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AdSense suspended me for association with a suspended account
johnplayer




msg:1407402
 6:31 am on Aug 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

I am not a person who don't have sense of business, I operate many high traffic websites. I was doing Pay per sale business, and the results were very good 50$ EPC (Earnings per 100 Clicks) with CJ.
I heard about Google adsense a lot, So in June 05, I gave it a try. The results were very good, over 0.70 EPC (Earnings per click). On June 08 Google said that My Payments are on Hold, I checked whats the problem, Google sent me the PIN to verify my address (never seen this before with any other company), ok, Days passed and no sign of PIN, I re-requested the PIN code, and I got my code on 29 June. Ok, now its the time for payment, results were so great, even the Smart pricing didn't effect my earnings, this means that I was performing well, As my sites were capable of generaing sales at greater rate, due to this reason, My EPC increased day by day.
I read on this forum that they send the payments on or after 20th of month.
On 16th July something very bad happened, which I never expected.
G send me the mail, that My AdSense account was found to be related to an account previously
disabled for invalid click activity and they have therefore disabled your account.

They also said that The earnings on My account will be properly returned to the affected advertisers.

I am sure that the Affected Advertisers got many sales from my side.

This was the first time I did business with G, and the results are too worse. Don't have any idea how did they realate me to any others account. Or simply they cheated me, because, since my account is disabled I have send many polite emails about the cause. But No REPLY.
So, I lost my 2,689$

 

ken_b




msg:1407432
 5:17 pm on Aug 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

It seems to me that Google has in the past used the "associated with" situation to cancel accounts of publishers that they believe, or suspect, can be shown to be related to other canceled account holders.

I'm guessing that might include accounts that have some, almost any, kind of association.

The problem is, as always with Google and Adsense, we don't really know what all the criteria for such actions are.

Could that include things like, family members, other relatives, similar names (bob smith, john smith) in the same town with similar postal addresses, ip addresses, etc, etc, etc. The list of possibilities could go on and on.

Whatever the current situation actually is, this can be a real problem for some honest publishers, and shouldn't be dismissed easily.

jomaxx




msg:1407433
 5:54 pm on Aug 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

Google is way smarter than you and have been dealing with this kind of fraud for a long time. Nonetheless, the world is a quirky place and nobody can be infallible. So I recommend...

1. If you are really innocent and have NO IDEA why Google might think you have some connection to a banned account, start racking your brain why they would think that. Think about yourself and those close to you, employees and users who have a close connection to your site, the history of your domain, etc. etc. Even if you draw a blank, send another email protesting your innocence.

2. If you have SOME clue you haven't shared with us why Google might be connecting you with a banned account, come clean with Google. Make whatever apologies or explanations you have to, and maybe you can get reinstated.

3. If you know perfectly well why Google banned you and you're simply venting, just take your ball and go home. Nothing you say here will hurt Google because you're a first-time poster with no history here, thus nobody can really know whether you are being straight or not.

jomaxx




msg:1407434
 6:08 pm on Aug 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

One other thing... The site in your profile, which was recently running AdSense but now is not, doesn't look like the kind of pay-per-sale-oriented, high-EPC, high-conversion site you described in your first post. You must have other websites, because I don't see this site earning $2500.

walkman




msg:1407435
 6:29 pm on Aug 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

>> "Google Cheated me, and I hate cheaters. Google is going to Pay for it somehow, and I will plan how, even if it affects the Advertisers"

why punish some small business owner by clicking on his ads for no reason? If you really plan on doing that, I'm happy you got screwed.

Start a "Google sucks" site, or even sue them in Pakistani courts (IF you're totally innocent) but don't punish people who had nothing to do with this.

lammert




msg:1407436
 9:22 pm on Aug 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

Johnplayer, I assume that the domain in your profile is your site. I see that there are sitewide links to other sites from the website associated with the domain.

I don't know if these linked-to sites belong to you or other people, but if they belong to other people it might be that one of these others was also suspended from AdSense. Because of the sidewide links Google might assume that there is more than casual relationship between your site and those other sites.

bose




msg:1407437
 11:10 pm on Aug 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

Sorry to hear you were banned.

If Google clearly states that they have found you to be associated with a banned account, probably they would not say so unless they have a smoking gun -unless of course there is a major misunderstanding on their part.

Were you affiliated in any way with someone that was banned from Adsense?

By "affiliated" I mean things like substantial cross linking with that individual's site(s), being part of a link-network that includes sites that were previously banned, or having other indicators (such as similarity in names, street addresses, etc) suggestive of close affiliation? Did you share computer(s) with someone that was banned?

Not accusing you of any of the above, just thinking aloud...

<edited typo>

Mr_Fern




msg:1407438
 11:28 pm on Aug 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think if they're going to say that they found your account related to a another account that was suspended for fraudulent clicks they should at least specify the sites connected with that account so you know who they are accusing you of being connected with. It's like the police arresting you for being associated with someone who committed a crime, and not telling you who the person is, but the crime they did.

2oddSox




msg:1407439
 11:30 pm on Aug 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

Johnplayer, forgive me if I'm drawing a long bow here, but if that is the website in your profile that you're referring to, then at the bottom of that site is a reference to another member here at WebmasterWorld who also runs AdSense on his sites. At the very least this gives you a direct connection to other AS accounts. Unless, because the whois info for both those domains is the same person, you are actually the other WebmasterWorld member?

Again, if it's a long bow, my apologies.

buyingsites




msg:1407440
 11:35 pm on Aug 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

I guess he removed his site from his profile. someone pls pm me his site url.

Well at first i thought this post is not the regular song "of i got disabled what can i do" but now i see this is same song but tone has been changed. The guy is furious and knows somewhere he missed something which google caught and disabled him.
so the fact is this is not his first account got disabled the guy is pro he already might have been suspended and then reapplied in other name and then he got suspended again bec he left his previous sites links.

For my ebook i have listed all of the adsense disabled sites urls, some one please sticky me his url too. and may be i can compare to my list and tell you which site he had previously . It's not really hard to find someones association with previous disabled account if the guy has good traffic or making good money, because he will use same tricks again and again.

driris




msg:1407441
 11:38 pm on Aug 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

one of his sister site contains mp3 songs which could be the cause of concern for google or sister site might be banned previously

incrediBILL




msg:1407442
 11:46 pm on Aug 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

Google is going to Pay for it somehow, and I will plan how, even if it affects the Advertisers

Well now that you're threatening Google AND the advertisers I truly hope you don't get back into the program as you've proven not to be mature enough to deal with the business realities and your reactions don't pass the sniff test of a truly innocent person.

Heartlander




msg:1407443
 3:08 am on Aug 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Never underestimate the power of the internet. LOL
I'm not so sure he really would have included the site in his profile, had he known that there are pretty resourceful members here.
Google isn't stupid....and your success in website management has little to do with your successes in life, as Bill pointed out.
If you did nothing wrong, keep pleading.
If you did anything intentionally- good luck on that Yahoo thing if or when they accept you......

wanderingmind




msg:1407444
 4:44 am on Aug 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Multiple WW profiles, which were so easy to discover for 2oddsox? If Johnplayer could not hide that well enough, he probably could not hide his links to another banned AS account well enough either.

I could be jumping to conclusions though...

I wish Johnplayer could come back in here and clarify his position. I always prefer to think that someone genuine has been caught in a mistake by Google - then the prson gets angry, makes threats, and leaves the thread :-(

Sobriquet




msg:1407445
 5:04 am on Aug 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Never underestimate the power of the internet

and
... and never underestimate the power of the Google also.

I dont think Google will ban anyone with such clear reference to the reason, unless they have a clear proof.

BUT,,... with such posts rising, we all have our own set of doubts about the list of reasons that google fires someone.

It is high time that this should be left to speculation by Google. I guess each banned case should be publically listed, with URL, and the banning reason.

This is also help google to get very high credibity with advertisers as well as publishers.

Google, make the people who cheat you, be bare in open.
( its like public hanging on websites that wronged, so that everyoen knows and fears the cheating )

indias next no1




msg:1407446
 6:01 am on Aug 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

johnplayer :

One of your domain name may be used by someone else in the past mis-using adsense and may get banned from adsense.
so, he / she might left that domain name without renewing it. You might purchased that domain name without knowing its previous records.

This might be one of the reason for your adsense ban.

Note : English not my first language, so there may be some grammatical mistakes. please bear.

grandpa




msg:1407447
 6:04 am on Aug 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

The problem is, as always with Google and Adsense, we don't really know what all the criteria for such actions are.

I felt like that was worth repeating. Certainly the suspension of an account is not ad hoc, there are criteria. We have the TOS, but it doesn't really break it down in an easy to understand format. Perhaps a few case studies would help us all to understand. Is anyone at Google reading this thread?

DXL




msg:1407448
 6:12 am on Aug 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Google Cheated me, and I hate cheaters. Google is going to Pay for it somehow, and I will plan how, even if it affects the Advertisers

With that kind of attitude, it makes me wonder if you were engaged in fraudulent activity from the very start. If that's the case, I'll congratulate G on keeping Adsense as pure as possible and letting honest webmasters make a buck.

lammert




msg:1407449
 7:16 am on Aug 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

2oddSox, I think that your assumption that both domains belong to johnplayer is right. IP addresses of both sites are the same and the second site shows also white blocks where until recently AdSense blocks have been. Which indicates it has been suspended only recently.

BUT, I find it to early to conclude that johnplayer is an alias of another user on WebmasterWorld. The user you are probably pointing at does not have any references in the profile to this or other websites. Also, in his posts about AdSense in the past he mentioned earnings at a far lower level than johnplayer in this thread.

So, unless there is more information I believe the connection between these two WW users is just accidental.

James




msg:1407450
 10:39 am on Aug 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Whomever is right or wrong the fact remains Google should realise many people are doing webmastering and working with the adsense program to create a living income, and to just give somebody the chop is like firing somebody without notice.

Obviously if somebody is cheating then they deserve to be pulled, but it is just not fair to kick somebody out without a proper or any explanation. I am not taking either side in this present argument, but the fact they can do this at the push of a button is just not right, and is very bad PR.

I am sure if it was a google employee that got fired without notice or explanation, then lawsuits would be flying all over the place.

The only point I would comment on in this thread is if the original poster is savvy enough to run websites with so much traffic, it is a little surprising he had never heard of adsense upto recently.

I do think Google country or region profile when looking for dodgy business dealings, and in all probablity this guy comes from one of them, although that is not to say he is doing anything wrong, just perhaps he comes from a bad Neighborhood!

trillianjedi




msg:1407451
 10:54 am on Aug 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Google is going to Pay for it somehow, and I will plan how, even if it affects the Advertisers.

I suspect that's the reason google are no longer replying to you.

A business-like tone in emails, and attempts to get the issue resolved in a business-like manner, in my experience of reading these types of thread here, makes the distinction between google working with you, or writing you off.

TJ

2oddSox




msg:1407452
 2:47 pm on Aug 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Lammert:
BUT, I find it to early to conclude that johnplayer is an alias of another user on WebmasterWorld.

Lammert, in essence I agree with you and would prefer to let JP clarify himself. Witch hunts achieve very little. But I was more making the point that he does have a direct connection to other AS accounts, one of which could have been disabled, which was what he was unable to understand in his original post.

To clarify, the sole reason I was convinced they are either one and the same, or at least have a very strong working relationship, is because of the use of a particular PPL banner. The 'other' member previously made mention of very high earnings using this banner and I remember thinking at the time that it was unusual (given the type of audience he might have). He gave more than enough information in that discussion to find his site, I believe.

So then along comes Mr. Player who also uses the same banner, has a reference to the other member's site, both domains registered in one name, both from the same country, and share the same IP range.

It doesn't matter if they are the same person or not. All I'm suggesting is that there is possibly enough there to illustrate connections to other AS accounts and that's where the original poster should be looking for answers rather than threatening Google and the advertisers.

Tropical Island




msg:1407453
 2:58 pm on Aug 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

So then along comes Mr. Player who also uses the same banner, has a reference to the other member's site, both domains registered in one name, both from the same country, and share the same IP range.

Don't think we need Perry Mason for this one.

I guess each banned case should be publically listed, with URL, and the banning reason.

That will NEVER happen. Google would find themselves open to a barrage of law suits that would have the opposite effect of what we want - the elimination of the cheaters.

trillianjedi




msg:1407454
 2:59 pm on Aug 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Don't think we need Perry Mason for this one.

... and if a WebmasterWorld member can sniff it out then I have no doubt that google can.

TJ

europeforvisitors




msg:1407455
 3:36 pm on Aug 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Whomever is right or wrong the fact remains Google should realise many people are doing webmastering and working with the adsense program to create a living income, and to just give somebody the chop is like firing somebody without notice.

The contract between the publisher and Google lets both sides terminate the relationship without notice. As the expression goes, "what's good for the goose is good for the gander."

Obviously if somebody is cheating then they deserve to be pulled, but it is just not fair to kick somebody out without a proper or any explanation.

Johnplayer was given an explanation.

John Carpenter




msg:1407456
 4:27 pm on Aug 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Google Cheated me, and I hate cheaters. Google is going to Pay for it somehow, and I will plan how, even if it affects the Advertisers

I don't normally respond to such statements but I'll make an exception. I understand your situation, your anger and frustration, and that's why I urge you to seek some professional help, seriously. I don't mean a lawyer, but a psychologist, and if he or she doesn't help you, then I'd recommend you to seek some decent psychiatrist.

[edited by: John_Carpenter at 4:28 pm (utc) on Aug. 7, 2005]

walkman




msg:1407457
 4:28 pm on Aug 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

>> A business-like tone in emails, and attempts to get the issue resolved in a business-like manner, in my experience of reading these types of thread here, makes the distinction between google working with you, or writing you off.

I agree. If I was working for Google and read a threat like that, I'd go out of my way to find a reason to ban you.

reli




msg:1407458
 6:23 pm on Aug 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yes, sounds like Perry Mason's "The Case of the Dual Virtual Personalities"! except that both personalities are rather similar. I assume where there are siamese twins, there could evolve a triplet later...

buyingsites




msg:1407459
 7:21 pm on Aug 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Thanks jomaxx.
Well this was one of the funniest post of a crooked publisher threatening google i have ever seen.

Clear case of GREED and playing the system.

ann




msg:1407460
 7:55 pm on Aug 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

And another prime reason why Google does not allow more than one account...sheesh could have been a case of losing an account then signing up in great uncle Joes name.

Ann

Fryman




msg:1407461
 9:01 pm on Aug 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

And once again this proves that 99.99% of the people who get kicked out of Adsense are indeed just thieves and crooks.

Good work, Google.

wanderingmind




msg:1407462
 7:20 pm on Aug 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

..and its been a few days, and Johnplayer is not back...

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