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Adsense in pop up, but wait
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sunnydiv




msg:1445968
 9:19 am on Sep 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

its not a normal (regular) popup, its more like a small, box kind of thing (like 300*300 pix) thats comes into ur (orignal window)

so no new explorer is opening

(it is also know as google friendly popup)

please before you comment,
1) its not a regular popup
2) it wont block content
3) it wont block the ads
4) it is attention grabbing, but then again "not uncalled for"

please comment , i need your advice

 

birdstuff




msg:1445969
 11:01 am on Sep 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Sounds like a great way to call special attention to the ads...which is against the TOS.

vincevincevince




msg:1445970
 11:20 am on Sep 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Sounds like a modal/modeless dialog box.

I'm curious if you have had to change G's adsense code at all to make it work. The way I see it you'll be either escaping "quotes' or using an external file to load the ads.

In the former case you are certainly modifying the code = TOS not okay. In the latter case you are displaying adsense on a page (the external page) which has zero content...

xtreem




msg:1445971
 12:02 pm on Sep 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Im guessing it would be added to a DHTML layer, which would be animated in some way. IMHO this would be against the TOS and in now ay accepted. The only reason you'd want to do this is to draw undue attention to the ads.

dutch_dude




msg:1445972
 12:19 pm on Sep 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

I can't imagine google would approve this, but why don't you make a demo page and mail google the URL to ask their opinion?

sunnydiv




msg:1445973
 4:00 pm on Sep 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

vincevincevince no not true

dutch_dude yes thank you, thats exactly what i am going to do, if they approve it

maybe i will write another adsense ebook "LOL"

but seriously, if they allow, this should be one of the best things to happen to an adsense account.

birdstuff, i dont really understand the concept of that term actually, i mean isnt beldning it in text and making it standing out undue attention too (according to ur defination) or for that matter using images along side the ads.
i think what they mented by that term is, not asking people to read, or having a finger pointing at it and so.

Rodney




msg:1445974
 4:11 pm on Sep 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

birdstuff, i dont really understand the concept of that term actually, i mean isnt beldning it in text and making it standing out undue attention too (according to ur defination) or for that matter using images along side the ads.
i think what they mented by that term is, not asking people to read, or having a finger pointing at it and so.

I think AdsenseAdvisor explained that while blending ads with site content brings "natural" attention to the ads, things like pointing fingers and popups are there to prevent "unnatural" attention to the ads.

From the TOS and from what AdsenseAdvisor has explained, I would say it is against the TOS (or at least something that's not worth the risk IMO).

sunnydiv




msg:1445975
 4:17 pm on Sep 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

yes i agree, but this isnt a fingre pointin or a "pop up"

this is simply a small box, that will be there. thats all

i think in this forum i am allowed to put in such a url, but u can search google for

"hovering popup"
or
"float in popup"

to know what i am talking about

incrediBILL




msg:1445976
 4:28 pm on Sep 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

trolling

I reported someone with a scrolling AdSense ad to google once - it was gone the next day

sunnydiv




msg:1445977
 4:35 pm on Sep 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

o its not allowed? :(

AdSenseAdvisor




msg:1445978
 5:02 pm on Sep 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi all -

According to AdSense program policies ([google.com ]):

No Google ad or Google search box may be displayed on any domain parking websites, pop-ups, pop-unders, or in any email.

The reason for this policy is that Google believes strongly in providing a positive experience for the user. We have found that pop-ups, pop-unders, etc. take away from the user experience.

Hope that clarifies, and thanks for running this by the forum first.

-ASA

rover




msg:1445979
 5:26 pm on Sep 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

The reason for this policy is that Google believes strongly in providing a positive experience for the user.

It's interesting because I've been surprised to find that google not only allows, but actively encourages publishers to get the adsense ads "blended" right in there with the content(i.e. having an article with a huge ad embedded right at the beginning and in the middle, or having ad links look pretty much like site navigation links, etc.)

Stuff like that on websites detracts from my user experience, and I notice for many users who aren't webmasters or technically savvy, they often don't even realize that they are clicking on advertisements because they are camoflauged so well.

I understand that these techniques greatly improve the clickthrough rate, and subsequently revenues for the publisher and for google but I think in the more extreme cases (allowed by google) it does detract from the user experience.

I guess I've been surprised by this because google itself has kept a relatively high standard and has remained so clean (keeping a clear division between ads on the top and right side of search results), yet they not only allow, but actively encourage their adsense publishers to use techniques that they themselves probably would never do...

mlalex




msg:1445980
 5:28 pm on Sep 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

isnt that thing more irritating than a popup. i think it is there in almost all the clickbank merchant's sites to get the optin.

While reading, if something like that comes in flying to hide the content. :-(

Plus, it takes its own time to move away even after after closing. On the whole it is not worth.

For curiosity's sake, is it working for optin purposes?

sunnydiv




msg:1445981
 5:45 pm on Sep 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

WEll, i forgot to mention

its not a popup for say.

it i have made some caculations and "irresprctive" of the resolution used. the ads will NEVER block or hide the content in anyway.

Rodney




msg:1445982
 7:29 pm on Sep 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

WEll, i forgot to mention

its not a popup for say.

Well the title of your thread says it all :) "Adsense in a pop up"

Even though you may not define it as the normal definiation of a "popup", if the Google Adsense team does define it as a popup (and from their response above, it seems that they do), then it would still be against the TOS.

mhhfive




msg:1445983
 8:38 pm on Sep 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

heh. What if I created pop-ups that covered the entire screen EXCEPT where my Google Ads were? Then the ads would not be in a pop-up, but I think they would still be in violation of G's TOS....

Basically, I think Google wants publishers to blend the ads.. but not highlight them in any way that would artificially inflate CTR.

dutch_dude




msg:1445984
 10:34 pm on Sep 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Basically, I think Google wants publishers to blend the ads.. but not highlight them in any way that would artificially inflate CTR.

True, but with this in mind it surprised me very much to find out Adsense has no problems with spam sites that offer the user really only ads to click on as "content". Which would qualify as artificially inflating CTR as well..

Since I know that I've created a few somewhat spammier sites lol.

Rodney




msg:1445985
 11:29 pm on Sep 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

it surprised me very much to find out Adsense has no problems with spam sites that offer the user really only ads to click on as "content".

I don't think it is the case that adsense as "no problems" with sites like that.

There are many reasons why you may see a site like that with adsense running on it (including that they haven't gotten around to booting the site out of the program, or your idea of "no content" is not the same as Google's idea of "no content", or you could be looking at site in their their domainpark program which is different all together).

dutch_dude




msg:1445986
 12:55 am on Sep 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Rodney:

What you say is exactly how I saw it first. But Google really cooperates with some pretty spammy sites, helping to get them relevant ads etc.

or your idea of "no content" is not the same as Google's idea of "no content"

For Adsense as little as a few links and a pic would qualify as content.

If you are interested I'll sticky you a site that's almost completely adsense ads, very spammy. But Google gave that site a premium account, keyword targetting etc.

Rodney




msg:1445987
 5:54 am on Sep 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

If you are interested I'll sticky you a site that's almost completely adsense ads, very spammy. But Google gave that site a premium account, keyword targetting etc.

Without you (or me) knowing the full business reasons behind their decisions or what type of account this website has, it doesn't make any sense to say that Adsense has no problem with spam sites.

Just because you don't know the reasoning why they allow the site, or whether it is a premium site or a domainpark partner, doesn't mean they allow spam.

I don't need to see the URL. I'm just saying that everything is not always as it seems, so your statement seemed more like your were stating a fact of their Terms of Service rather than an opinion about something you observed.

sunnydiv




msg:1445988
 10:05 am on Sep 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hello Divyansh,

Thank you very much for taking the time to confirm your compliance with
our program policies.

Please be advised that any modifications of the format or appearance of
Google ads, including the proposed implementation sampled on
www.ihaterichjerk.info/test.htm, are considered to violate our policies.

While we understand the importance of maintaining the quality of your site
and your site's user experience, we kindly ask that you refrain from this
or any other modifications of ads displayed on your websites.

For additional questions, please visit our AdSense Support site at
https://www.google.com/support/adsense or feel free to reply to this
email.

We'd also like to encourage you to let us know how we can improve our
customer support. Please take a few minutes to fill out our brief survey
at [insightexpress.com...]

Your input is greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,

***
The Google AdSense Team

:(

xtreem




msg:1445989
 11:19 am on Sep 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

gee. what a surprise.

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