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Bookmarking a site invites trouble.....
the only way to get rid of that person is to abandon the page
asianguy



 
Msg#: 7823 posted 10:20 am on Jul 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

because it's the same IP address that's trying to click the Ads. Once it's bookmarked, you are vulnerable to spam click.

What would you do if this person who bookmarked your page will make it his most visited page, and will click most Google ads to find things every time he opens it? I'm sure this will send a red flag to Google.

This is the reason why i removed my bookmark feature so that i dont have to worry about it.

It's your call to make but just be cautious!

 

Zygoot

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Msg#: 7823 posted 10:33 am on Jul 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

It's not always the same IP address, many ISPs provide dynamic IP addresses to their users.

Bookmarking isn't evil, it's just one of the elementary ways to grow your website traffic.

larryhatch

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Msg#: 7823 posted 10:38 am on Jul 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

I don't have Adsense, so I'm not worried about repeated clicks. I WOULD like
to know how to impliment those "Click here to bookmark this page" gimmicks.
Is it fairly simple and easy? Can I do it in html or would I need a bit of JS? -Larry

Alioc

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Msg#: 7823 posted 10:43 am on Jul 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Larry, just sent you the code. Have fun.

larryhatch

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Msg#: 7823 posted 10:51 am on Jul 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Thanks Alioc! I just checked my stickymail and there's nothing there.
Maybe there's a time delay. Did you send it to the right person? - Larry

Shak

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Msg#: 7823 posted 11:13 am on Jul 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

This is the reason why i removed my bookmark feature so that i dont have to worry about it.

give me quality regular bookmarked traffic, anyday, over adsense revenue

am pretty sure even Google would agree that the best visitor is the loyal visitor

Shak

jenkers

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Msg#: 7823 posted 11:57 am on Jul 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

if you take your site offline where nobody can see it then you will never suffer from click fraud. Sorry for being facetious (not really), but if somebody clicks on an ad or two or three and they did do because they (we suppose) are interested in the ads - these clicks are valid, they might not be worth very much to the advertiser but in the context of G's rules they are valid clicks.

By getting rid of the bookmark facility you are potentially losing repeat visitors. I really would not worry about it that much.

I expect that people on one of my sites click on multiple ads and if they return hopefully they do the same - I have designed the site so that the ads compliment the content and so that my visitors can see what goods/services are currently being advertised in that area.

Alioc

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Msg#: 7823 posted 12:03 pm on Jul 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Sent again Larry. That's a good one with some editable sections.

- - To poster - -

As far as your return visitor percentage is no greater than SE traffic, you don't need to worry. Returning visitors are interested in reading YOUR content more than seeing what new ads your site has to display.

[edited by: Alioc at 12:08 pm (utc) on July 12, 2005]

panaceapeace

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Msg#: 7823 posted 12:08 pm on Jul 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi Alioc,

Can you send the me bookmark code to me also?

with rgds,
Abhisek

Alioc

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Msg#: 7823 posted 12:10 pm on Jul 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Sent. You can ask through stickymail so that we don't fill up here.

burntan

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Msg#: 7823 posted 1:29 pm on Jul 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Visitors bookmark your site for its content, not as a portal to click ads. I am sure Google able to differential the behavior of a re-visit visitor and a click-bot.

4string

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 7823 posted 2:28 pm on Jul 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yes, don't they track how much a site gets bookmarked/revisited through the toolbar? That could easily fit into their fraud algo.

4

incrediBILL

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Msg#: 7823 posted 3:36 pm on Jul 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

We're being Punk'd with this thread, right?

Submitting "Bookmarkaphobia" to Webster's so I get credit for coining the word.

caspita

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Msg#: 7823 posted 3:53 pm on Jul 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

This is the reason why i removed my bookmark feature so that i dont have to worry about it.

And how do you stop the users from using their "Add to favorites"?, I think you are a little paranoic here ;-)

CS.

Curiosity

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Msg#: 7823 posted 6:00 pm on Jul 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

If you're going to disable bookmarks, you should close all your forums, too. And erase all your mailing lists. And shut down your blog. And change your content so that no one will want to visit your site more than once. In fact, why not move to a new domain name every six months, so that your past visitors won't know where to find you?

Seriously, repeat visitors are what the web is all about. No repeat visitors = a lousy page. Google knows this and has worked it into its algorithm. (If they hadn't, most of us would have been disabled in the first month.) Really, man, it's OK. The sky isn't falling. I promise you.

asianguy



 
Msg#: 7823 posted 8:56 pm on Jul 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Curiosity, you do what's best for your sites because they are yours. Let me know when you make $5K a month, maybe i will consider your advice.

I'm not changing my sites right now because it's generating $4,000+ a month income and UPS Club is coming.

I get around 900 clicks a day and climbing.

incrediBILL

WebmasterWorld Administrator incredibill us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 5+ Year Member Top Contributors Of The Month



 
Msg#: 7823 posted 9:16 pm on Jul 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

How do you know it's not the people bookmarking generating your income already?

IMO if you make it to the UPS club it will be despite all your best efforts to stop yourself.

Luxuryhousingtrends

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Msg#: 7823 posted 9:19 pm on Jul 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

What would you do if this person who bookmarked your page will make it his most visited page, and will click most Google ads to find things every time he opens it?

Yes, I bookmark pages all the time just so I can click the ads...

Repeat visitors are far less likely to click ads than people who are just passing through. If they bookmarked your site, it's because they want to read YOUR content. Nobody bookmarks things because they thought the ads were cool and want to come back and click them again.

xtreem

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 7823 posted 10:12 pm on Jul 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think what the original poster is referring to is those scam sites which basically force the bookmaring/setting of homepage onto "visitors" in order to get click simply through volume of scammed individuals.

And perhaps if a site forces a user to set the site as their homepage, such that the user visits that site everytime they open their browser, and said site is nothing but ads, then perhaps it will look like fraud to google. So then it isn't good advice to have auto-bookmarking tricks.

But then again, its not good advice to run such sites in the first place.

kiladen

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Msg#: 7823 posted 10:20 pm on Jul 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

This is a silly post.

novice

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Msg#: 7823 posted 10:43 pm on Jul 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Submitting "Bookmarkaphobia" to Webster's so I get credit for coining the word.

incrediBILL, incredible as it may seem I searched your term and it's already been used :)

Curiosity

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 7823 posted 12:09 am on Jul 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think what the original poster is referring to is those scam sites which basically force the bookmaring/setting of homepage onto "visitors" in order to get click simply through volume of scammed individuals.

It would be nice if he were, but no, he really is afraid that people who bookmark his page of their own accord will click his ads too many times and get him booted.

If a site does trick a user into setting it as the user's homepage... oh, yeah. Serious black hat. I think there's something in the unofficial Google guide to spam pages that mentions tricks like that.

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