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The FIFA World Cup: Which country will win & who wil be the star? 2
Part 2
RonPK




msg:301341
 7:38 am on Jun 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Continued from [webmasterworld.com...]

Anyone see Argentina - Mexico? Best match of the tournament, so far. The Mexicans didn't care about Argentina being the favourites and simply played great, offensive football. But Argentina kept cool and came back. Good referee, too. Me thinks this is how the game should be played.

Argentina - Germany could be a great quarter final!

[edited by: engine at 1:20 pm (utc) on June 27, 2006]

 

neo_brown




msg:301401
 4:57 pm on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am but only because of players such as Henry and previously Viera.
I would guess judging the best player in the world is a pretty personal thing, as in we all have our own idea's and views. Sorry, please advise me of who I should regard as the best player in the world and I will immediatly change my opinion.

incywincy




msg:301402
 7:16 am on Jun 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

wasn't ronaldinho voted fifa world player of the year? i believe that is a vote made by the professional players themselves. surely being voted for by your peers is the greatest accolade?

Visit Thailand




msg:301403
 9:22 am on Jun 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

Sorry, please advise me of who I should regard as the best player in the world and I will immediatly change my opinion.

You seriously think Henry is better than Roaldhino, Zindane etc? and I support none of their teams.

Anyway, regardless who is going to the semis?

I would have said Argentina but their display against Mexico was less than convincing.

BeeDeeDubbleU




msg:301404
 9:36 am on Jun 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

Sorry, please advise me of who I should regard as the best player in the world and I will immediatly change my opinion.

Ronaldinho and he is seldom if ever guilty of "simulation". ;)

neo_brown




msg:301405
 9:46 am on Jun 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

He was indeed incywincy but bare in mind Henry was voted second, so the players views dont differ from mine that much ;-)

Todays first match?
Argentina!
They didnt deal with Mexico as expected but Mexico played some really good football, was a shame one of the teams had to go.

incywincy




msg:301406
 11:00 am on Jun 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

yes i think both argentina and mexico are better than germany. but the germans will probably win on penalties. also look out for host refereeing.

you have to admire german resilience and will though, you can't ever rule them out. It aint over until Ronaldo sings.

Grassroots




msg:301407
 1:19 pm on Jun 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

Henry is the best striker in world football, Ronaldinho is the best player in the world. IMO.

Yet I wouldn't swap any of them for Wayne Rooney who at 20, is arguably one of the best all-round players in the game today. It is scary as to just what he could achieve or become because he's just a baby really in footballing terms.

Best all-round midfielder I'd say would be Steven Gerrard.

Best defender: Ayala

Best 'keeper: Shay Given :)

Best team: Newcastle United :)

walkman




msg:301408
 4:39 pm on Jun 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

did I tell you guys that Klose is amazing? Just saved Germany's @ss--unless they still manage to lose.

Grassroots




msg:301409
 5:51 pm on Jun 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

Klose is an exceptional taker of chances but he's quite average. Well done Germany by the way, I'm glad they won as they deserved it and I like Klinsmann.

neo_brown




msg:301410
 6:02 pm on Jun 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

yeh Klinsman is quality!
Well done to the Germans, especially considering they apparently have only one worldclass player.

Maybe Argentina would have done better if they had Given in goal.

walkman




msg:301411
 8:45 pm on Jun 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

>> Klose is an exceptional taker of chances but he's quite average

that's all he needs to do as a striker...score a goal here and there and he's the man. He also happened not to be selfish at all; passed the ball for both of Podolski's goals (if I am not mistaken).

incywincy




msg:301412
 9:31 pm on Jun 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

for the sake of the game I hope that a team playing with passion overcomes germany. grinding out a win with penalties is not waht football is about.

does anyone really want to see a clinical football machine win?

Thajudeen




msg:301413
 10:14 pm on Jun 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

I hope brazil and germany will play the final.
Roanaldo will be the best palyer.

Patrick Taylor




msg:301414
 10:21 pm on Jun 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

Germany were only a clinical football machine in the penalty shoot-out. For decades the German teams have tended to be branded as clinical, efficient, etc, but this has become a bit of a cliche - their match against Argentina seemed to be a passionate one on both sides.

I suppose different nations inevitably have their own behavioural tendencies in some things (for whatever reason), and Germany is renowned for its "efficiency", but in this game they played fine football by any standards, driven on by the emotional Klinsmann.

We will probably see England raise their game against Portugal too, but if it ends up with a penalty shoot-out, I hope they are as clinical as Germany were in theirs (or call it "bottle").

[edited by: Patrick_Taylor at 10:24 pm (utc) on June 30, 2006]

jecasc




msg:301415
 10:22 pm on Jun 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

Does anyone really want to see a clinical football machine win?

Have you seen any of the matches Germany against Costa Rica, Poland, Ecuador or Sweden? This is the first german team I have ever seen playing good offensive and entertaining football. Klinsmann has changed the style of the german team entirely.

The match against Argentina was a bit dull I have to admit, since both teams were a little bit to timid until the first goal. However the german team had more clear chances than Argentina and deserved to win.

jdhuk




msg:301416
 11:16 am on Jul 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Just finished work, its a glorious sunny day, England are playing in the quarter finals of the World Cup and I'm going for a beer.

What more can you ask for, sigh.

apart from a win of course

walkman




msg:301417
 8:58 pm on Jul 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Well, France deserves to go to the finals based on how the schooled Brazil. What a shame..totally owned.

Visit Thailand




msg:301418
 1:48 am on Jul 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Does anyone actually know what Rooney was sent off for? Did the ref make any kind of statement of is everything pure speculation?

I think England played very well indeed, especially after Crouch came on. He and Lennon made such a difference to the game with England looking likely to score.

And as for France- wow many did not expect them to get past Spain nevermind Brazil.

walkman




msg:301419
 5:28 am on Jul 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

see #14-15 [webmasterworld.com...]

the idiot deserved to get thrown out, stomped a player's private parts, and then pushed C. Ronaldo in front of the ref. Even if the stomping was unintentional, pushing Ronaldo would have been enough (He might have gotten away only with a yellow card had he not pushed Ronaldo.)

Think of the hundreds of millions of worldwide fans hoping England wins, and he can't contain his anger for another 20-30 minutes, causing his team to play with ten players. I know he's mad that he sucked and didn't score, but that is his problem. If I was the coach, he would not be on the team ever again--unless he got clearance from a psychologist. I know anger makes him who he is, but still, he needs to control it somewhat.

On another note: What the h_ll is wrong with Beckham anyway? Did he break a nail or something? Unless he got out so his hair wouldn't be messed up any more because of sweat. This is the second time he had to leave because he didn't feel good.

BeeDeeDubbleU




msg:301420
 9:54 am on Jul 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Just finished work, its a glorious sunny day, England are playing in the quarter finals of the World Cup and I'm going for a beer.

What more can you ask for, sigh.

Now? Try Solpadeine ;)

jdhuk




msg:301421
 11:29 am on Jul 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have to confess I'm heart broken, I feel sick to the stomach.

Football is a wonderful game although it can be very cruel at times. Being a passionate England fan feeling completely devastated in big tournaments is something I'm used to.

The only good thing to come out of this is Sven has gone, good riddance. I never liked him as our manager from day one. I like Beckham as a person he does alot for kids and charities but his time as Englands captain has come to an end IMO. <added, just seen the press report he has stood down>

The only form of "relief" I need right now is for France to beat Portugal so I can glee over Ronaldo's tears, that will make me feel a whole lot better :)

[edited by: jdhuk at 11:53 am (utc) on July 2, 2006]

Patrick Taylor




msg:301422
 11:33 am on Jul 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

What's Solpadeine? Anyway... to get back to the original question (who will be the star?) there's every chance of it being France. Their performance against Brazil was a masterclass, with a personal masterclass from Zidane.

BeeDeeDubbleU




msg:301423
 12:17 pm on Jul 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hangover cure ;)

RonPK




msg:301424
 12:36 pm on Jul 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yeah, the original question... can I still change my prediction ;) It now looks like Germany will win: they play nice, offensive football and have straightened out their defense problems. France is also improving and have a good coach: not many coaches have the guts to bring on another attacker when leading 1-0.

One thing I dislike about the German team is the way they thank the referee when an opponent gets booked. Thumbs up, pad the referee's shoulder: rather sick, IMHO. Seen it twice this tournament.

Visit Thailand




msg:301425
 12:52 pm on Jul 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

with a personal masterclass from Zidane.

I only survived the first half of the France game before I could keep my eyes open no longer and have to agree that Zidane was on fire last night.

If he can keep that sort of performance up for just two more games, France could well win on German soil.

Patrick Taylor




msg:301426
 1:24 pm on Jul 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

RonPK, I think you can change your prediction (I've changed mine from Spain) but of course "which country will win?" and "who will be the star?" are two different questions. Germany could win and France could be the star.

I fully agree with you about the German habit of patting the ref... it is sickening. I thought there was a rule never to touch the ref. And no true sportsman should enjoy an opponent being penalised for something unless rule exploitation is an inherent part of the sport in question, as it is in yacht racing (but not in football).

One thing that will marr France's stardom, if they achieve it, is Henry's cheating towards the end of their match against Spain.

Visit Thailand, it's a pity you missed the second half, because that was when the masterclass really took place.

neo_brown




msg:301427
 12:21 pm on Jul 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

Henry didnt cheat he just ensured the ref appreciated the foul ;-).
I mean compare that to Ronaldo, who seemed intent on winding Rooney up from the beggining of the match.
No excuse on Rooneys part though, he should have been smarter than that.
It was a pleasure to watch Brazil and France, what a contrast. Two teams of classy players with respect for each other and the game. To see the some Brasilian players congratulating the French players was sheer class. France to beat Germany in the final!

mikeD




msg:301428
 12:42 pm on Jul 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

I personally think Rooney hardly touched the guy, he was getting fouled by both of them anyhow. The guy was too honest and manly to fall down like a girl. And he was well within his right to push Ronaldo, the guy is a sneak and a cheat. Every tournament the cheats win. Maybe FIFA should start penalising these players after the game. Henry, Ronaldo should both have been banned for what they did, likewise the germans and all teams that surround the ref, and Crouch for the Trinidad game for pulling the guys hair. I find nothing more sickening than cheats prospering at sport.

BeeDeeDubbleU




msg:301429
 1:13 pm on Jul 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

It was a pleasure to watch Brazil and France, what a contrast. Two teams of classy players with respect for each other and the game.

Absolutely!

And he was well within his right to push Ronaldo, the guy is a sneak and a cheat.

Absolutely not! (It's against the rules) ;)

But I have said this before and I will say it again. Can you see the situation the other way round? Let's say that Joe Cole went down and one of the Portuguese players deliberately stood on his knackers. Wayne Rooney (or any of the other English players) is in the vicinity and sees this happening. Can you see them quietly standing by while the ref deals with it? Do you honestly believe that they would not be protesting to the referee?

rkhare




msg:301430
 1:42 pm on Jul 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

hmmm wow what a nice break from football after fall of England and Brazil. I thought will never watch any other sport for some time.

but great, what a great final of cricket test between West Indies and India. Irrespective of the result, it was a great game and great sportsmanship by both teams.

I know cricket for many of you is a stranger but for us here in Indian Subcontinent, its what football is for rest of the world.

and yes what else can one do seeing rooney out for no fowl of his, atleast presence of third umpire in cricket discounts for any refree errors.

FIFA should learn something from cricket authorities and start using technology for better decision making. this will enable red cards for faking as discussed by walkman in [webmasterworld.com ]

and towards the orignal question, now Germany seems to be the favourite.

Nybo




msg:301431
 2:13 pm on Jul 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

> The guy was too honest and manly to fall down like a girl.

Wow! I wonder what the female members will say about that.

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