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HD DVD & Blu-Ray: who'll flop, and who'll fly?
engine

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Msg#: 10467 posted 4:41 pm on Jul 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

Here we go again!
If you remember the VHS/Betamax format wars you'll know what I mean. Did you buy a betamax machine? My brother-in-law did and ended up wasting his money. Needless to say, he now waits before jumping for a format.

So, now, we have the choice of HD DVD or Blu-Ray. Out of the manaufacturers, who's got the deepest pockets to win this battle?

Why should we buy one format, or the other?

Are you an early adoptor, or will you wait?

 

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Msg#: 10467 posted 5:27 pm on Jul 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

Will wait. Hope the devices will end up playing both.

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Msg#: 10467 posted 7:27 pm on Jul 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

If you remember the VHS/Betamax format wars you'll know what I mean. Did you buy a betamax machine? My brother-in-law did and ended up wasting his money. Needless to say, he now waits before jumping for a format.
So, now, we have the choice of HD DVD or Blu-Ray.

Sony lost because it kept a proprietary technology format. Beta was better quality, but JVC played them very well by allowing open source technology to everyone.

Blu-Ray will dominate most of the Eastern hemisphere. However, neither will really dominate in North America as HD has better production companies backing it (IMO) because they generally target an older audience (who will be purchasing the products). This will probably result in dual reading DVD players.

The question is, what effect will this have on gaming platforms? XBOX360 has enabled an HD DVD readable drive. If Sony follows suit with the PS3, there could be trouble for HD on a gaming platform level. PS3 is a far superior system (Which is quite different from the XBOX - PS2 releases, where XBOX was superior) so factors such as games, advertising, will play a huge role.

BTW, if you want to get an XBOX/PS2 (for you or your kid or yourself), buy one from a video store. Games are cheap (10 - 25 dollars a crack... Ok, cheapER) They are practically giving them away. I bought two games and a PS2 last night from Blockbuster (Need to know someone working there I think) with a case and two controllers for $56 with tax. Have to love obsolete models.

Getting side tracked. The other possibility is:

HD will win, as Blu-ray is owned by Sony and history always repeats itself. XD

Out of the manaufacturers, who's got the deepest pockets to win this battle?

Probably Blu-ray, because there's more investors. (But I think that's because it was developed first... Or was it?)

Rugles

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Msg#: 10467 posted 9:11 pm on Jul 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

I hate it when they do this. Why can't they just get along and come up with a compromise. I wish they would both flop because people are wise to it and don't want to get burned again.

Lawman is right, hopefully somebody markets a universal machine.

TravelSite

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Msg#: 10467 posted 12:53 pm on Jul 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

My Desktop has 500GB of storage.

I can download movies onto my 80GB hard-drive laptop.

My mobile has a tiny card which holds 2GB (4GB now available) of data. Its not much bigger than my thumbnail - and only 1 or 2 millimeters thick.

My work experience placement just 13 years ago had me working at a college for a week. It was there that they introduced me to a new term called a "Gigabyte" - telling me how only advanced colleges had such large storage capacities - a storage capacity now dwarfed by my mobile phone.

The internet allows me to download and store music, movies, podcasts, tv episodes etc to flash memory cards or hard disks on pcs, tablets, portable music/video devices, usb devices etc.

Internet TV is about to come to the forefront - including some programmes shown only over the net.

Download speeds are getting quicker and quicker. Memory size gets larger and larger. Price of memory gets smaller and smaller. Lots of people have USB or Phone Memory Sticks.

People are slowly turning to the idea of buying content online and downloading it (movies, games, music etc) rather than waiting days for it to be posted. New consoles etc are encouraging buying and downloading new levels for games etc.

My laptop (a convertable tablet) is very light - until I have to add in the DVD Drive. I put this drive into my removeable bay once at week - at the very most.

So my conclusion has to be that... I'm not interested in either HD DVD or Blu-Ray!

I'll be buying anything I want online, downloading it to whatever device I want, and storing it on that device. I want to be able to transfer it onto any other device I own - including mobile devices. Buying and downloading takes seconds/minutes for cds/books - and (currently) a few hours for movies. Forget traveling to the shops or waiting days for something to arrive in the post!

Furthermore I do NOT want to carry about a DVD-type drive for my tablet/laptop or the new Ultra Mobile PCs. Nor do I want a big bulky box to go somewhere under my flat screen wall mounted TV!

Count me out - I'll be doing my very best to avoid both of these.

Hester

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Msg#: 10467 posted 11:00 am on Jul 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

I've heard these arguments so far:

Technically, Blu-Ray is the better format. It can hold more data, and has a scratch-resistant layer. But HD-DVD drives can also play DVDs, so they are bound to be more popular.

However, enough major companies are backing both formats, so they will likely both succeed, just like the format war that happened between DVD-R and DVD+R, with many machines now supporting both.

Of course neither format is relevant unless you own a high definition TV!

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Msg#: 10467 posted 12:18 pm on Jul 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

there are divices that play both, but I do think Blue-ray will do.

Automan Empire

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Msg#: 10467 posted 8:00 pm on Jul 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

What Travelsite said. I bet they BOTH flop eventually.

Try shopping for a vehicle CD changer. The big box stores had only one kind on display when I was looking.

Also, the big chain music store in town... they seem to have gotten rather casual about business hours lately.

With so much media downloadable, and flash memory getting cheaper than sand, it doesn't look like a great time to be in the optical disc business.
-Automan

Hester

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Msg#: 10467 posted 10:13 am on Jul 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

But we are not talking about CDs but movies. The difference is also between DVD quality and high-definition quality. There is no comparison to CD.

The make or break time will come when people fail to see a reason to upgrade. I read one comment that said why upgrade when DVD is so great? It's not like it's really fuzzy or anything.

engine

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Msg#: 10467 posted 5:36 pm on Jul 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

It's all very well having massive hard drives to store gigs of movies, data, etc., but the content is not so easily transportable.

With either disk format, the data is archived and playable in a compatible machine, whereas the data on your hard drive is not so easily transferred. We're talking big files, not an average backup on a PC.

Hard drives, although much improved, are likely to crash as some point, whereas, an optical disk is only likely to break or catch fire with some abuse.

I use a hard-drive-based video recorder and archive special stuff off to DVD. At the moment, I can take the archived stuff and watch it on another DVD player quite easily. The everyday stuff is simply wiped from the hard drive.

With that in mind, I still see the need for optical disks, alongside hard drives, for the near forseeable future, but, which format to go for? I very much doubt I'll be an early adopter of one or another. I'll wait.

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