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Interesting way to keep auto-generated sites online.
I've had some success with this method
VKworld




msg:1393658
 8:54 am on Sep 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Basically, I create two websites to keep my auto generated websites in the SERPs.

It involves TWO websites (2 different domain names). One of them is an auto generated website made with several of the available "made for Adsense" page makers (this website should be 1000+ pages).

The other is a website of about 10 webpages, each page with original articles of about 200 words each. You could put some Adsense blocks on the pages with your original content for some extra cash.

Then put in a link on EACH page of your original website to the index page of your auto-generated website. Pay more attention to your original 10 page website concentrating on getting a higher page rank for that site (links, maybe even more original article page, etc). With higher page rank, spiders will crawl it well and follow it right to your auto-generated 1000+ page Adsense website.

Does this sound like a good method? It's worked pretty well for me. I figure I'm doing work, getting visitors to Google advertisers websites so it's a win/win situation...beats writing 1000+ pages of original content, I just have to write 10 pages of original content. I'm in this Adsense game to make money and since this an Adsense forum, I assume readers of this post are in the game to make money, too.

 

jetteroheller




msg:1393659
 9:09 am on Sep 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

I assume readers of this post are in the game to make money, too.

But there is a big difference how to make money.

One works in the bank
One enters the bank with a gun

In the long run, the first earns much more money, and has a safe life.

In the long run, the second lives in complete unsecurity

Maxima




msg:1393660
 9:17 am on Sep 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Excellent analogy jetteroheller :)

VKworld




msg:1393661
 9:47 am on Sep 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

The way I do it is entirely legal, I contacted Google Adsense support and they tell me it's within Adsense TOS.

The difference is guy that wants to work hard thinks there's some nobility in workin hard.

And no, I'm not scared that my earning will go down, they're growing almost exponentially, I put up about 50 sites a month now, if one goes off the SERPs, I have another 49 that month to take it's place...it's the sheer volume.

I'll let the folks that are still naive enough to think that keep doing that...the world runs on people like you, you allow people like me to collect my profits with impunity.

Thanks! And, try it my way, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

[edited by: VKworld at 9:53 am (utc) on Sep. 16, 2005]

OddDog




msg:1393662
 9:49 am on Sep 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

no, thats not an excellant analogy.

I believe that a more constructive response is in order.

VKworld, I would recomend that you hang around a here a while, and you will see that the extended wisdom is to go for original quality content.

Yes it is hard work.
Yes it takes longer to get up and running.

But you are not fighting the ever changing algo.

Rather you are spending your time on your principal mission - good content.

3kaday




msg:1393663
 9:57 am on Sep 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

vkworld will have much more time to lurk around in forums when he has retired financially free, while others are slogging away "working in the bank" only to retire poor on a pension that was less than their meager salary was! Good luck to anyone who has a legal strategy to exit the rat race.

jetteroheller




msg:1393664
 10:09 am on Sep 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

And no, I'm not scared that my earning will go down, they're growing almost exponentially, I put up about 50 sites a month now, if one goes off the SERPs, I have another 49 that month to take it's place...it's the sheer volume.

I wish Goolge much luck in the fight against the Hydra.

JuniorOptimizer




msg:1393665
 11:18 am on Sep 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Exponential income growth. What a stud.

jetteroheller




msg:1393666
 11:25 am on Sep 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

vkworld will have much more time to lurk around in forums

He will have much stress.

It's very stupid not to be able to caclulate the future and what will be really going on.

Only very few bank robbers earn in 50 years more than the average worker.

Only very few scrap sites will earn in only 20 years more money, than somebody playing the game honest.

I will maybe make in 20 years more than 1 million by AdSense.

Do You really think, that he has even a 0,1% chance for 1 million in 20 years?

sren




msg:1393667
 11:26 am on Sep 16, 2005 (gmt 0)


The way I do it is entirely legal

Sure.
And the autogenerated content is being written by angels floating on the clouds.

ownerrim




msg:1393668
 11:45 am on Sep 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Crap sites come, crap sites go
When you'll get booted you just can't know

3kaday




msg:1393669
 12:54 pm on Sep 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Its a numbers game. If you've got 1000 sites who cares if one gets "booted". What's really silly is to put your life's work into one site and then have that de-indexed.

You need to leverage. Tescos (or Walmart) don't operate out of one store.

ncreegan




msg:1393670
 1:18 pm on Sep 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Its a numbers game. If you've got 1000 sites who cares if one gets "booted". What's really silly is to put your life's work into one site and then have that de-indexed.

It IS a numbers game. How many more days will it be until you have some angry webmaster make a complaint on one of your thousands of spam websites?

start counting :-)

Frequent




msg:1393671
 1:28 pm on Sep 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

You may have 1000 sites but you only have 1 adsense account (presumably :). Your 1000 autogenerated sites won't do you much good if your adsense account gets disabled.

Freq---

3kaday




msg:1393672
 1:36 pm on Sep 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Its not necessarily spam just because you have got a lot of sites. You can add all sorts of things to add value and if the users are clicking on ads/affiliate links of their own accord then you have provided a service.

ncreegan




msg:1393673
 1:39 pm on Sep 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Its not necessarily spam just because you have got a lot of sites. You can add all sorts of things to add value and if the users are clicking on ads/affiliate links of their own accord then you have provided a service.

You're living in a dream world. Auto generated content comes from somewhere... it's not yours. It doesn't matter how many tools you add -- you're stealing content from other people.

Iguana




msg:1393674
 1:54 pm on Sep 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

you're stealing content from other people

Google, Yahoo and Gigablast all provide search results feeds for you to put on your site. Amazon have their product webservices and also one that gets you search results and much more. There are thousands of rss feeds on every conceivable subject. All of this can be (and is) used to create autogenerated content.

No theft involved.

Good luck, VKworld. If the Adsense route disappears I'm sure you'll find another way to make money.

Of course, Google may find a way to tweak their algo to eliminate these autogenerated pages. That's a danger. But since Google currently will bury hand-crafted totally original and respected sites, it's a small danger.

oddsod




msg:1393675
 1:56 pm on Sep 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

>> Good luck to anyone who has a legal strategy
That's where vkworld differs from the bank robber in jetteroheller's analogy. What he does is legal. It may not be something Google likes but don't confuse that with legality. Yes, sren, it is legal.

>> Do You really think, that he has even a 0,1% chance for 1 million in 20 years
I've seen the stats and the earnings of some autogenerated sites. Many of them do several thousands of dollars per day and at least one does a million dollars a year. Will vkworld reach those figures? I've no idea about his skills but if they are meagre I have no doubt that the guys earnings a million a year were once where vkworld is now.

>> Your 1000 autogenerated sites won't do you much good if your adsense account gets disabled
That's why they have multiple revenue sources. Even a $1 CPM can add up to pretty serious money if you have the viewing figures.

I don't like the autogenerated content (esp scraper) rubbish any more than any of you guys but let's get the facts right, they are not illegal. They would be illegal if Google ran the law and I, for one, thank goodness Google don't...... Don't sell links, don't buy links, don't exchange links, add rel=nofollow to your links, create a link if you have an ISBN number (or we'll create a link and steal your traffic), don't blow your nose on Wednesdays (no particular reason but we're an oddball company and do crazy things sometimes and will jail you if you break this law), don't link using js, don't link to external sites the way Brett does, eat no more than one doughnut a day.....

ncreegan




msg:1393676
 2:01 pm on Sep 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

No theft involved.

Search results display copyrighted content. SE's are much different from scrapers because they provide an actual service. Entire websites that are built with this content are using bits and pieces of pages from accross the internet to build a page with one intention -- capturing users. Just because you only steal a little bit from each person, does not make it right.

They are not illegal.

Copyrights? Trademarks? Show me a scraper site that doesn't violate these laws.

[edited by: ncreegan at 2:07 pm (utc) on Sep. 16, 2005]

novice




msg:1393677
 2:04 pm on Sep 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

...... Don't sell links, don't buy links, don't exchange links, add rel=nofollow to your links, create a link if you have an ISBN number (or we'll create a link and steal your traffic), don't blow your nose on Wednesdays (no particular reason but we're an oddball company and do crazy things sometimes and will jail you if you break this law), don't link using js, don't link to external sites the way Brett does, eat no more than one doughnut a day.....

Not to mention your sarcastic negative post :)

Posting negative things about Google also violates AdSense/Google TOS.

oddsod




msg:1393678
 2:08 pm on Sep 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Take this sentence

"Just because you only steal a little bit from each person, does not make it right."

And put it through a program

First iteration:

Stealing so small pieces a people from is not right

Second iteration:

Theft from small people or midgets is left little bit

Third iteration:

The little midget stole a small piece from the midget on his left

Any relation to the original text? Still theft? Any different to what your mind does?

Why are some of you talking about "scraping" per se at the expense of the wider "autogeneration" topic?

JuniorOptimizer




msg:1393679
 2:37 pm on Sep 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm trying to figure out why the UberScraper gave you a tour of his page factory and showed you his million dollar autogen site. Was he recruiting you for employment?

Certainly telling a man exactly how much you earn and then showing him how you do it could be problematic, eh?

bts111




msg:1393680
 2:50 pm on Sep 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Let me know when you are driving a Ferrari. It will be on the 12th of never.

vartotojas




msg:1393681
 3:25 pm on Sep 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

What do you know, maybe he is already driving one. ;)

Sweet Cognac




msg:1393682
 3:30 pm on Sep 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

VKworld, all of your posts are always so interesting.

I appreciate the insight as to how auto generated sites do, because I know there are LOTS out there.

asp4bunnies




msg:1393683
 3:35 pm on Sep 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

What's going to be hilarious is when his one good site is kicked out of SERPS for linking to a bad neighborhood (of his own making).

ximagi




msg:1393684
 3:36 pm on Sep 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

I did find a site like this with its contents are just autogenerated from my RSS..

Should I report to google?

RonS




msg:1393685
 3:58 pm on Sep 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Google and the erst of the scraper sites can rest their laurels on the "Fair Use" doctrine. The fairly use a snippet of copyrighted material to provide a service; a compendium / directory of links, and comparison of site vs. site, whatever.

Google itself is exactly what everyone here would call a "scraper" site. It reads your page, stores it in it's own database, displays snippets of it along with a link (sometimes direct to your site, sometimes through a redirection script), and along with 9 (or up to 99) of your competitors.

Personally, I don't like scraper sites, but they're not illegal.

On the other hand, I just shut down an entire site that had scraped an entire page from my site, including my copyright! lol

Now, what should I do about a site that stole only the meta tags from one of my sites? I mean the entire set of descriptions and keywords, in an obvious (to me) attempt to duplicate my SERPS. Here's the kicker... I have many links to that site, and I scrape (by permission) a directory page that they maintain for "the community". AND they're a non-profit site, no ads, full IRS 501(c)(3) charity.

Here's what I did. Nothing. I guess it's my contribution to the cause, but I don't even get a tax write off!

[edited by: RonS at 3:59 pm (utc) on Sep. 16, 2005]

Sierra_Dad




msg:1393686
 3:59 pm on Sep 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

VKWorld,

Just five days ago you were complaining that your autogenerated sites were not lasting long in Google SERPS. In fact you said you were down to three visits a day after briefly making $100/day.

And now you are telling everyone that autogenerated sites are the long term money makers of the future? And proposing a strategy of links from a small real site, a strategy that you have not had any time to try out since that last post.

Hmm . . .

anton23




msg:1393687
 4:02 pm on Sep 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

The way I do it is entirely legal, I contacted Google Adsense support and they tell me it's within Adsense TOS.

The way I do it is entirely legal, I contacted Google Adsense support and they tell me it's within Adsense TOS.

Yeah? Did you really told everything? Also about auto-generated and made for adsense?

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