy.

Should be good.

Mack.

[edited by: engine at 1:24 pm (utc) on July 6, 2006]

 

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Msg#: 10471 posted 9:01 pm on Jul 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

Damn...pretty good game. Kudos to France. Portugal and Scolari deserve a lot of credit too; they could have easily won the game and no one would have complained about them not deserving it.

Good match ahead: Italy's defense vs France.

On edit: Diving and cheating still going on and it's disgusting. Red card on the first dive would be the punishment if I had a choice. You'll see how fast it stops.

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Msg#: 10471 posted 11:40 pm on Jul 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

Time to bring in the video refs. It sucks to see a cheat get a free kick after deliberatly falling over. The whole world see's it yet he gets off free with the potential to score a goal.

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Msg#: 10471 posted 12:29 am on Jul 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Well I can't help but smile.

I am sure the France v Italy will be a good match and much will depend on Zidane but my money is on Italia!

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Msg#: 10471 posted 12:44 am on Jul 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

hmm to tight to call for my money...

Will be a great game though, can't wait!

Mack.

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Msg#: 10471 posted 12:48 am on Jul 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

It was a very good game.
Portugal played its best game by far and deserved to win. It sure sucks losing on a penalty which was not. It is obvious Henry dove - he is a pro at it.

I have to admit, it is almost like Portugal got a dose of its own medicine. Some Portuguese players dove on the box also. It is disgusting.

They really have to clean football up, the dives and theatricals are ruining the game.
I am all for giving immediate red cards for the cheaters after a replay review. It would clean it up in no time.

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Msg#: 10471 posted 12:50 am on Jul 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Diving has always been a problem, but this world cup seams to have brought out the worst in certain players. A deliberate dive should be a red card. Even the threat of this would be enough to make most players think twice.

Mack.

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Msg#: 10471 posted 7:54 am on Jul 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am all for giving immediate red cards for the cheaters after a replay review. It would clean it up in no time.

I agree. Diving is not just being a wee bit naughty. It's trying to win a game through downright cheating. The guys who do it, and there are many of them, should be punished. Is football the only game where proven, persistent cheats go unpunished?

We have the technology!

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Msg#: 10471 posted 8:01 am on Jul 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yes but we do have to be careful that it does not ruin the game.

Once you start with technology and video replays where does it stop? Every contraversial decision?

Rugby and cricket are very different games, as there is much more stop and start to the game. The best football should flow.

I do think that any player caught diving with the use of above technology post-match should be banned from all matches at club and Int level for x number of games.

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Msg#: 10471 posted 8:12 am on Jul 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

does anyone know if ronaldo auditioned for the recent superman movie?

i think he would have done quite well in it.

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Msg#: 10471 posted 8:17 am on Jul 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

nah I think it was supergirl, all the pouting he does.

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Msg#: 10471 posted 8:19 am on Jul 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Rugby and cricket are very different games, as there is much more stop and start to the game. The best football should flow.

It does flow but it stops for a free kick or a penalty and replays could be organised while the players are still protesting to the ref.

i think he would have done quite well in it.

Sadly not as well as Henry. I always think that it is worse when skilled players like him resort to these tactics.

Let's not forget that this is not a continental trait. Remember Gerrard's theatrical dive in one of England's warm up games?

[edited by: lawman at 8:53 am (utc) on July 6, 2006]
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Msg#: 10471 posted 8:27 am on Jul 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

What would the players be protesting about if the replays were still going on? They could only protest after the decision was made. And how far out does the replay come into effect.

Just for the record. I do not know why people think Gerard dived in a friendly just a few weeks away from the World Cup. What you think he should have allowed himself to be clobbered by the guy, miss the world cup possibly?

If we talk about diving let's at least keep the discussion on games that count.

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Msg#: 10471 posted 9:22 am on Jul 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

I think Ronaldo received a wonderful welcome from the crowd last night. He was booed every time that he touched the ball. Apparently some England fans bought tickets for the semi-final before the England v Portugal game. It seems the English and French supporters soon formed an unlikely alliance and the booing caught on.

If Ronaldo stays with Man Utd it will be interesting to see how Rooney gets on with him in training and how Man Utd and other supporters react to him playing.

Us English supporters always ssem to need a scapegoat for our failure. This time it is Ronaldo, it is easy to dislike him though.

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Msg#: 10471 posted 11:12 am on Jul 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Diving aside (and the Portugese were diving aside nicely in what I thought was a poor game), for me the stars of this World Cup have been Ghana and Australia, in a relative sense. Neither the French nor Italian teams are "star" teams like the 1970 Brazilian team and a few others since. Of course that doesn't mean the final won't be a great match.

As for the "losers" match between Germany and Portugal, it's hard to imagine how the players will be able to motivate themselves. If I was Portugese I would be wanting only to get home as soon as possible.

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Msg#: 10471 posted 11:51 am on Jul 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

If we talk about diving let's at least keep the discussion on games that count.

Rules are rules. Diving is diving.

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Msg#: 10471 posted 1:11 pm on Jul 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

How can you compare Gerrard to Ronaldo when it comes to diving? I wonder what the dive count would be if you compared them? Is there an axe to grind somewhere?

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Msg#: 10471 posted 1:39 pm on Jul 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Ah, well; with just the final remaining my World Cup fantasy football team are positioned 117,153th out of quarter of a million others (makes the number sound much larger if you spell it out!). In the inter-office tournament I'm in the... er... bottom of the third quartile.

France vs Italy? My money's on two red cards - one for each side.

Syzygy

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Msg#: 10471 posted 2:12 pm on Jul 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

It sure sucks losing on a penalty which was not. It is obvious Henry dove - he is a pro at it.

Huh? The ref made a spot-on decision - watch the replays! The point of a tackle is to get the ball. If you miss the ball and take your player out, that be a foul.

I was well disappointed with how Portugal played last night. Not great football at all. It seemed their attitude was most unsporting - but then look at how Scolari acted throughout the night - very poor. I was, however, quite impressed by France - having a shaky start to the tournament, they seem to be proving themselves now. I think we're in for a right proper treat on Sunday - if Italy play as well as they did on Tuesday, and France as well as they did yesterday, it should be quite exciting!

(Money's on Italy though...)

B

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Msg#: 10471 posted 2:21 pm on Jul 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

>> It sure sucks losing on a penalty which was not. It is obvious Henry dove - he is a pro at it

Not even Scolari objected to this: after the match, he admited it was a legit penalty (although he said Ronaldo was denied his own.)

[football.guardian.co.uk...]
"Television replays showed that Sagnol made only the slightest contact with Ronaldo, who needed little persuasion to go to ground having realised that the centre was beyond his reach. Scolari did concede that France deserved a penalty when Ricardo Carvalho belied his experience by going to ground when turned by Thierry Henry and then caught the Arsenal striker's ankle with an instinctive lunge"

Ronaldo seems to have become the villain of this tournament. Was it just English fans booing, or all types of fans? Any insight?

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Msg#: 10471 posted 3:13 pm on Jul 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

How can you compare Gerrard to Ronaldo when it comes to diving? I wonder what the dive count would be if you compared them? Is there an axe to grind somewhere?

The topic was diving and I made no comparison with Gerrard and Ronaldo. All I did was to point out one significant, recent instance of this by a respected English player.

This is just as prevalent in the UK, including Scotland, as any other country. You cannot turn a blind eye to that while demonising players from other countries as though they were somehow different. If there is an axe to grind it is that the English media (and many of their fans) seem to be collectively blind to these events when the England team is involved. Unless of course they are of such a high profile that they cannot be ignored, like Rooney's sending off.

Try putting yourself in the position of the Trinidad and Tobago fans who saw their team go behind late in the game against England to a goal that was scored by a guy who was clearly leaning on their defender and pulling his hair. What do you think the English media would have made of that if it had been the other way round? Maradona committed a lesser foul to score against England in the '86 finals and they are still talking about it twenty years later.

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Msg#: 10471 posted 3:29 pm on Jul 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

significant, recent instance

Yes but we all break the occasional rule and we all know Gerard is not a regular or known in any way for diving. And like I said it was a friendly, and if he had stayed on his feet he would have had a penalty and perhaps a serious injury.

As it is he did dive out of the way but only to avoid the injury. It was a friendly and not worth missing the world cup anyway.

Point was - where do video replay's stop? Which part of the field? Which offenses? I think once it starts it will never stop and will turn football into a farcical.

Ban them after the matches - and deduct points from a team if necessary but I do not want to see stop start football.

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Msg#: 10471 posted 3:42 pm on Jul 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

After what i have seen - its going to be a close one.

I hope the refer-ee keeps the whistle in his shorts.

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Msg#: 10471 posted 3:45 pm on Jul 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Elizondo chosen as Cup final ref.

Oh dear. I was hoping it would have been the ref who did the Germany v Italy match.

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Msg#: 10471 posted 8:03 pm on Jul 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

I thought you'd enjoy reading this article from the esteemed ;) Daily Mirror in the UK

WINKER Ronaldo's Portugal are among the World Cup's biggest cheats, according to leading business intelligence software company Information Builders.

They have kept a crime count during the tournament - and say the Portuguese have racked up 24 dives, thrown 26 tantrums, faked seven injuries and bullied the ref five times.

The World Cup's greatest cheats [mirror.co.uk]

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Msg#: 10471 posted 8:12 pm on Jul 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

Now I know why I don't watch soccer, dives, pulling hair, fake injuries, tantrums, etc. Soccer players are wussies. ;)

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Msg#: 10471 posted 8:36 pm on Jul 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

>> It is obvious Henry dove - he is a pro at it.

not at all, i've seen henry and arsenal many, many times live, although an arsenal fan i have perspective and have seen quite a few dives at highbury from the home side, however never from henry, he is not a cheat.

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Msg#: 10471 posted 10:23 pm on Jul 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

not at all

Are you sure? What about the dive/tumble he took which resulted in a free kick that won the match over Spain?

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Msg#: 10471 posted 10:34 pm on Jul 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

Portugal, it seems, will be remembered as this World Cup's "anti-stars" (or whatever is the opposite of stars). I doubt if they're really such a bad bunch as individuals. If anything, Scolari is to blame, as he had overall responsibility for motivating the team and for their attitude to the contest. He engrained in the players' subconscious the need to win at all costs, as if nothing else matters. He's a football spammer who got caught.

On Sunday we will see not only a winning country but an ethos towards sport from the two nations - as both coaches are home grown. It's good to know that as much attention will be paid to the style of victory as to the victory itself. A sign of progress maybe.

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Msg#: 10471 posted 11:09 pm on Jul 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

Funny, you UK guys cannot get over losing to Portugal twice in the semi-finals of a real competition, can you?

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