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Please Google check were adsense is being displayed
and stop adds for s-crap-er sites
linuxguy

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 8200 posted 9:16 pm on Jul 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Iīm just sick of the web full of adsense sites that look like this:

<snip>

Itīs time for Google to start really looking were their adds appear. I donīt think is fair for adwords advertisers to be wasting money on these sites. Things like the dup content filter and other robot based filters are not enought. I think Google needs people actually looking at the websites and just stoping the adds for this damn sites. As a publisher that actually builds content I feel sick every time I see these websites.

[edited by: Jenstar at 3:10 am (utc) on Aug. 1, 2005]
[edit reason] No quoting from websites to out the publishers please, as per TOS [/edit]

 

Lex_Luther

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 8200 posted 10:05 pm on Jul 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm a adwords advertiser and I can tell you that the roi is sometimes much better on these sites. Where else can you pay 5 cents a click?

In the Telivision industry they have a saying:
"Broadcast TV is not designed for you; it's designed for advertisers"

OptiRex



 
Msg#: 8200 posted 1:29 pm on Jul 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm a adwords advertiser and I can tell you that the roi is sometimes much better on these sites.

I've seen you post this statement bfore.

Do you mean that you get as many click thrus as from a regular site thus your overall expenditure is much lower or do you get, say 50% as many click thrus, and again, since your overall expenditure is lower compared to 20c clicks, the real roi is lower?

Are the scrapers in your market better than most other markets?

Some scraper sites I have seen are really well designed with a lot of thought, time and design applied to them however they are distinctly the minority.

david_uk

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 8200 posted 5:34 pm on Jul 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm a adwords advertiser and I can tell you that the roi is sometimes much better on these sites. Where else can you pay 5 cents a click?

On the site listed as your homepage in your profile, why are there "page cannot be displayed" messages where (logically) adsense adblocks should be?

I do wonder if the reason you use adwords is simply to buy traffic - you don't actually sell anything. The intent being the hope that the traffic you acquire at 5c per click will be funnelled to your advertisers that pay more than minimum?

I can see that scrapers might work for you, but they don't work for others. Having junked scrapers and made for adsense sites by using the blocklist I'm getting 35-40c per click - today it's running at 53c per click.

Sooner adsense adds a nice little tick box to exclude minimum bid advertisers the better. When it costs scrapers as much to acquire traffic as they get from funnelling the traffic to real advertisers, the sooner they start dropping off the twig.

GuitarZan

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 8200 posted 6:26 pm on Jul 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hey,

Iīm just sick of the web full of adsense sites that look like this:

<snip>

Itīs time for Google to start really looking were their adds appear. I donīt think is fair for adwords advertisers to be wasting money on these sites. Things like the dup content filter and other robot based filters are not enought. I think Google needs people actually looking at the websites and just stoping the adds for this damn sites. As a publisher that actually builds content I feel sick every time I see these websites.

Get your facts straight before you post stuff like this (As if we haven't heard enough about scraper sites already). Just like the person said, ROI can be great from these sites because customers are clicking on the ads more than reading the content, and basically finding what they want.

Second, please stop whining about this stuff. If you are an adwords advertiser and are not converting traffic, that is your problem - Nobody elses.

All the Best,

C.K.

[edited by: Jenstar at 3:11 am (utc) on Aug. 1, 2005]
[edit reason] Removed quote of site text [/edit]

david_uk

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 8200 posted 7:49 pm on Jul 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

Scraper sites are not about to dissapear - nor is the army of complainers about them. However, there are positive signs in that Google wants people to report them. I don't know what they do with the reports!

It's often said that scrapers convert better for advertisers, but I don't think many people here are convinced. They may well work for some sites in that they might buy traffic from websites (if that counts as conversion). But if they work better for advertisers that have actual products to sell, rather than shunting traffic around the web is a different question altogether.

OK - take the site that is top on a Google search. Assume the site is a highly informative quality site. Can anybody answer why an advertiser selling goods and services to the visitors of the quality #1 site would do BETTER at selling the same goods and services to customers on a scraper that's bought traffic? I think the answer is that they don't.

I know that some people call shunting traffic around the web "conversions" - maybe that's not the best word for it.

Adsense has to be underpinned by customer flexing credit cards and buying goods and services off of advertisers. Just shunting traffic around from scraper to scraper does not generate income to the adsense program. If the scrapers who have nothing to sell take over, then adsense collapses - simple. Therefore whilst they will always exist, Google has to concentrate on real websites and real advertisers - therefore they are trying to marginalise the scrapers.

If the argument that scrapers convert better for advertisers that actually sell products and services that the postman can deliver were to be true, Google would be concentrating on promoting them - not trying to get them out of adsense.

Lex_Luther

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 8200 posted 8:18 pm on Jul 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

David UK said:
"On the site listed as your homepage in your profile ...."

That's not my home page, that's Forbes magazine, they dont need to buy traffic.

People that think only ads on a professional, non scraperish site, will convert, have been sold a bill of goods, much like my nieghbors with thier poorly made, unfurnished, McMansions.

You roi on the content network can be higher. People finding exactly what they need, which results in a higher click thru rate, lower cost per click, and a much higher roi, you just need to experment, carefully.

GuitarZan

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 8200 posted 3:20 am on Jul 31, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hey,

Your right, scraper sites are here to stay. But wait... isn't google getting better, I mean come on :) Sure, but so are the programs that generate these "junk" pages.

Either way, google makes money from scraper sites - And I bet a lot. I know of 1 person that does over 100k-200k per month from them, and if he is making that, adsense is making more. They aren't going to kill revenue like that.

C.K.

david_uk

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 8200 posted 7:39 am on Jul 31, 2005 (gmt 0)

Either way, google makes money from scraper sites - And I bet a lot. I know of 1 person that does over 100k-200k per month from them, and if he is making that, adsense is making more. They aren't going to kill revenue like that.

Of course they can't junk the lot overnight - just imagine what the shareholders would say! Google have to keep an eye on the twitchy stockmarket.

However, it is a fact that all the recent Google updates and innovations have been aimed at clearing scrapers out. Bourbon was, smartpricing certainly is.

Scrapers do not sell anything - they just shunt traffic from site to site. If adsense was only webmasters stealing content and buying traffic from each other, then that is what is known as a bubble.

Bubbles are not self supporting, and invariably burst.

Therefore the core business has to be customers with credit cards buying something that the post office can cram through the letter box, or FedEx can deliver to the wrong address. That is why Google are trying to clean them out, and that is why scrapers are not seen as a long term part of Google's strategy.

OK - a few are making money from them in the short term, but long term they will be mostly cleared out of the search engines by burying them at the bottom where nobody can find them, and if minimum bid price ever becomes a reality they will be marginalised to buying traffic from other scrapers and not from proper websites. If they have to pay as much to buy traffic as they gain from people clicking on their ads they will cease to exist.

Scrapers will always exist IMHO, but I think you will find they are going to be less prominent and a lot less profitable in the long term.

GuitarZan

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 8200 posted 5:34 pm on Jul 31, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hey,

Yeah not sure really, as I can't see the future. Nobody can. But there will always be what you some of you guys consider "junk" at the top of the serps. The SE's will never be perfect, and short of having human editors checking every single listing, it is going to happen.

Oh yeah, and bourbon was a joke. It knocked "good" and "bad" sites out of the index. Not sure who it really helped.

All the Best,

C.K.

miedmark

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 8200 posted 1:57 am on Aug 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Can someone pm me some links to those "s-cr-aper" sites. Always hear talking about them and I would love to see what all the fuss is.

aeiouy

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 8200 posted 2:13 am on Aug 1, 2005 (gmt 0)


In the Telivision industry they have a saying:
"Broadcast TV is not designed for you; it's designed for advertisers"

Yeah but they still have to deliver compelling content in order to deliver eyeballs to their customers.

The online ad game has not gotten to that point yet. Advertisers are not going to accept paying for people who are being extorted into clicking on their advertisements. It does not set up the kind of relationship most mainstream advertisers want with their customers.

I think you are going to see some pretty dramatic changes on how this exists in the coming years. People who are providing real content and real information are going to start receiving the bulk of the advertising dollars through these programs and people who are just trying to trick and mislead people into doing nothing other than clicking on an ad are going to be left with nothing.

You say you are an adwords advertiser, so they are affordable now at 5 cents a click and they deliver you more sales (or whatever you are after), per money invested than anything else? That is all fine and good, but there is even a limit to that. Like I said, bigger advertisers take other factors into consideration besides just price.

I for one am interested to see how things shake out, but I don't think it is going to favor this who ply misdirection as their main tool for revenue.

aeiouy

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 8200 posted 2:18 am on Aug 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Get your facts straight before you post stuff like this (As if we haven't heard enough about scraper sites already). Just like the person said, ROI can be great from these sites because customers are clicking on the ads more than reading the content, and basically finding what they want.

That of course is ridiculous, because as an advertiser your goal is not to just have people click on your ad. You want people to buy your product or service. A site that forces people to click on your ad because it offers nothing of value or worth is likely to be costing you money.

I know a lot of people here make good money of this deception trail, but I can't see this lasting forever. It is not a dynamic that will be supported for the long-term from many different directions. The people searching don't want it, most of the advertisers don't want and any publisher not doing it doesn't want it.

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