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Most fraud or click-fraud occurs from Which country?
I want to ban those countries
GuluGulu

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Msg#: 9138 posted 10:10 am on Sep 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

I will need to ban those in my AdWords campaigns.

 

miguelito

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Msg#: 9138 posted 10:51 am on Sep 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

isnīt this a totally irrelevant question? this is internet, the country of residence of a webmaster is not necessarily the same as the country where the server is hosted.
answering this question could open the floodgates to racism and bigotry.

cellularnews

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Msg#: 9138 posted 10:55 am on Sep 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Think about it - who is the most likely 3rd party benefit from click fraud...

Other websites competing with yours.

Where are most web sites made - the USA.

So, you need to ban all USA traffic.

The fact that the USA also has the largest internet population, and that the click fraud as a percentage is no higher than anywhere else is presumably irrelevent to your issue.

DamonHD

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Msg#: 9138 posted 12:22 pm on Sep 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi,

I think that this *is* a legitimate question, and giving honest answers (as opposed to bigotted ones) is not racist, even if they may not be pleasant.

1) On the AdSense (Web site) side, I block accesses from open IP proxies and other compromised machines dynamically, NOT by IP address or region. A large fraction of such compromised machines are in the West and many are in China, so a static list is unlikely to be effective. In particular I think that, for example, blocking all .cn users is very short-sighted, just like a US service provider blocked all .uk emails recently!

2) On the AdWords side, I only show my ads where I think that a significant fraction of the population can read the lanaguage of my ads (English), and where I think that social restraints against fraud are good (and commercial incentives FOR fraud are less likely). Now that really *is* a judgement call and is based on your target market, etc.

Rgds

Damon

dial_d

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Msg#: 9138 posted 12:53 pm on Sep 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

I agree that this a valid topic but I think you should work from the other direction. Identify the countries which are most likely see a good ROI.

If you are selling physical products, consider the shipping cost. I sell a couple of different products lines and all but the smallest items simply cost too much to ship them overseas to realistically expect anyone outside the US and Canada to buy them. There is no need to advertise the world over.

Of course if you are selling downloadable software or items small enough to ship overseas at a reasonable price, the numbers of countries you want to adverise in will grow quite a bit.

But in most cases, the list number of countries you want to advertise in is much shorter than the list of countries you don't want to advertise in.

As far as click attacks, they are most often done through open proxies so it really doesn't matter where the attacker is from. Never-the-less, I certainly wouldn't my site's ad shown to thousands of users from Nigeria. That's almost asking for them to scam you.

NoLimits

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Msg#: 9138 posted 2:50 pm on Sep 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

All BS aside -

I see LOTS of suspicious activities on my servers from .ru adresses.

This includes manual spamming, spam-bots, DDOS attacks, etc.... the vast majority of these attacks on my US based server are coming from .ru

I'm not sure if any of that data lines up with the AdSense fraudsters or not, but based on my own experiences - when in search of suspicious activity, thats the very first thing I'm looking for.

beren

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Msg#: 9138 posted 3:31 pm on Sep 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

I will need to ban those in my AdWords campaigns.

You need to consider where your customers are. Where are people who you want to visit your site? Enable your AdWords campaign to show in those areas.

GuluGulu

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Msg#: 9138 posted 3:34 pm on Sep 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Enable your AdWords campaign to show in those areas.

That's correct, but as I also run AdSens on my site along with other products, I do not want people from fraudster country to visit my site and continue clicking on G ads. That is why I do not want to show my AdWords advertisement to those countries.

Rolozo

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Msg#: 9138 posted 4:30 pm on Sep 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

I know some indians were indulged in fraudlent activites.But this is not true for all respectable indian publishers.

deepesh

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Msg#: 9138 posted 5:15 am on Sep 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

Humans are humans, greed is everywhere , so when you say which country its wrong. but as a adwords publisher you must target your ads to US, UK and canada.

perfectlover

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Msg#: 9138 posted 6:08 am on Sep 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

I know Google sued one American publisher for click fruad who was indulged in fraudlent activites.But this is not true for all respectable US publishers.

Do you remeber 300,000$ story he is an American.

europeforvisitors



 
Msg#: 9138 posted 3:12 pm on Sep 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

I do not want people from fraudster country to visit my site and continue clicking on G ads. That is why I do not want to show my AdWords advertisement to those countries.

Google and its advertisers don't want fraudulent clicks any more than you do. Since Google has much better fraud-detection resources than any publisher does, wouldn't it make sense to let Google decide where ads should or shouldn't be served?

gamb

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Msg#: 9138 posted 4:11 pm on Sep 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

EFV - I'm not sure how much I'm sure of that. Google is very lax when it comes to fraud - including easily detectable fraud.

I can't comprehend why the let through the clicks they do. Setup an adwords campaign for a gibberish keyword and test it yourself - have a friend click 8 times in a day and I bet you'll get charged 8 times....

blairsp

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Msg#: 9138 posted 7:33 pm on Sep 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

But G reassures us that the adwords advertisers always get their money back. You aren't questioning the word of the all seeing, all knowing, perfect creation are you.

appi2

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Msg#: 9138 posted 6:46 am on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Any country with the colour green in the flag. Apart from the neighbours ;)

GuluGulu

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Msg#: 9138 posted 7:33 am on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Any country with the colour green in the flag. Apart from the neighbours ;)

Hmmm...Interesting theory man.

makes a little sense

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Msg#: 9138 posted 11:11 am on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

That's correct, but as I also run AdSens on my site along with other products, I do not want people from fraudster country to visit my site and continue clicking on G ads. That is why I do not want to show my AdWords advertisement to those countries.

Actually, I would imagine the US is the biggest country of fraud, when you think about it. It's not Nigeria. It's not Russia. It's the Good Ole USA.

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