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England out of the world cup
yet again
Essex_boy

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Msg#: 10457 posted 6:01 pm on Jul 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Cant we just have replays in future?

 

jecasc

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Msg#: 10457 posted 6:03 pm on Jul 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Too bad! I was looking forward to a final England-Germany. Now it will be Brasil-Germany again...

trillianjedi

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Msg#: 10457 posted 6:21 pm on Jul 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

We deserved to go out - didn't really have the right to be there in the first place.

It's been a great tournament though, looking forward to the next couple of games.

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Msg#: 10457 posted 6:25 pm on Jul 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yep, England did deserve to go out due to negative tactics by Sven and now we have Steve Mclaren to look forward to :o

But Ronaldo is really an embarrasment to Portugese Football and the Nation (IMO)

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Msg#: 10457 posted 6:40 pm on Jul 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

We deserved to go out - didn't really have the right to be there in the first place.

It's been a great tournament though, looking forward to the next couple of games.

Of course you had the right to be there - you qualified! (I wish Scotland had). Also, England are amongst the top 32 teams in the World. You did not however have the right to progress without playing good football. S.G. Erickson must shoulder most of the blame for this.

I would not agree that it has been a great tournament. Too many of the "top" teams have mostly failed to impress and they should be able to do this at the World Cup finals.

But Ronaldo is really an embarrasment to Portugese Football and the Nation (IMO)

It was Shrek who kicked the guy in the nuts, isn't he an embarrassment to English football? BTW, do you think he will be crucified by your press the way Beckham was in 1998?

Think about what would have happened if Rooney had witnessed someone kicking an England player. Do you honestly think that he would have stood quietly by while the ref dealt with it?

After half an hour of the game I said to my wife that Rooney was going to lose the plot and get sent off. The guy may be able to play a bit but he is also a liability.

Sad comment by Alan Shearer in the studio after the game when he suggested that Rooney should "stick one on him" when they turn up at Man U for pre season training. This is not what we need to hear from our football icons.

[edited by: BeeDeeDubbleU at 6:42 pm (utc) on July 1, 2006]

Dayo_UK

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Msg#: 10457 posted 6:41 pm on Jul 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

>>>It was Shrek who kicked the guy in the nuts isn't he an embarrassment to English football?

In a different way yes - because he cant keep his cool when he pushed someone - but are you 10000000000% sure that the kick in the nuts was delibrate? If so fair enough - I disagree.

He was not sent off for that - you can see he was clearly sent off for the push not for that challenge - of course FIFA will say differently afterwards - but if you watch the Ref there is no doubt in a million years it was for the push.

As for Ronaldo head butting his team mate from Man United before the game - that is a different league from what Rooney did when he was fired up.

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Msg#: 10457 posted 7:04 pm on Jul 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Ronaldo has interest from Real Madrid, so he knows he'll probably be leaving man utd soon. It seems all loyalties to his team mate have evaporated.

The way he ran up to the referee was a disgrace....To me it looked like Rooney was facing in the opposite direction when he kicked the portugese guy....At worst it should have been a yellow card.

Still Rooney shouldn't have been so naive and kept a lid on his temper. Did you see Ronaldo's little wink to a team mate after Rooney was sent off?

I'm sick as the proverbial parrott.

Still playing 4-5-1 England didn't deserve to win with such negative tactics.

Lobo

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Msg#: 10457 posted 9:08 pm on Jul 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Now it will be Brasil-Germany again...

Think again .. France just beat them..

And England being out is just great.. once again they fell victim to their own over-hype and were just laughable... what ever way you look at it, out of these so called great players 3 of them missed a penalty ..

Alex_Miles

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Msg#: 10457 posted 9:14 pm on Jul 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

After half an hour of the game I said to my wife that Rooney was going to lose the plot and get sent off. The guy may be able to play a bit but he is also a liability.

I've often thought he would be happier playing rugby.

jecasc

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Msg#: 10457 posted 9:16 pm on Jul 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Dang... Brazil out, England out. If someone had told me this in the morning I would not have believed that. However France deserved to win. I thought Brazil only was running on half power because it was enough to beat the opponents so far. But half power was not enough against France... Only a good thing I'm not into betting.

2oddSox

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Msg#: 10457 posted 9:37 pm on Jul 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

I've often thought he would be happier playing rugby

He wouldn't last 10 mins.

FromRocky

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Msg#: 10457 posted 9:58 pm on Jul 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Too bad! I was looking forward to a final England-Germany. Now it will be Brasil-Germany again...

Which Brasil?

Lobo

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Msg#: 10457 posted 10:01 pm on Jul 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

The way he ran up to the referee was a disgrace....To me it looked like Rooney was facing in the opposite direction when he kicked the portugese guy....At worst it should have been a yellow card.

And here is an example of how English people live in a little dream world..

It was obvious that Ronaldo had already told his team mates how to wind up rooney, that he would crack and he did, the guy is a thick idiot, how taking advantage of a weakness like that is a disgrace? I don't know, it's part of the game, psychologically sussing out your apponent and showing him up for the sucker he is..

It was a deliberate kick in the nuts, he deserved the straight red, without question..

walkman



 
Msg#: 10457 posted 11:38 pm on Jul 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

>> He was not sent off for that - you can see he was clearly sent off for the push not for that challenge - of course FIFA will say differently afterwards - but if you watch the Ref there is no doubt in a million years it was for the push.

the push IMO was the "second" yellow card. He would have gotten maybe a yellow for the stomping, but when he pushed Ronaldo in front of the ref, he begged to be thrown out. He is a bully and needs to get his @ss kicked badly. They only reason he does so is because he knows, or has seen so far, that others can control their temper and do not hit or push him back.

As far as Ronaldo pushing to get him expelled: it does seem bad, but most players do this; they fake injuries, fall for no reason or harder than they have to, protest even when they know they are at fault so I see why he did it. If you can get England's best hope out, why not do it? It's nothing personal, it's just business, and they would have done it to Ronaldo too if they had the chance. Let's not forget that in the end, the ref made the decision, and Rooney who acted like a kid. He needs to chill out or he can kiss his career goodbye.

Lobo

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Msg#: 10457 posted 11:47 pm on Jul 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Excuse me? I don't know what rules you want to follow? but he DELIBERATELY kicked down on the player, that is always a straight red! the fact that he stomped in a very sensitve area, offered no sympathy.. stop kidding yourself on..

Visit Thailand

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Msg#: 10457 posted 6:10 am on Jul 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have watched it time and time again and is difficult to see if the kick was deliberate. Personally I think he maybe should have won a free kick before it ever got to that.

Ronaldo,(that guy really fancies himself - I wish they would take the TV's out of the stadium so we would not have to watch him keep admiring himself) should have got a yellow for inflaming the situation.

Regardless, England played very well without only 10 men. They missed some good chances and you cannot afford to do that at the highest level.

What is the English press like this morning? It seems like the internet press is being quite light on Rooney.

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Msg#: 10457 posted 9:19 am on Jul 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have watched it time and time again and is difficult to see if the kick was deliberate.

You can stand on someones leg or arm accidentally but think about it, it's very difficult to stand on someone's nuts unless you are trying to do so.

Did you see Ronaldo's little wink to a team mate after Rooney was sent off?

Portugal were playing England's superstars in the quarter final of the World Cup. The player whom England had been promoting as their match winner had just been sent off for a vicious foul. They were down to ten men. You realise that you are now in with a good chance of progressing. I think I would have been winking at my team mates too.

Regardless, England played very well without only 10 men.

So which one do you reckon played? ;)

What is the English press like this morning? It seems like the internet press is being quite light on Rooney.

Do you remember when the boy Beckham got sent off in the 98 cup for his silly little niggle at Simeone the Argentinian guy? Do you remember what what he had to take for the English media for that infraction?

It's a measure of the further deterioration of this same, sad media when, just eight years later, they lay off a young player with a serious discipline problem who was seen to blatantly kick a guy in the nuts and try to turn the blame onto the opposition for protesting about this. I appreciate the disappointment but let's get this into perspective.

Dayo_UK

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Msg#: 10457 posted 9:30 am on Jul 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

>>> but he DELIBERATELY kicked down on the player

Not in a million years can that be proved to be delibrate - Rooney does not have eyes in the back of his head and you cant expect him to keep his feet hovering of the ground for the rest of his life - he was just battling away for the ball.

The red card was not for that - just watch the ref - he was going to take no action against Rooney until after he saw the push on Ronaldo.

I 100% agree that Ronaldo and Portugal went out to test Rooney temperament

BeeDeeDubbleU

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Msg#: 10457 posted 9:38 am on Jul 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

The balanced view on England and Erickson ...

He (Erickson) had no idea who the referee was on the night. Massimo Busacca was the man in charge. The name would have meant something to Rooney who behaved like a lunatic the last time Busacca refereed an England game - the ill-fated visit to Windsor Park in the qualifying campaign. A manager on top of his game would have sussed this and would have told Rooney that he ought to be careful, that maybe Rooney's card was marked from before, that maybe that referee might feel he had unfinished business with the player. It didn't matter in the end, but this was another little example of many of how Eriksson failed England.

This is from a quality Sunday Newspaper. They seem to have a better perspective of what went wrong.

[sport.scotsman.com...]

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Msg#: 10457 posted 10:21 am on Jul 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

England deserved to go out and Rooney is a silly boy, but lets not forget he's still only 20 years of age, carrying the weight of a nation and a marked man by opponents.

With Rooney it's frustration, he has so much energy and power, sometime it can be a negative thing. He should have won a foul prior to his stamp on the Portugal player and his frustration at being pushed, kicked and stood on by 3 Portugal players with no help from team-mates or the ref, saw him lash out.

He needs to curb that and use his will to win, desire and passion in a more positive way.

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Msg#: 10457 posted 10:26 am on Jul 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

You can stand on someones leg or arm accidentally but think about it, it's very difficult to stand on someone's nuts unless you are trying to do so.

Actually I would have to think about it to stand on a specific area especially when in a tangle for which Rooney should have got a free kick anyway.

England played better after Rooney went off anyway, with Crouch and Lennon providing some much needed inspiration.

Is a pity Walcott did not even get a few minutes of game time, would have been interesting to see.

If England could play like the did in the second half for a full 90 minutes and manage to keep all their players on the pitch, then there are not many teams in the world that could beat them.

BeeDeeDubbleU

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Msg#: 10457 posted 11:49 am on Jul 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

... he's still only 20 years of age, carrying the weight of a nation

Come on, it's just puppy fat ;)

If England could play like they did in the second half for a full 90 minutes and manage to keep all their players on the pitch, then there are not many teams in the world that could beat them.

VT I think you must have been watching a different game. Portugal were not great but they were better than England. The second half for England was a good defensive performance but that does not win games.

You have to accept the fact that England will not be missed. They were a poor team with dreadful tactics and just about zero entertainment value (unless you are English).

SUMMARY
This England was a dour, defensive team. They were lucky to beat Paraguay, they laboured against T 'n T before taking the lead with a goal that should clearly have been disallowed and were more than matched by Sweden, another mediocre team. In the last 16 they trudged through the Uruguay game and, being honest, they were once again lucky to win.

Portugal were the first decent team that they had to face and it all ended in tears after another overall, poor performance. I don't think the competition will be any worse for their departure but we will still have to live with all the, "what might have been" references from the commentary team until next Sunday and beyond. Anyway, you can now look forward to Euro 2008 with your new manager and I don't think many of you will be sorry to see the back of Sven ;)

Note: this is not sour grapes from a Scot. It may be true that many Scots do not want England to win at football but this is because of the media hype that we have to suffer and it is purely a football thing. We cheer on your boxers, athletes and even your tennis players. The reason we do so is that the commentators in these sports keep their feet on the ground because they know their place in these sports (just like we Scots do in football).

BTW there was a report in this morning's press about an article on the TV news the other night. In an
effort to stir things up further the BBC draped an old car in English flags and parked it in the middle
of one of the poorest, most dangerous and deprived areas of Glasgow. What happened? Some of the
local neds came along and trashed the car. Surprised? Well I'm not, particularly when I heard that it was
likely that the BBC "encouraged" the perpetrators to do so for the purpose of spicing up the news article.
The film team was waiting to catch the whole affair on VT.

Lobo

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Msg#: 10457 posted 12:09 pm on Jul 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

>>> but he DELIBERATELY kicked down on the player
Not in a million years can that be proved to be delibrate

Well that depends on whether you know anything about football ..

I don't know under what circumstances kicking down and backwards on to someone, no where near the ball, is a footballing technique.. he knew where the player was and was trying to be sneeky about it but DELIBERATE it certainly was...

It's not the first time he has done something like that, it is a kicking out thing he does like a spoiled little kid that's not getting to play the way he wants..

jdhuk

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Msg#: 10457 posted 12:40 pm on Jul 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Bedee, you seem to take a great interest in the England performance.

Me thinks your statement "this is not sour grapes from a Scot." is not completely true ;-)

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Msg#: 10457 posted 12:47 pm on Jul 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Me thinks your statement "this is not sour grapes from a Scot." is not completely true ;-)

... then you are not absorbing what I am saying. ;)

Dayo_UK

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Msg#: 10457 posted 1:26 pm on Jul 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

>>>Well that depends on whether you know anything about football ..

Whatever, you have made your own decision.

To me it did not seem delibrate - but some how you have got into Rooneys brain and knew his state of mind - well done. (Must be a bit scary in there)

Reading most of the press they seem to have come to the conclusion it was accidental.....but wait they know nothing about football too.

I admit, perhaps I have not seen it enough times to see how much kicking back there was....not really seen it since the initial replay - but most of the criticism Rooney is recieving is for the push not the so called stamp.

Anyway, the sending off was not for that - anyone with half a brain cell can see that the ref only thought about any punishment when he saw the push.

But at the end of the day England under Sven were much to negative and Steve Mclaren will not improve things so 4 more years of poor negative football.

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Msg#: 10457 posted 1:46 pm on Jul 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Rooney should "stick one on him" - I saw that interview as well, did you see how the entire commentary panel went dead quiet for about 10 seconds afterwards? Weird.

LOBO - I agree they targeted Rooney end of story

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Msg#: 10457 posted 2:02 pm on Jul 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

In all fareness England played better after Rooney had been sent off. Bad way to end a game though.

Mack.

Matt Probert

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Msg#: 10457 posted 5:11 pm on Jul 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm an Englishman, I have little interest in soccer except from a technical perspective. I am appalled at the level of "professional fouls" I have witnessed in the World Cup this time. Dives and wind ups alike.

Rooney deserved to be sent off. The other players deserved yellow cards for stamping on his feet.

But ALL the players need some education in sportsmanship and fair play. It really isn't the winning, its how you play that counts, especially when children are watching you as role models.

Matt

Dayo_UK

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Msg#: 10457 posted 6:24 pm on Jul 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yep 100% agree.

Been the worst world cup ever due to cheating, stamping, trying to get other players sent off, fake injuries, rolling around on the floor, players holding their heads as if they have been elbowed in the face, to many tickets going to corporate sponsors etc etc.

At the beginning of everygame is the banner "My Game is Fair Play" - what a load of tosh.

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