genesislogic

msg:1322705 | 4:12 am on Aug 26, 2005 (gmt 0) |
AWESOME POST one for me to flag
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bts111

msg:1322706 | 5:25 am on Aug 26, 2005 (gmt 0) |
Nice post!
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Sobriquet

msg:1322707 | 5:48 am on Aug 26, 2005 (gmt 0) |
I use a much simpler method to filter traffic. Its like putting in header area: "Looking for information on widgets?" Link to main area; and a "Looking for other stuff" to a page with links (with details) to my other sites. Each of my sites has this and i get revolving traffic :) No big theories, just cool thinking...
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ken_b

msg:1322708 | 2:43 pm on Aug 26, 2005 (gmt 0) |
>>..much simpler...<< That's the beauty of the internet, everyone gets to do what they think works best for them. I don't think it can get much simpler than what I outlined above. It's just a way to maximize the benefit some of what it takes to have a successful website anyhow.
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philaweb

msg:1322709 | 4:47 pm on Aug 26, 2005 (gmt 0) |
I must agree to the initial post. After I began channeling ads and divided content pages up into themes my average CTR has more than doubled.
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medowl

msg:1322710 | 5:05 pm on Aug 26, 2005 (gmt 0) |
So intelipricing charges the publisher for a low CTR% or low conversion to sale? [edited by: medowl at 5:07 pm (utc) on Aug. 26, 2005]
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Craven de Kere

msg:1322711 | 5:06 pm on Aug 26, 2005 (gmt 0) |
Publishers should note that using an ad server to filter traffic can have significant impact as well. Geotargeting the ads (even if only to exclude regions that certain networks don't pay for) can really make a difference.
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nanotopia

msg:1322712 | 5:49 pm on Aug 26, 2005 (gmt 0) |
Unless I'm missing something, this isn't rocket science. Use categories and subcategories (not too deep though - only 2-3 tiers max). That model fits well with any truly usable website model. Also, the main categories (at the very least) should be visible on all pages. If a webmaster is simply spewing content all over their site with no rhyme or reason, and hoping people will somehow randomly land on it through SERPs, they have a lot of work in front of them. Follow the Google code, and make the site thin and usable by humans -- everything else will follow in time, including better targeting and ad revenue.
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stef25

msg:1322713 | 7:41 pm on Aug 26, 2005 (gmt 0) |
thanks for this post ken_b!
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ogletree

msg:1322714 | 7:43 pm on Aug 26, 2005 (gmt 0) |
I can see how this helps for Aff but not adsense. AS payout is not based on conversion. G has no idea if the click converted. Higher CTR means nothing. Higher checks is what matters. I have a hard time believing that getting a better CTR with less traffic brings you more money. Unless you send a good portion of the traffic to that advertiser nothing you can do will change their mind about turning off adsense ads in their adwords acct. Or if adwords adds the ability for advertisers to choose what what sites they want to have ads on.
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LeoXIV

msg:1322715 | 9:03 pm on Aug 26, 2005 (gmt 0) |
| Geotargeting the ads (even if only to exclude regions that certain networks don't pay for) can really make a difference. |
| | Higher checks is what matters |
| so has anybody actually seen higher "Earnings" by blocking certain countries?
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garyr_h

msg:1322716 | 9:15 pm on Aug 26, 2005 (gmt 0) |
| AS payout is not based on conversion. |
| Actually it is, with Smart Pricing. Google places a cookie on the users browser and once they reach a certain page which is selected by the advertiser it counts it as a conversion thus the advertiser pays more for conversions.
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activeco

msg:1322717 | 9:25 pm on Aug 26, 2005 (gmt 0) |
True. When a user with the AdWords cookie on finishes on the results page (buying confirmation, thanks message...), a conversion is tracked.
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Atomic

msg:1322718 | 10:18 pm on Aug 26, 2005 (gmt 0) |
When you go to place the conversion tracking code on your site Google mentions that it's not perfect and that some conversions are missed. And I thought smart pricing was something we could only guess at.
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philaweb

msg:1322719 | 10:25 pm on Aug 26, 2005 (gmt 0) |
>so has anybody actually seen higher "Earnings" by blocking certain countries?< I have noticed that Google is blocking certain countries, i.e. countries not targeted by AdSense. During my vacation I wanted to check my website via GPRS from a foreign country - and the ads did not turn up. I have also noticed that AdSense hits are a bit lower the last month or so but the amounts per hit are up a tad. I'm not quite sure yet which ads are bringing in more than others.
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activeco

msg:1322720 | 10:35 pm on Aug 26, 2005 (gmt 0) |
| During my vacation I wanted to check my website via GPRS from a foreign country - and the ads did not turn up. |
| Do browsers using GPRS support javascript and iframes?
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philaweb

msg:1322721 | 10:41 pm on Aug 26, 2005 (gmt 0) |
>Do browsers using GPRS support javascript and iframes?< Yes. Browsers are browsers nomatter what technology you use for sending the data packages. On travels I connect my notebook to the internet via GPRS (General Packet Radio Service). This can be done using a cell phone or PDA.
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activeco

msg:1322722 | 10:46 pm on Aug 26, 2005 (gmt 0) |
| Yes. Browsers are browsers nomatter what technology you use for sending the data packages. |
| Well said. Didn't think in that line, must be wine.
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martinibuster

msg:1322723 | 12:24 am on Aug 27, 2005 (gmt 0) |
It starts with WHY people are on your site, and if your site delivers everything they are there for. It makes no sense to chase a high traffic niche if all people are going to do is chat, research how to take care of their dog, or download some recipes then bounce away. If your site delivers everything they want, then they're not going to click an ad. So it helps to target people who are at least on one segment of the buying cycle (as most of the ads are from merchants selling something). It's pretty obvious, I guess.
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ken_b

msg:1322724 | 1:46 am on Aug 27, 2005 (gmt 0) |
The obvious often isn't :)
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Red_Eagle

msg:1322725 | 2:08 am on Aug 27, 2005 (gmt 0) |
It works the other way to -- you can filter out low quality traffic. The more traffic your site has the more critical traffic filtering becomes. Its the same deal in the adult industry. If you are trying to promote Niche X on a site with 90% Niche Y traffic then you are going to be blowing away money. In this industry the people who understand the value of traffic are the ones that get ahead. This is why reseller traffic is borderline worthless (but the webmaster traffic visiting the reseller sites is worth big $.)
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ogletree

msg:1322726 | 7:42 am on Aug 27, 2005 (gmt 0) |
Yes that is assumeing that people use that. I seriously doubt most people in adwords use that conversion thing. They just buy ads and send them to front page. Then the high end and/or smart people use their own conversion tracking. I'm curious the % of advertisers that even use that. I would like an anawer. Who has lowered their traffic and made no other changes and made more money. No matter what kind of study you have done there is almost no way to prove your point becasue nobody knows how Google does things exactly. There are just too many varriables to really know for sure. Just because everytime you go to a picnic ants show up does not mean picnics bring ants.
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whoisgregg

msg:1322727 | 4:20 pm on Aug 27, 2005 (gmt 0) |
| I would like an anawer. Who has lowered their traffic and made no other changes and made more money |
| I have. And I made that change after a chat about conversion tracking and smart pricing with a certain company's engineer at the New Orleans WW conference. :)
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LeoXIV

msg:1322728 | 4:33 pm on Aug 27, 2005 (gmt 0) |
| I would like an anawer. Who has lowered their traffic and made no other changes and made more money |
| I have |
| interesting... would you say that the increase was statistically significant? and sustaiable.
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whoisgregg

msg:1322729 | 6:49 pm on Aug 27, 2005 (gmt 0) |
> statistically significant? Yes. Don't have the numbers in front of me and wouldn't share them if I did, but the change in my traffic was dramatic without dramatically affecting my earnings. (And I've been using this new approach since a few days after the New Orleans WW. It seems more stable than before.) > sustaiable Sustainable as in "If I get down to 1 visitor will I be making an infinite amount of money?" No, probably not. :) The real lesson was a sufficient number of poor quality clicks means a statistically lower chance of conversion and a discount of all clicks. So, I stopped chasing raw quantity of visitors and am far more picky. Plus, I handle ad placement more conservatively by only putting them where a click would be likely to convert. As in all things, YMMV. :)
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DonMateo

msg:1322730 | 7:43 pm on Aug 27, 2005 (gmt 0) |
Although I agree with the original poster in that filtering your traffic should lead to better adsense results on the filtered pages, I also think that highly filtered pages could (should) be earning more through direct sales or affiliate links than through adsense. If you're able to target a page to someone that has a high probability of buying, then why not cut out the middle man and sell your widget direct?
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hunderdown

msg:1322731 | 8:21 pm on Aug 27, 2005 (gmt 0) |
If you're able to target a page to someone that has a high probability of buying, then why not cut out the middle man and sell your widget direct? |
| I can think of a number of reasons why not, one of them being that it might not be worth the extra work. I've also found that I can do well having BOTH affiliate links and AdSense ads on some of my pages.
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Atomic

msg:1322732 | 12:32 am on Aug 28, 2005 (gmt 0) |
| I've also found that I can do well having BOTH affiliate links and AdSense ads on some of my pages. |
| Couldn't agree with that more.
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ronburk

msg:1322733 | 1:36 am on Aug 28, 2005 (gmt 0) |
| If you're able to target a page to someone that has a high probability of buying, then why not cut out the middle man and sell your widget direct? |
| - You don't have enough traffic yet to interest the person who owns the widget.
- You spend your time targeting 137 different types of widgets, and you've found it more profitable to just use AdSense than to try to cut/maintain deals with 137 different widget vendors.
- You're actually competing with the guy who makes the widgets, and he hasn't yet figured out that you're making money and gathering market data by selling his widgets via the AdSense middle man.
- You used to sell the widgets direct, but the widget maker stiffed you one too many times on payments, so you would now rather take less money from AdSense than deal with the widget maker.
- Transactions with the widget maker are taxed differently than AdSense, due to the vagaries of type of business and city/county/state tax laws, ending up in making the lower payments of AdSense more profitable.
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