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The FIFA World Cup: Which country will win & who wil be the star? 2
Part 2
RonPK




msg:301341
 7:38 am on Jun 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Continued from [webmasterworld.com...]

Anyone see Argentina - Mexico? Best match of the tournament, so far. The Mexicans didn't care about Argentina being the favourites and simply played great, offensive football. But Argentina kept cool and came back. Good referee, too. Me thinks this is how the game should be played.

Argentina - Germany could be a great quarter final!

[edited by: engine at 1:20 pm (utc) on June 27, 2006]

 

Visit Thailand




msg:301342
 10:38 am on Jun 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

I fell asleep and only managed to watch the second half but what I saw looked impressive, although from past matches I am surprised it took Argentina so long to win the game.

At least the game showed the world that Argentina are definitely beatable.

This evening's games promise to be extremely entertaining as well. Could Ecuador throw a spanner in England's constantly changing line-up?!

rj87uk




msg:301343
 11:12 am on Jun 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Was that deliberate?

Of Course not! :)

One team ive not seen/heard of so far is the Frenchies - hows that bunch getting on? HeHe - What is VaVaVoom?

walkman




msg:301344
 5:17 pm on Jun 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

>> Could Ecuador throw a spanner in England's constantly changing line-up?!

It could happen, but I am willing to bet that they will not. Beckham's going to step up and score IMO. Maybe in one of those free kicks. :)

Does anyoen know the story behind his long sleeves? Please tell me it's medical thing and not a fashion statement?

ytswy




msg:301345
 9:12 pm on Jun 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Does anyoen know the story behind his long sleeves? Please tell me it's medical thing and not a fashion statement?

I think it's to hide his tatoos. I seem to remember before the last world cup hearing that he was going to wear long sleeves because tatoos had associations with criminal gangs in Japan.

Visit Thailand




msg:301346
 3:38 am on Jun 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

It could happen, but I am willing to bet that they will not. Beckham's going to step up and score IMO. Maybe in one of those free kicks.

Now, that was impressive Walkman!

The game was apalling apart from Beckham's drop of genius.

I just can't help but wonder whether Scolari is going to teach the FA a very important lesson when Portugal meets England on Saturday.

I still find it ridiculous the way the FA behaved trying to chase a new England manager before the World Cup had even started.

So Walkman what is your take on that game....?

walkman




msg:301347
 4:45 am on Jun 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

>> Now, that was impressive Walkman!

This is only the begining my friend. Watch for my post on or around July 9th, I will predict the world cup winner--as soon as the game is over ;)

England vs Portugal:
If I had to bet, I'd guess that England wins, but that's because I have seen England play more, and in 50-50 situations I tend to go with the one I know better. England needs to wake up though, 1-0 against Ecuador, while still a win, is embarrasing. Play like that against Brazil, Germany, Argentina or even Portugal, and you're out.

I was reading that Scolari has won his last 11 matches in the World Cup (was Brazil's coach too). Sometimes coaches push the right buttons and make the team; most players of the World Cup caliber can rise to the occasion and the small differences in talent can be overcome with perseverance and will. Not sure if Cristiano Ronaldo can play, making it tougher for Portugal, given that Deco is definitely out.

Finals: Brazil - Germany. Why? Brazil is Brazil, and no need to explain that. As far as Germany: they have a great team, they are playing in their turf, and no matter how much they suck, they somehow manage to go in the finals. Call it luck, experience, or whatever...
Of course, Brazil, my favorite team since childhood wins :)

toothake




msg:301348
 6:10 am on Jun 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

Germany .-

jatar_k




msg:301349
 6:14 am on Jun 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

>> Play like that against Brazil, Germany, Argentina or even Portugal, and you're out.

will anyone even be playing for portugal in the next game?

Figo is lucky the ref was an idiot, head butt? last time I checked the colo9ur is red not yellow, then he wouldn't have been around to get the Dutch player out and then portugal prolly would have lost.

Visit Thailand




msg:301350
 7:10 am on Jun 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

will anyone even be playing for Portugal in the next game?

I bet every English fan around the world could not believe their luck when all those red cards started flying.

Mind you after last nights game, even if Portugal did not turn up, I am sure England would have difficulty creating chances and scoring, or god for bid, show a little passion or enthusiasm.

Figo may still be red carded and miss the England match. FIFA should do something but we will see.

At the beginning stages I was thinking Italy would do quite well, but I also now have a feeling that the Aussies could create the biggest surprise so far. Well, apart that is from Poll showing three yellow cards to the same player! lol

England might do well if someone would tell Lampard where the goal is, and teach him to shoot on target.

trillianjedi




msg:301351
 7:19 am on Jun 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

even if Portugal did not turn up, I am sure England would have difficulty creating chances and scoring, or god for bid, show a little passion or enthusiasm

I agree and it's a great shame. It's why we're rubbish at international football - absolutely no enthusiasm or passion.

TJ

incywincy




msg:301352
 7:24 am on Jun 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

Sven is a genius!

Who else could take a group of quality footballers, get them playing like a pub team and get paid five million pounds for it.

Dayo_UK




msg:301353
 8:21 am on Jun 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

England might just be able to raise their game when we finally come against good opposition - we normally do (but also normally just fall short)

On an un-England note there has been some real poor points in the last few games with cheating and trying to get the other player sent off.

Germany telling the ref what to do and patting him on the back!

Holland - Portugal - well the commentary in the UK blamed the Ref but looking at some of the fouls it is hard to argue against a lot of the bookings.

SilverLining




msg:301354
 9:30 am on Jun 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

Does anyone know the story behind his long sleeves - WM

think it's to hide his tatoos - ytswy

I thought that too, but then surely he would have kept his shirt on last night after the game or maybe have worn a shirt underneath. Maybe it's a "gentleman" thing like wearing long sleeves in golf.

Walkman, that was an impressive prediction/guess (Beckham scoring from free kick)...

BeeDeeDubbleU




msg:301355
 10:08 am on Jun 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

Holland - Portugal - well the commentary in the UK blamed the Ref but looking at some of the fouls it is hard to argue against a lot of the bookings.

I agree. What is the ref supposed to do? Ignore it?

Patrick Taylor




msg:301356
 10:13 am on Jun 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

Watching England play international football is invariably boring, and has been for decades. It's true... there's no passion. I love watching the World Cup, and it really doesn't feel as if it matters too much if England is there or not (and I'm English).

The night before last, Mexico put on a thrilling display of football passion against Argentina. Wonderful to watch. And hopefully today, Monday, we'll see some passion from Australia versus Italy - and a win.

As far as last night's game between Holland and Portugal is concerned (and apparently the Portugese coach, a Brazilian, tells his team to die for their country) I think the ref's intention was correct, even if he seemed to lose control of the game at times. Fouling and diving are ruining football. It's almost guaranteed that when an attacking player breaks loose out in front, the defence will try to bring him down. I think players should be sent off and banned for three matches after 2 dives or fouls - and the occasional mistake is a price worth paying to clean up the game.

The foul against Portugal's Ronaldo, possibly removing him from the next game, was little short of criminal assault (not to mention the later head butt). This sort of thing should be eradicated permanently... but of course it won't be, as the BBC commentary ridiculing the ref demonstrates.

Grassroots




msg:301357
 11:28 am on Jun 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

I don't get this "they aren't passionate" - of course they are! It's madness to suggest otherwise. They want to win badly and to be considered champions of the world.

It is true we haven't played well, in patches we have, but overall we've been one of the worst team's in the tournament. But the spirit is very good and there for all to see. We haven't clicked yet and haven't really gotten out of first gear. If we do click and change gear, I'm confident we can beat any side still left in it and despite our poor showings, no side will fancy facing England because they know that we can play much much better.

We have won 9 and drawn 1 of the last 10 matches - against varied opposition from Europe and S.America, we are hard to beat yet also very dangerous because we have match winners. It only takes one free kick from Beckham, a bit of magic from Joe Cole or Rooney, a 30 yard shot from Gerrard or Lampard.

Team's like Germany have to play out of their skin to progress as they don't have the match winners. What happens if we play out of our skin? We'll turn over some top sides that's what would happen.

We'll raise our game against Portugal and I expect an exciting, bruising encounter. It's nail biting time again, buck up and enjoy the ride.

neo_brown




msg:301358
 11:33 am on Jun 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

It was a dirty game but 16 cards?
I feel the ref went a little overboard. No doubt some of the fouls were deserving of yellow cards and you just cant ever expect to get away with a headbutt but still I feel the ref got a little carried away.

Visit Thailand




msg:301359
 11:55 am on Jun 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

What happens if we play out of our skin? We'll turn over some top sides that's what would happen.

Wake me up when it happens. Even the last World Cup against Brazil, England could and should have won that game. What happened, they scored and then did not turn up for the second half. To sit back on a 1 nil lead is stupid at the best of times, but against a team like Brazil and in the World cup is lunacy.

I am sure every English fan is happy about last night's win, but just imagine if they had won convincingly. Portugal would be shaking in their boots, instead they are probably thinking about how to play Brazil in their Semi.

The English already seem to have all their excuses lined up. It is hot, Rooney needs to be on form to win, injuries, etc. etc.

Anyway, I will be cheering Australia tonight - and I know they will be playing with ferocious passion.

Grassroots




msg:301360
 12:33 pm on Jun 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

If we had of won convincenly the whole nation would be repeating the following: "We're gonna win the World Cup". Complacancy has been England's thorn many a time.

I'm still pretty certain that Portugal won't exactly be licking their lips at the prospect of facing England, regardless of our performances. Footballer's aren't daft and the Portugal players have been in a similar situation as all teams have where they haven't played well but won.

They will know England can play much better and will still fear us, just like we'll fear them.

The Aussies are no more passionate than any side in the competition so I don't see why you emphasised their passion. Ashley Cole showed plenty of passion by running 40 yards to deflect a shot on goal onto the bar, a ball he had no right to even get near. Beckham showed plenty of passion by playing on despite being sick. Rooney just being on the pitch is showing just how passionate he is.

By rights he shouldn't even be at the games but for some unexplained reason his foot healed and he's fighting fit enough to play. He ran his socks off yesterday despite not being match fit. Is that not passion?

What about Gerrard working tirelessly for the team, propping up on the right, left and centre?

Passion isn't measured by tub thumping, group hudles or the sweat dripping from a player's forehead.

Passion comes from a desire to win, 9 wins and 1 draw in the last 10 games is proof enough that the England players are both passionate and dedicated.

We may not run about like headless chickens or chase everything, but some of our players have just completed 50-60 game seasons in arguably the toughest, quickest league in the world, playing in intense pressure cooker matches every other week.

Half the Aussie squad have missed large chunks of the season with injury, I should know because Craig Moore plays for my club.

Team's who play with the head win matches, team's who play with the heart go home - Ivory Coast anyone?

Team's who play with both win trophies.

RonPK




msg:301361
 4:54 pm on Jun 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

My orange t-shirt now is in the laundry.

Australia just got eliminated in the last minute. So far all matches in the second round have been won by group winners.

walkman




msg:301362
 5:00 pm on Jun 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

>> Australia just got eliminated in the last minute

Australia just got eliminated 4 minutes after the last minute ;). Sad story, and I am not sure that was a penalty to begin with.

Grassroots




msg:301363
 5:04 pm on Jun 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

You'd have thought those passionate Ozzies would have beaten the Italian's...

Nah I'm gutted for them, well Craig Moore anyway.

incywincy




msg:301364
 7:47 am on Jun 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

All I can say is that FIFA should stop these players cheating. Last night's penalty was a travesty of justice. If Australia had played with passion they would have gone for the jugular and put Italy away long before the diving goggles were fitted.

Visit Thailand




msg:301365
 7:56 am on Jun 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

I think Australia played pretty well, and were lucky not to concede a couple during the match.

The problem for Australia was not the lack of passion, which they had in abundance but the lack of any finishing prowess in front of goal, but they did give it their all in my view. Perhaps if Kewell had been playing it would have been a different story.

The penalty decision was shocking, the Australian's mistake though, as he should not have gone to ground and allowed it to happen.

[edited by: Visit_Thailand at 8:02 am (utc) on June 27, 2006]

shaadi




msg:301366
 7:58 am on Jun 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Some of the FIFA referees and assistant referees are certainly baised when it comes to European countries.

Visit Thailand




msg:301367
 8:01 am on Jun 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Some of the FIFA referees and assistant referees are certainly baised when it comes to European countries.

I diagree completely. I think some teams like the Italians just know what to show the ref. Yes it is wrong, but like I said in my last post the Aussie should not have gone to ground to allow him to do that.

Nybo




msg:301368
 8:04 am on Jun 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Established powers in football are sometimes given "preferential treatment". Old story.

BeeDeeDubbleU




msg:301369
 8:05 am on Jun 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

All I can say is that FIFA should stop these players cheating. Last night's penalty was a travesty of justice.

It was bad luck for Oz but the referee called it like he saw it without the benefit of a replay and I must admit when I saw it at first I would have given the same decision. Also, I don't think Grosso dived, he tripped over Neil, the Australian.

The Italians can also consider themselves very unlucky to have Materazzi sent off for what was not a serious foul. If he had stayed on they would probably have gone on to win anyway.

Shak




msg:301370
 12:00 pm on Jun 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm glad that Ukraine won, however that was the most boring game ever ...

Shak

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