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When does Google do their click fraud audit?
mobitels

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Msg#: 7747 posted 4:08 pm on Jul 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Then Google doing Traffic Audit? Every day, after end of months, or before payment, or when?

If in my Payment History, i see : Discription Earnings in June was XXXX, it's mean all fine with my accaunt and google did AUDIT my traffic and i passed it, or not?

I think some of competitors did INVALID CLICKS on my website, and i hope i do not will banned from google :(

( sorry for my english )

 

jenkers

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 7747 posted 4:15 pm on Jul 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

if you can log into your account and your earnings are shown then you are ok. But if you get banned for invalid clicks before they send you the money they'll keep it.

ashii

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 7747 posted 5:17 pm on Jul 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I always wonder How google Protect me from bad people who can invalid click on my Website to block my google account?

How fo I protect myself?

mobitels

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 7747 posted 5:59 pm on Jul 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

If Google clouse my acc. , Google make money on it.
It's easy to say "you are cheater" ... "all your cklisk is INVALID"...... :(

Dantol



 
Msg#: 7747 posted 2:10 am on Jul 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

mobitels,
I think I smell a cheater around.
You are so scared of your earnings that you came to this website, registered on this forum, only to ask "is everything ok, did I pass".

Come on dude,
those of us who do not cheat have nothing to be afraid of.

Dantol



 
Msg#: 7747 posted 2:12 am on Jul 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Mobitels, let's begin this conversation with top 10 reasons banned publishers use when begging Google to reinstate their accounts:

1. "I clicked on my own ads, because I simply felt like it"
2. "I wanted to quit my job, so I switched to Google"
3. "Profit potential was too tempting so I spammed porn websites for traffic"
4. "I didn't know what I was doing"
5. 'Blame the guy who can't speak English'
6. "It wasn't me, it was my niece. I swear I didn't know she was 3"
7. "It was the guy in the office"
8. "It was my EX-gay friend"
9. "Somebody kept clicking on my ads all day long out of interest"
10. "I swear I never clicked on any ads, But I did stay in Holiday Express last night"

Mobitels, cheating will get you nowhere. By cheating companies of their hard earned money, you are contributing to even bigger misery in this troubled world. Think of it this way, all these companies that pay for advertising have thousands of shareholders who invested their life savings into these companies hopping to get "something" in return. And these shareholders have their families and children to feed. Now, what use do these companies and these shareholders get with invalid (worthless) clicks? None.

Majority of Google advertisers seem to be "average" Joe's who pay hard earned money to get someone interested in their product visit their website. What do they get with invalid (worthless, spam) clicks? Nothing.

What do you get by contributing to this 'click misery'? $100? $200? $300? More? For how long? 1 month? 2 months? And then your account gets suspended and you lose 10's of thousands or even 100s of thousands of dollars in potential earnings.

Now, when it comes to my underwear, you should know that this is not a gay forum, nor am I a homosexual. If you enjoy peeping through male underwear, that's your business - and keep me out of it.

BillyS

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Msg#: 7747 posted 3:00 am on Jul 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

I remember about a month back someone posting how they accidently clicked ads with their friends. Something like 300 clicks - an accident?

Not sure why mobitels is worried about audits, I've never even given them a second thought. You know why? Because I run a legit site and I'm very careful. If I tell a friend about my website, I ask them not to click on ads - and explain why it's important to me that they don't click an ad.

And just for the record, I'm not interested in anything Dantol might have in his underwear.

SuperSeo

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Msg#: 7747 posted 12:49 am on Jul 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hello,

Just wondering what kind of safeguards Google has for something like this.

Somebody (a competitor) copy my javascript adsense code from my web page. They put that code on a web page with their own host in a different country. Then they use scripts/clickbots/proxy to click on those AdSense links.

Even if I have adsense monitoring script installed on my server, it won't catch the clicks since it's on their pages & servers?

Lex_Luther

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 7747 posted 1:16 am on Jul 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

""""Somebody (a competitor) copy my javascript adsense code from my web page. They put that code on a web page with their own host in a different country. Then they use scripts/clickbots/proxy to click on those AdSense links. """"

I would like to hear input about the above also, but perhaps it would be best in a new thread

''

Jenstar

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Msg#: 7747 posted 1:18 am on Jul 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Somebody (a competitor) copy my javascript adsense code from my web page. They put that code on a web page with their own host in a different country. Then they use scripts/clickbots/proxy to click on those AdSense links.

Would be fairly simple to give them a list of your URLs and ask them to cross check that they match, if there was a suspension issue.

Tropical Island

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Msg#: 7747 posted 1:47 am on Jul 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Every day, after end of months, or before payment, or when?

Every hour at 17 minutes past the hour.

miguelito

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 7747 posted 1:55 pm on Jul 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have to laugh at some of you who confidently predict that they donīt worry or think about it because they are honest whilst sanctimoniously labelling all those who have been banned as potential cheaters and liars.....i wonder if you will feel as confident if google decides that you have invalid clicks yourself...nobody is safe from mistakes and we all need to protect and monitor our sites as much as possible.

Typical human nature ...same priciple at work here "i wonīt even begin to worry about it until it happens to me and it wonīt because i am honest"

caspita

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Msg#: 7747 posted 2:33 pm on Jul 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

Would be fairly simple to give them a list of your URLs and ask them to cross check that they match, if there was a suspension issue.

That would be possible only if you go that far to know the reason. I don't think that for a regular (unknown, with no contacts at all, no-cheater, well behaived, clean) publisher that would be the case.

Google does not use to give away the real reason, as so far I know they just give you general pre-made email and should consider your self lucky if you get a more personalized response after that.

That's why we need, as AS publishers, a simple option where we can white-list all of our websites where the code is considered our responsability. If they provide a block-list where you can specify which Ads you don't want to show, why can not they provide the same where you can list your domains? and the we don't need to be worried aboud somebody copy/pasting our AS code into a free webserver page and getting invalid clicks from there?

I use to rotate many channels for testing, and I use to get impressions of channels that I have not be using since months ago (so far no clicks, or may be 1 or 2, I cannot remember), I have to assume that these impresions are comming from some cache (gg, y!, msn, aol?).. meaning that if someone would like to hurt my account does not even need to copy/paste the code or create a fake webpage, they can just go to a cached page and do as many clicks as they want.

just my .2

CS.

StephenBauer

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 7747 posted 6:46 pm on Jul 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

I will have to admit that it is a little suspicous to hear these concerns.

Having said that, I am amazed at all the instant finger pointing too.

Some people are worriers. They worry about "what ifs" way more than they should. I know this from personal experience.

So why should an honest person worry about AdSense and their site? Well, they shouldn't really. However; if you are a worrier by nature (and have not conquered your unwarranted and often exaggerated fears), then you will worry. They think "I have put all this effort into creating a website" and "all these folks, some who sound honest and earnest, report of being banned and lose money they had built up". That scenario will worry a "worrier" for sure.

Also, if you are taking a "holier than thou" stance against all these folks without knowing the full story or even the person, it doesn't make you look any more honest in anyone's eyes, even certain posters affiliated with Google. If anything, it may make you look more suspicious than saying nothing. Then again, that is just the "worrier" and "paranoid" in me.

All:
Good luck. Mind your Ps & Qs and you will have nothing to worry about.

Worriers (free therapy):
Remember, worriers worry about unsubstantiated fears (usually in a scenario) - a flash of "what ifs" in their head. The way to get out of your worry rut is to talk about the possible outcomes of each unsubstantiated fear and realize the worst that can happen is not really that bad at all. It is something that either will not happen or if it does, it is not the end of the world. You can make a comeback (no matter how small or large the setback). Of course, this will not work with delusions (i.e. "if Google bans me, the moon will crash into the Earth, sending a tsunami that floods my home while I am asleep in the basement"). If you are at that level, you need some *real* therapy.

Cr@p, now I am worried about that tsunami again! :-)

One thing I always think to myself is "how does this worry benefit me" (it does not) and that is sort of a mental cue to remind me of the silliness of my "worry" thoughts.

Actually, the quick "how does this benefit me" thought works for other things too, like decision making in terms of food choice, financial decision, etc. It is a simple mental cue to remind yourself of your diet, financial goals, or whatever. A sort of mantra. Pin it up on your wall so you see it in the morning.

There...let the SB cracks begin!

;-)

andrea99



 
Msg#: 7747 posted 5:00 pm on Jul 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think there are two ways an honest website could get banned for fraudulant clicks.

One would be a naive and foolish friend who thinks "oh, I'll do my friend a favor and click on her ads so she makes a lot of money." The other would be an enemy or a competitor who seeks to do harm.

If Adsense is a substantial part of your income it is only natural to worry about these things.

Just watch your numbers carefully and if it appears there is unusual activity report it to Google before they find it on their own.

There have been many rumors circulating about how one extra click from the same IP will get you banned. I doubt that Google is that foolish but they are only human so certainly they could make a mistake.

So, there is always room to worry--even for honest publishers.

Cayars

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 7747 posted 9:09 pm on Jul 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

One way Google could help us in this department would be to add a method for us to put in "authorized" IP addresses where we will run the add code from. This would put a dent in the ability for someone to "steal" your adcode and cause you harm.

You yourself can watch your own logs (with a good Adsense tracker) and ban IPs from anyone you think is causing you harm.

Personally, I'd like to see Google add a little bit more checking to their code and only allow X clicks in Y minutes from an IP address. This would also help in the case of the "friend" who thinks he's helping you out. While he may click 5 ads only 1 would be recorded or none at all as he would be flagged as "click spamming" during the Y duration.

Just my 2 cents,

Carlo

Dantol



 
Msg#: 7747 posted 9:30 am on Jul 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

Personally, I'd like to see Google add a little bit more checking to their code and only allow X clicks in Y minutes from an IP address. This would also help in the case of the "friend" who thinks he's helping you out. While he may click 5 ads only 1 would be recorded or none at all as he would be flagged as "click spamming" during the Y duration.

Cool. Forward your comments to adsense-support@google.com . Maybe they take them into consideration, you never know. If 10-20 people request this feature, I bet they will take it into consideration.

desi_curry

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 7747 posted 10:08 am on Jul 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

StephenBauer, That was a nice reply.

I started adsense just 2 months back on a website which was 6 years old without any advert on my site. I got around 50 bucks in 1 month and I felt very sorry of not keeping the code in the website since years. Just think how much I could have earned if I knew about the adsense from the start. Any ways this money excited me and I started spending around 10 hours a day on reading this forum, trying diffrent ad formats and related. After first month I added around 70-80 pages of new content. And guess what, I am at near to 10$/day by the end of the month.

But since last few days due to the increase in the trafic and my income, I started having a fear that what if someone messes-up with my account and I got banned. May be I shoudnt worry but it comes natural becasue there is very much less I can do in not allowing myself to be bursted. I havent told to any friend of mine about this with the fear of someone messing my account. I got disturbed so much in last few days that I gave up working on the site and doing the regular modifications. I wanted to get rid of that constant back fear in my mind.

Guess what my revenue got increased by 20-40% in last few days and made my worry more. Infact I was happy with my previous lesser earnings itself.

My current website itself has lot more potentials of earnings as I havnt kepts the adsense on all my pages. The situation now is that I am not able to take a firm decesion about should I go on this full time, or continue with my current job and do this part time. I am very much sure that in just couple of months I would be earning more on adsense then my job. Infact it can be 2-3 times my current salary in a period of 9-10 months.

But still I have decided to not go full time on adsense just becasue no matter I am 100% honest, it looks to me that its easy for some one to mess up my account and the second thing is that I would be living in a constant back fear of getting banned from adsense.

May be after some time I might change up my mind and go full time on this, may be when google has better tracking features to find the real culprits and innocent.

Any ways thanks google and thanks webmasterd world.

Cheers

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