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Tired of scraper sites with AdSense
zeus




msg:1324541
 11:17 pm on Jul 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

When I search foe anything now a days I see those scraper sites, ok they just can NOT fix it, thats ok every one has a limit of brain power, but does google have to pay those sites to spam the search engines.

This google sponsoring scraper sites is also why I once asked how I could filter out google adsense in a seach, that way I will eleminate 80% of all scrapers in my search.

Issent there realy no hope here, it has been going for a long time now, I even tried myself creating a scraper it took 3 days and it was fully listed, with google adsense.

 

hyperkik




msg:1324542
 1:31 am on Jul 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

It is a fair assumption that, with Google's lax rules on the placement of ad units, and its permitting a proliferation of sites which are "more ad than content", scrapers and low-content sites are not a priority for Google at this time. As numerous people here have pointed out, there are a lot of measures Google could take, some of them quite simple, to reduce the number of scrapers and spam sites. It's all well and good to despise scrapers and deplore the low-content and no-content AdSense sites that litter the SERPs, but only Google can do something about it.

emodo




msg:1324543
 1:36 am on Jul 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

I agree. More and more search terms (that I wanted to search) are literally useless because they have been flooded with 99% spam.

Lex_Luther




msg:1324544
 1:46 am on Jul 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

I love scrapers.

I find the they have a higher adwords conversion per cost. I used to hate them, but try an adwords campiagn at 5 cents and it works. What used to cost me an average of #*$! per xxx conversions now is costing xx per xxx conversion. If you do it right you can make a killing with an 5 cent adwords campiagn, I know I am.

Please make more

zeus




msg:1324545
 9:06 am on Jul 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

If it just where possible to filter out every side with adsense in a search, that could be great, but I dont see any solution there, because if google want those site its not much to do.

moneyraker




msg:1324546
 10:39 am on Jul 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

[scrapers and low-content sites are not a priority for Google at this time]

I'm even inclined to think that not only are these not their priority, but they are probably earning a lot from them. Maybe they've looked at this issue, and discovered that wiping adsense off all scrapers on earth will obliterate a huge chunk of their earnings...all of us will probably have to live with them for now.

zeus




msg:1324547
 10:53 am on Jul 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

moneyraker - I also thought of that, because as soon you make a 3 keyword search you get about 50% scrapers in the results, I realy think google can not do anything about it anymore because they make a HUGE income of those scrapers, thats also a reason why I want a method to exclude adsense from searches on the net.

Another question is then is it time to make those scrapers for real, because it only takes 5 min per site, I realy would rather make a normal site, but hi we also have to make a living here.

ferhanz




msg:1324548
 12:10 pm on Jul 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well to getrid of Scrapper Sites , We at Webmasterworld have to play a big role, i dont think there is any other Adsense community as big as WebmasterWorld, so we should have a topic listing scrapper sites and then report those to google. We all should discourage these scrapper sites that are taking away our part of adsense revenue....

ferhanz

lammert




msg:1324549
 12:45 pm on Jul 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

(...)that are taking away our part of adsense revenue....

There are many sites that take away my part of AdSense revenue, especially those that are above me in the SERPs. Should I report them all to Google? ;)

IMO there is no need to report these scraper sites to Google. They know them all, or at least they know the characteristics to find them like: large sites, multiple adblocks, every page contains scraped SERPs etc.

The reason that these scrapers still exist in the SERPs and with AdSense running on them is that Google has no reason to remove them from either the index or the AdSense program. They are either profitable for Google, or they do no harm, i.e. that they only take a small amount of the gross AdSense budget. The best thing we can do to compete them is building better content sites which outperform the scrapers in the SERPs on a natural way.

Some months back I proposed another reason why Google is not removing AdSense from scrapers. If they really think they are the best search engine with the smartest engineers, then the scrapers will polute the SERPs from Yahoo and MSN more then their own SERPs (which is true according to my experience). Therefore the average search engine user will prefer to use Google because of the cleaner SERPs and those who want to use one of the other engines generate income for Google by clicking on the AdSense ads. A win-win situation so to say.

kwngian




msg:1324550
 1:29 pm on Jul 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

I even tried myself creating a scraper it took 3 days and it was fully listed, with google adsense.

Yup, good traffic from those pages too, much much better than my tanked pages. Small wonder that they are getting so popular. 1 simple logo with your target term, ads all over, scrap, scrap, scrap. To maximize result, do not use google's search results but other like MSN or Yahoo.

The best thing we can do to compete them is building better content sites which outperform the scrapers in the SERPs on a natural way.

That would be creating food for them. The scrapers are grabbing my pages faster than google does, and google may decide to 'downgrade' you.

Create more scrapers, let the merry go round begins or leave it be until it become official that they will be banned.

zeus




msg:1324551
 1:44 pm on Jul 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

ferhanz I have sent the 100 of sites, I even ask if they where interested in that I keep sending those, but no reply on that question.

About creating better sites, so we get fist in the serps - well then we have to create scraper sites.

GuitarZan




msg:1324552
 2:28 pm on Jul 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hey,

Quit whining would be a good start - And accept that scraper sites make the publisher, google, and the advertiser money.

I mean no offence, but this is old news. People keep finding excuses to moan about these sites.

C.K.

AffiliateDreamer




msg:1324553
 2:51 pm on Jul 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

good points.

scrapers also 'steal' traffic from Yahoo/MSN and bring adsense revenue for G.

europeforvisitors




msg:1324554
 3:58 pm on Jul 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

It is a fair assumption that, with Google's lax rules on the placement of ad units, and its permitting a proliferation of sites which are "more ad than content", scrapers and low-content sites are not a priority for Google at this time.

Scraper sites have been an inevitable consequence of AdSense 1.0, the goal of which was to achieve a dominant market share for contextual ads.

Already, though, we're seeing signs of change, most notably:

- Advertiser blocking by domain (currently limited to 25 domains, but likely to increase just as publisher's limits on blocked domains and channels have increased)

- Site-targeted CPM ads (which will attract mainstream advertisers but will also tend to drive up eCPMs for sites that deliver quality audiences while reducing eCPMs for scraper and other low-quality sites).

Google may feel that, over the long term, the best way of dealing with scraper sites and other low-quality "made for AdSense" sites is to:

- Let the Google Search team deal with them, since such sites depend almost exclusively on search for traffic;

- Let scraper sites continue to exist as venues for cheap advertising (the online equivalent of weekly shopping supplements and "occupant" bulk mail), since there will always be advertisers who are willing to buy low-quality traffic for a few pennies per click.

Remember, AdSense is still a first-generation product that's lumped in with gmail, parked domains, and other parts of Google's "content network." This potluck/lowest common denominator approach is already beginning to change (with site-targeted CPM ads and advertiser domain blocking), and scraper sites are likely to become marginalized as the rate of change accelerates.

ownerrim




msg:1324555
 4:37 pm on Jul 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

"currently limited to 25 domains, but likely to increase just as publisher's limits on blocked domains and channels have increased"

is the url block filter (er, pardon me, "competitive filter list")limited to 200?

medowl




msg:1324556
 5:58 pm on Jul 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hey,

Quit whining would be a good start - And accept that scraper sites make the publisher, google, and the advertiser money.

I mean no offence, but this is old news. People keep finding excuses to moan about these sites.

C.K.

True, this is nothing new. But should we be happy that someone steals our content and makes money off of it? Or that pages with valuable content lose out in the SERPs to pages of nonsense that are stuffed with keywords? In the long run, the web would be better if originality, honesty and quality are rewarded. In the short run, people can make money by stealing eyeballs (and that will always be true to a degree), but I look forward to SE updates that banish such idiocy to the sandboxes of Hades. I prefer to meet people's needs, not game the system.

zeus




msg:1324557
 8:37 pm on Jul 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

I know adsense and the google search team are different, but please they have to work this out, it can not be we have to see all those scrapers sponsored by google ruin serps on google,yahoo, MSN... + they also ruin some sites that maybe not have that much text, but more pictures/flash and those sites then get filtered because of google HUGE dublicated filter which has gone nuts the last 3-6 month.

GuitarZan




msg:1324558
 1:08 am on Jul 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hey,

But should we be happy that someone steals our content and makes money off of it?

Don't forget that they also provide a 1 way link to your site.

Creating sites that are interesting and unique are for people that enjoy hobbies.

C.K.

europeforvisitors




msg:1324559
 1:33 am on Jul 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

Creating sites that are interesting and unique are for people that enjoy hobbies.

Or who want to enjoy healthy long-term profits.

sailorjwd




msg:1324560
 1:52 am on Jul 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'll settle for interesting and useful

And, the winter off in Florida

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