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AdSense suspended me for association with a suspended account
johnplayer




msg:1407402
 6:31 am on Aug 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

I am not a person who don't have sense of business, I operate many high traffic websites. I was doing Pay per sale business, and the results were very good 50$ EPC (Earnings per 100 Clicks) with CJ.
I heard about Google adsense a lot, So in June 05, I gave it a try. The results were very good, over 0.70 EPC (Earnings per click). On June 08 Google said that My Payments are on Hold, I checked whats the problem, Google sent me the PIN to verify my address (never seen this before with any other company), ok, Days passed and no sign of PIN, I re-requested the PIN code, and I got my code on 29 June. Ok, now its the time for payment, results were so great, even the Smart pricing didn't effect my earnings, this means that I was performing well, As my sites were capable of generaing sales at greater rate, due to this reason, My EPC increased day by day.
I read on this forum that they send the payments on or after 20th of month.
On 16th July something very bad happened, which I never expected.
G send me the mail, that My AdSense account was found to be related to an account previously
disabled for invalid click activity and they have therefore disabled your account.

They also said that The earnings on My account will be properly returned to the affected advertisers.

I am sure that the Affected Advertisers got many sales from my side.

This was the first time I did business with G, and the results are too worse. Don't have any idea how did they realate me to any others account. Or simply they cheated me, because, since my account is disabled I have send many polite emails about the cause. But No REPLY.
So, I lost my 2,689$

 

wanderingmind




msg:1407462
 7:20 pm on Aug 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

..and its been a few days, and Johnplayer is not back...

walkman




msg:1407463
 7:22 pm on Aug 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

>> and its been a few days, and Johnplayer is not back...

he's probably back on Google--under a different name ;)

James




msg:1407464
 7:53 pm on Aug 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

I heard from somebody at Yahoo yesterday that he had just signed up for the BETA test! I am sure he will give them plenty scope to test LOL

janethuggard




msg:1407465
 4:48 am on Aug 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well...

Normally, and I say again normally, when you see email addys like info@, admin@, office@, sales@ the owner of that email addy is the owner of the site, in a family run business.

He has such email posted in his profile.

I went to the site for his email, and there are Adsense ads on it. I would bet that they reversed the decision.

ann




msg:1407466
 5:00 am on Aug 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

With threats like he made I highly doubt he got back in, maybe aunt jo this time.

jomaxx




msg:1407467
 5:06 am on Aug 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

You're right, the site is showing Google ads again.

Want a laugh? The publisher ID now is different from that one that shows up in Google's cache. Anyone can go check.

ann




msg:1407468
 5:38 am on Aug 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Guess Google is gonna have to sue him....Google does reserve that right. LOL

lammert




msg:1407469
 7:07 am on Aug 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

The site is now running the same publishers code as the related site 2oddSox pointed at some posts ago. That code is used already some time on the site, because it is also present at pages in Google's cache. As you can read in msg#48 in this thread, I checked a few days ago this site and at that moment the ad blocks were showing white blocks. now ads are running again so Google reversed its decision for this publisher ID.

My guess: johnplayer in the past used different AdSense publishers codes on different sites. Google discovered it and closed the accounts. Then JP emailed Google and pleaded guilty and now one of the accounts has been reopened after he promised to use only one publishers code on all his sites.

So, IMHO no invalid clicks, but multiple accounts caused the problem. I think that johnplayer in his first post actually told the truth. An account was suspended because it was associated with another suspended account. He only forgot to tell us that he owned both accounts.

flaxmac




msg:1407470
 7:16 am on Aug 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

I am glad I read this thread to the end, I have just started in this field and wasn't sure if I need to open different accounts for my different sites to host the google adsense, now I know, the answer is NO, Right?

Anyway, you guys are earning heaps, I feel so insignificant, I thought I was doing pretty good, when my adwords account was costing me the same as what I made with my asense account, almost like free advertising because they both equaled each other out. But the amount is only like $2 to $5 a day, I probably average about 120 visitors a day. Then when I got choosen to fill out a google survey where they give you $50 credit for your adwords account I thought I was hitting the big time.

I probably have about 60 pages in my site. What do I need to do to make the kind of money you guys are talking about? Which grandmother would you like me to sell? I'm serious, she's hardly been used.

James




msg:1407471
 8:32 am on Aug 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

OK, let's say this Guys only sin is to have more than 1 account.

We know the TOS does not allow this, but I would suggest that rule was written at or near the start of adsense, when there was little or no trading history by webmasters. There is very good and legal reasons why a webmaster making large amounts of money would choose to have more than 1 account. Tax avoidance being one of them. The banking structure of the webmaster be be such that he or she wishes to make regular payments to service a loan for instance, and wishes to feed certain income into a particular bank account in order to achieve this.

Of course, there is a negative side to allowing too many accounts....The possibility of Money Laundering, and the funding of Terrorist activities, where small amounts arrive, and are then consolidated into a large amount at the destination.

The Federal reserve bank have a lot of say in how a company such as google carry on money transfers, and do impose very strict rules, so the chances are Google is restricted in what it can and cannot do at the moment regarding the movement of money.

Fryman




msg:1407472
 2:45 pm on Aug 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

so, tax avoidance is a good and legal reason to have 2 acounts?

Angelis




msg:1407473
 2:46 pm on Aug 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have 2 websites that are totally unrelated and it would be nice to separate them but G wont let me have 2 accounts.

Nothing to do with tax just management...

jomaxx




msg:1407474
 2:52 pm on Aug 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

James, lammert, this is from post 1:

My AdSense account was found to be related to an account previously disabled for invalid click activity

Maybe Google reversed their decision, who knows? Probably johnplayer will never come back and tell us. But it's clear there was more to it than simply having 2 publisher IDs.

James




msg:1407475
 2:56 pm on Aug 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yes, under certain circumstances. If somebody is making significant money with adsense, Tax accountants can structure a way to avoid tax to the maximum allowed by law, by having multiple revenue or income sources. A complicated subject which I do not intend to expand on here, but in summary there are commercial advantages in having multiple accounts.

xxxxxpp




msg:1407476
 3:19 pm on Aug 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

sorry to be offtopic, but I just wanted to say that this thread is very interesting if you want to learn what NOT to do :)

europeforvisitors




msg:1407477
 7:28 pm on Aug 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

OK, let's say this Guys only sin is to have more than 1 account. We know the TOS does not allow this, but I would suggest that rule was written at or near the start of adsense

Google may want to avoid having scammers use "disposable accounts" in the same way that spammers use "disposable domains."

Ankhenaton




msg:1407478
 1:33 am on Aug 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

God, I really need to diversify as soon as Yahoo/MSN comes out, I think I am too nervous to have that damokles sword of Google closing the account having over me, with a hard come back and bad Google response policy.

I wished Google would implement real contracts, this goodbye policy with no real reason given worries me. I am getting so paranoid about not breaking TOS that I am probably breaking one.. :\ ..

Why could one not have a field where one could enter ones own IP [if it's static] so that clicks from that IP don't get counted. Today I slipped on mt laptop.. boom ..

Am I now gonna write for that accidental click or is the response time spent for that google employee as much worth for that one lousy click, where s/he has to answer. {I am sincerely hoping Google accounts for the motorically inept} or should I write to say, hey I am an honest person..

Anyway on the positive side, adsense is looking good. We had the site long before the bust 96 and I think it's the most we made out of it directly [we leased it out for 4 years], although we have about a 10th of the traffic we used to have. I estimate 90 - 120 dollars.. first month and I joined adsense stats checker anonymous apparently. ;)

Will I actually make a meaningful income out of this after 9 years .. suspense .. suspense..

Compworld




msg:1407479
 2:15 am on Aug 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

My AdSense account was found to be related to an account previously disabled for invalid click activity

Yes, Google gave me this reason too. No other information provided. I am waiting to see if they send my money owed for June. If not, I for one will be sending this to my lawyer. Google gives no information and does not respond to e-mails. It is illegal to hold my money (and other publishers) without giving complete details stating what the cause of the temination. I am sure if Google had to defend themselves in court, through mediation, or arbitration, I am sure they would not jump the gun that fast. I am not letting them get away with my 10k. I earned that money fair and square. I had the code on one site, and one site only. I really think legal should have meetings with their publisher support before closing an account with a sizable amount of money in the account. Do they really think publishers owed four or five figures is just going to say, Oh darn, lost my money.. Oh well. I wish I was in New York. I could at least file a complaint with NY Attorney General Spitzer. I guess time will tell.

Fryman




msg:1407480
 5:44 am on Aug 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

LMAO! These macho posts with their "oh, I'm bad and I'm going to sue" just make me laugh...

walkman




msg:1407481
 5:51 am on Aug 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

>> I am not letting them get away with my 10k

yes you will. A lawyer to take on Google will cost you at least hundreds of thousands.

Compworld




msg:1407482
 11:00 am on Aug 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Fryman, your a funny person. I can see you probably never have this problem... However, the ones that actaully did make money with Google do have this problem. I guess we will see. Plus, I will be filing a complaint with the DOJ. They think they are G-ds. They are not.

JuniorOptimizer




msg:1407483
 11:03 am on Aug 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

" LMAO! These macho posts with their "oh, I'm bad and I'm going to sue" just make me laugh... "

Good thing Erin Brockovitch didn't think like you. Google can and will be defeated.

Their practices are sickening. The heavy handed way their building a sales channel is reminiscent of how the emperors of Rome treated their subjects. With more choices, webmasters will be fleeing AdSense in droves.

trillianjedi




msg:1407484
 11:13 am on Aug 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

A lawyer to take on Google will cost you at least hundreds of thousands.

No it wouldn't. You would start with having a lawyer look at the facts in hand and a copy of your contract with Google. From there you can take a commercial view as to whether or not it's worth taking further.

Maybe $500 at most. And if I was owed $10k without a satisfactory reason and explanation, I would also take that action.

Just because someone is big doesn't automatically mean that they're right, or beyond the law.

For the record I have never had a problem with Google and remain a very happy AdSense publisher that has never not been paid.

TJ

James




msg:1407485
 1:08 pm on Aug 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

"A lawyer to take on Google will cost you at least hundreds of thousands. "

Google has to be more considerate in its dealings with the webmasters who are working with them via adsense.

The only real problem with the contract with google is that it could be considered as a matter of contract law as,"Unfair".

In reality it would take a class action to get anywhere significant in a court.

Google would plead that there are so many crooks trying to extract money via adsense they have to be very careful in all there dealings.

The contract is so, "all encompassing", they are, as far as I am aware never in breach to any webmaster. By agreeing to the TOS a webmaster is in effect allowing them to do anything they want, on a take it or leave it basis.

Maxima




msg:1407486
 3:12 pm on Aug 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

All the more reason that competition is very neccessary...

Maxima




msg:1407487
 3:48 pm on Aug 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

I agree with you trillianjedi.

What I was wondering was, has anyone actually ever put a lawsuit against google regarding these issues?

Visi




msg:1407488
 4:21 pm on Aug 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Would think these are the type of actions that never get filed, but resolved via some negotiation. Unlike the advertisers suits which have some good PR associated with them if google wins (faith in program etc) not paying the small publisher has no upside to it. The TOS is not all that emcompasing in that proof of action may still be required. Yes they can refuse to pay....but in a court of law...resonable reasons would be required.

europeforvisitors




msg:1407489
 4:57 pm on Aug 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

In reality it would take a class action to get anywhere significant in a court.

If you were an attorney, would you want to represent a class of plaintiffs who have had payments withheld because of fraud or (at the very least) breach of contract?

If you were a publisher who'd been terminated for fraud, would you want your name to be made public? Or to risk a criminal prosecution?

For what it's worth, I'm a named plaintiff in a major class-action suit involving breach of contract and other issues, and I can assure you that filing such a lawsuit isn't a cakewalk. The defendants can demand reams of documentation from you (including your personal tax records), and you can be required to travel--at your own expense--to give a deposition. I wonder how many of the anonymous posters in this thread would care to subject themselves to that kind of scrutiny or expense?

aeiouy




msg:1407490
 8:13 pm on Aug 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Fryman, your a funny person. I can see you probably never have this problem... However, the ones that actaully did make money with Google do have this problem. I guess we will see. Plus, I will be filing a complaint with the DOJ. They think they are G-ds. They are not.

Just make sure what Google withheld from you was not a large enough amount for them to work with the DOJ and pursue you for felony fraud charges.

incrediBILL




msg:1407491
 9:11 pm on Aug 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Ah, I love to hear a good whine in the afternoon, goes well with cheese.

People supposedly read the terms and conditions of contracts before signing them and then bounce off the walls when the other party exercises their rights under the agreement.

Under section 6, Termination; Cancellation you'll see it's very clear:
Google may at any time, in its sole discretion, terminate all or part of the Program, terminate this Agreement, or suspend or terminate the participation of any Site in all or part of the Program for any reason.

If you can't abide by those terms, DON'T SIGN IT.

Compworld




msg:1407492
 9:39 pm on Aug 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well, I guess we will see. And yes, I would give a deposition .

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