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AdSense Click Warfare
Brett_Tabke

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Msg#: 764 posted 3:41 pm on Oct 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

There are two types of fraud:
- 1) by the site owners who click to increase revenue.
- 2) by competitors running click bots to cause a person to get kicked out of the program.

Do you feel fraud will be the downfall of AdSense?

 

Jon_King

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Msg#: 764 posted 9:28 pm on Oct 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

I think the argument that this system can only be as good as the honesty of the 'clickers' is incorrect.

We could start a movement right now in the 'underground threads' to encourage thousands of hackers to click on these 'things' ... where and whenever without regard.

We could start a movement in grade schools and high schools where kids compare notes on how many ads they clicked that day at school or at home. We could make it cool to click these things.

We could get the press to state over and over on the nightly news how clicking on these things could bring the system down. All kinds of ornery people would start 'doing it'.

I could go on and on with how Adsense could be filled with false clicks... that does not mean that the honest buyers don't get through. They do, and they do buy goods and services.

The only thing that has changed is the ratio of clicks to conversions. The price per click will find it's proper level. Context advertising is here to stay. IMO

aravindgp

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Msg#: 764 posted 1:29 pm on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

Here's My 2Cents worth,
What I deeply belive about adsense :)

1.Adsense is here to stay, there are 1000's of websites using it now.Across countries and cultures.

2.Is the fraud clicking threat real , yes it is.Is google in a position to detect this, a resounding yes again.

3.Should we be carefull in displeasing others in forums, the real threat is this than programs.

4.Clickbots , if a program comes arround and keeps clicking on adsense , is it possible for algo to detect?It's a cakewalk for business analysts.Programs have not reached the level of humans,no java program can be written to similuate human browising behaviour.So I belive if a program is clicking, it will do in minutes and , if you take down number of clicks and the time it took them to be generated.Just keep an eye on your stats.If something alarming happens takedown.Investigate.

Here I belive google can give us a small option of pausing adsense.Since I don't want to run adsense on my site on weekends or nights, coz I know as adwords advertiser I don't have weekend traffic hence it doesn't make sense to display adsense on non-converting times.

Certainly I want my advertisers to make money,since I belive it's they who are paying me money in the longrun. :)

5.Lastly the best way to opt is controling your traffic.I know this is tricky issue, I always belived if you can control your traffic you are in better position and in safer place on internet.Lot of us here are SEO's and Adwords specalists hence have lot more control on traffic control than others who don't have that knowledge.I know with my stats, there can be only so many impressions and so many clicks.No more than 2% of + or -.

6.What if you are kicked out of Adsense, yes it's something sad & unfortunate, but if you control your traffic then there are ways to use the traffic. :)

justageek

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Msg#: 764 posted 1:54 pm on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

Adsense is here to stay

Yep, but most likely will morph into a more realistic advertising solution. Geo targeting and cpc simply is not enough compared to other established networks solutions out there. Don't take me the wrong way. It's good. So the others. Together they are better.

no java program can be written to similuate human browising behaviour

Absolutely not true. The program does not have to be smart. The person who writes it does and many have been in existence for quite some time.

JAG

loanuniverse

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Msg#: 764 posted 1:57 pm on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

Geo targeting and cpc simply is not enough compared to other established networks solutions out there.

You forgot context... pretty much the big gun on the equation.

Also please elaborate on what the other networks offer, and what makes adsense unrealistic...

Mauricio



 
Msg#: 764 posted 2:56 pm on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

Other ad networks?

Please, explain what you're talking about:
a) doubleclick and the others untargeted "Punch the monkey and win" ad networks?
b) Commision Junction and other affiliate networks where you can get the 2% from the 15$ sale from the 0,3% CTR banners?
c) Wearethebestinadvertisingbutnobodyknows.com, some cool guys with big ideas but no advertisers?
d) Kanoodle and the others PPC engines which pay to you the 20% from his 1c clicks every time an user does a search on your site and makes a second click?

Do you know any ad network paying 2, 3, 4 or 5$ for 1.000 impressions? To small sites like mine too? Please, tell me where is: I need it.

europeforvisitors



 
Msg#: 764 posted 3:02 pm on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

You forgot context... pretty much the big gun on the equation.

Yes, and AdSense brings two forms of context to the party:

(1) Targeting by keyword, and (just as important)

(2) Targeting by niche audience.

Targeting by keyword is the easy part: Google's algorithm isn't perfect, but it's pretty good.

Targeting by niche audience is trickier, and for now Google has chosen to be inclusive rather than selective--presumably on the theory that, if it lets 100,000 publishers run its keyword-targeted ads for purple widgets, at least some of those publishers will be running purple-widget sites (and therefore will be more successful in selling purple widgets than, say, an article in THE WASHINGTON POST that happens to mention purple widgets).

IMHO, being able to target niche audiences gives AdSense a huge competitive edge over networks like Overture's Content Match that are geared to large general-interest news and entertainment sites. Sites like MSNBC or CNN may be great places for branding, but if you're selling cameras (to use just one example), you're likely to have better results on a special-interest photography site than on MSNBC...just as you'd have better results with a mail-order ad in POPULAR PHOTOGRAPHY than in TIME or PEOPLE.

aravindgp

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Msg#: 764 posted 3:05 pm on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

I don't intend to be personal here but would like to elaborate on what I meant,

Once a program clicks on advertisement automatically, it doesn't make it sophisticated.

What makes it is,

a) It should be mimicking human browser behaviour.
b) It had to generate multiple IP's and generate clicks on multiple locations, click on mulitple ads, refresh page every time it wants to click, Click on different ads on different pages.Which cannot be same since it has to take into account how the adword creative is written.After all at the end google has a measure of how much that particular creative is being clicked vis-a-vis other creatives.So it has to be so sophisticated in incorportating adwords creative sensor, which would be like sensing creative, analysing it and than click on most relevant creative.I can't imagine such a program being made at such sophisticated level.

Even if such a program exists(which I doubt ever exists) it can be used far more effectively for marketing campaigns rather than use on it adsense.It's perhaps the dumbest use of such wonderfull application to use it on adsense.Then how many of such people will be there, it will be quite neglible infact.

It's a wonderfull tool if you can mimick human browser behaviour, after all every internet marketing manager wants to have tool which gives such kind of specifics. :)

Ps: JAG,please don't take anything personally,it's just intended to tell how difficult it's to create such programs.

[edited by: aravindgp at 3:17 pm (utc) on Oct. 6, 2003]

trillianjedi

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Msg#: 764 posted 3:11 pm on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

zero risk to competitors.

They're committing fraud however you look at it.

How much of a risk depends on how tough google want to get with it.

TJ

joeldg

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Msg#: 764 posted 3:20 pm on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

actually.
using curl (PHP curl functions, PHP CLI build) this application, and I assume you are speaking of the click warfare on adsense, would be trivial.

let me explain:
1) gather a list of public proxies, lists full of thousands can be easily obtained.
2) referrer and cookie handling is built into curl, so yes, you could actually check for and load/return cookies and spoof a referral from google itself.
3) UserAgent is built into curl, most webstats programs can return a full list of known useragents from logs.

randomize each of these up and place in all the search terms (use overture suggestion tool to grab a nice big list) and you could really wreck havok on advertisers for your target keywords.

I am assuming this would be so that you could bomb out the high-bidders so your adsense ad would display at or near the top.

I have used curl here at work to log into american express and get our corporate card balance. That includes several cookies and a wait page similar to paypal (commandline curl would use -L and -t 25 for 'follow redirects' and timeout set to around 25).

This could be a pretty damaging thing and I suspect this has actually happened as I watched some of my adsense ads reach daily limits within an hour or so with no real visitors that actually clicked further than the ad itself.

justageek

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Msg#: 764 posted 4:44 pm on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

JAG,please don't take anything personally

I never do ;-) I think it is good for everyone to express themselves. That's the only way things can get better.

(which I doubt ever exists)

Googlebot is one. It just doesn't mask it's ip. joeldp hit it right with his explanation.

You forgot context... pretty much the big gun on the equation

Didn't forget. Just didn't mention it because it is the context of this forum therefore it's a given :-)

Other ad networks? Please, explain what you're talking about

As I said in my earlier post. It will be a combination of the good things from other networks not the 'punch the monkey and win' example but rather things such as demographic information mixed into the mix. We are already seeing contextual advertisements on affiliate networks which makes the most sense to me.

some cool guys with big ideas but no advertisers

Hmmm. Wasn't Google this just a little while back?

The point I was trying to make folks is not so much that you can do this today from one place. You can't. But when you can it will be great.

For example, if I could show the most profitable advertisement possible whether it was an affiliate ad running cps or maybe it was cpc or whatever, on my page talking about widgets, and I could also know that one visitor is more likely to purchase a full size widget, and another visitor was only able to buy a small size widget because of demographics, and I would make more money from an affiliate relationship versus a set cpc, and I didn't have to think about it, I would be a happy camper. Sorry for the long sentence. So add in all the good things about all the other networks, take away the bad, add in contextual targeting and get a better system.

I guess I could be wrong. Perhaps we have reached the pinnacle and it cannot get better. Perhaps there is absolutely nothing to be learned, good or bad, from the past decade. Perhaps not one single good form of advertising was discovered until now. I guess I just didn't have the intelligence to realize that content targeting + cpc + small sites = perfection in online advertising.

Thanks for the wake-up call ;-)

JAG

loanuniverse

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Msg#: 764 posted 4:54 pm on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

content targeting + cpc + small sites = perfection in online advertising.

Don't worry, we forgive you ;) Seriously, I don't think anyone is saying that this is perfection. In addition, the demographic information {a la Burst!} is a good point.

My point was that you said:
Geo targeting and cpc simply is not enough compared to other established networks solutions out there.
You forgot to mention Adsense's strongest point and said that there was already a better solution. My argument is that right now, there isn't. I am sure there will be one within a couple of years as the whole sector wakes up to the kind of money that Google will be pulling in.

/me waits in anticipation for the prospectus...

justageek

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Msg#: 764 posted 5:01 pm on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

Seriously, I don't think anyone is saying that this is perfection

Really? I'll have to reread some of the posts the last month or so then. And for so many people (certainly not all) to not even acknowlege that something can be better is beyond my abilities to comprehend. I should have learned from other posts I have made, and gotten slammed for, that I am in the wrong place here. I have had some very good conversations with some of you all but I feel perhaps it is my time to reboot and move on to a different system. Thanks all.

JAG

loanuniverse

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Msg#: 764 posted 5:25 pm on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

Really? I'll have to reread some of the posts the last month or so then.

I understand why some people would be defensive of the program to the point of ilogical arguments. I usually do not dwell on people that make remarks that are off base. I try to remember people and posts that make sense and are substantiated. Your posts have been some of the ones I have enjoyed reading. I don't think you should go since this topic would be the worse without people like you.

I am sure that if you look at the whole exchange in the last few posts of the thread you will see that it is over nothing.

joeldg

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Msg#: 764 posted 5:27 pm on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

Mauricio wrote:
Do you know any ad network paying 2, 3, 4 or 5$ for 1.000 impressions? To small sites like mine too? Please, tell me where is: I need it.

If you want this kind of money you will need to run your own advertising or use a third party system to run your own.
There are a lot of these springing up. i.e. in order of preference (payout): <snip>

I will be honest and say that I am slanted in these choices because I built tagword, and that choice was made because of google adsense and my frustration with the lack of stats and randomly fluctuating earnings (i.e. watching it go from $25 to $5 for no reason listed).

It works for me, and I have around 300 sites using it to good effect now. I know marketbanker is doing well also, in particular for blog sites.

OM seems to be geared almost exclusive for dating sites and I have no experience with them.

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 4:45 pm (utc) on Oct. 8, 2003]

europeforvisitors



 
Msg#: 764 posted 5:31 pm on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

I think it's pretty tough to include demographics in the equation, unless you're talking about subscription-only sites, sites that require registration, or (at the very least) sites such as news, craft, and hobby sites that have a lot of regular readers.

Anyway, demographics are important mainly to advertisers who are paying for impressions instead of results. Granted, you may not want regulars at goodwill-shoppers.org to click on your ads for mink-trimmed diamond widgets, but that's unlikely to be a problem if you select your keywords carefully and write appropriate ad copy. And if AdSense gave advertisers more control over ad placement (i.e., by being able to use include or exclude filters), advertisers wouldn't have to worry so much about "curiosity clicks" by Goodwill shoppers with dreams of winning the lottery.

loanuniverse

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Msg#: 764 posted 5:41 pm on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

I also have to say that I do not like an affiliate relationship. I do not want to have to deal with conversion and believe that should be the responsibility of the advertiser. Granted, I can see the posibility of making more money since commisions on bringing a qualified lead and have that lead close in my business is usually hundreds if not thousands of dollars. It just isn't for me.

I would also dislike having to actually endorse something. The idea of a newspaper comes to mind, where ads are easily identifiable. This is the main reason why I have not changed the default color scheme. Although, any day now I might relax those standards and learn to live with just the "Ads by Google" byline.

Yidaki

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Msg#: 764 posted 5:43 pm on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

Re: click simulation hints
curl interpretes javascript ...?

joeldg

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 764 posted 5:52 pm on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)


Re: click simulation hints
curl interpretes javascript ...?

no it does not interpret anything (see curl.haxx.se), but the remote javascript is easy to pull and parse. very easy actually..

It is a very powerful tool for getting url's and to mimic browsers to the point that there is no way you could tell it was not an actual browser unless you utilized some sort of captcha (type in letters displayed in picture etc..).

Anyway, I have a lot of examples
cheers

[edited by: engine at 7:12 pm (utc) on Oct. 6, 2003]
[edit reason] No urls, thanks. See TOS [webmasterworld.com] [/edit]

aravindgp

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Msg#: 764 posted 8:22 am on Oct 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Eric, Justageek, JAG :)

I was checking your posts , they all make lot of sense as Loanuniverse says.

Especially your knowledge on taking adsense to the next level and other alternatives available are good points.

Perhaps we can start over again looking at what other features make adsense more efficient and useful.

I don't think you should go since this topic would be the worse without people like you.

Yes I personally think this topic is enriched by people like you.

Maybe you can guide us in the right direction in identifing those :)

Adsense is evolving , like my genetic algorithms :),it all depends on fitness function to get the right combination of things, hence I assume that if we can suggest few more points as fitness measure for adsense, it will evolve into more efficient model.

If somebody suggested adsense is perfect in it's current form no it's not,it's got to evovle.

Fitness measure :

1.Geo-trageting, (europevisitors I think it does make sense to include this feature, if not already implemented.)For a travel site this feature is not workable.Since a travel site wants it add to appear worldwide it's travel.

I am sure there will be one within a couple of years as the whole sector wakes up to the kind of money that Google will be pulling in.

2.Same wait here, there will be lot more people interested in this work.

Ps:
joeldg, it's amazing that you have built tagword.com,congratulations on that :).Joeldg, yes it's perhaps easy for you to setup multiple ip's and keywords.However it's important to note that I can easily write algo to check this.It's not that difficult to counter such automated stuff.Since the strength I have is the ad copy creative, which I think you will agree is tough to sense and be automatically clicked.
Please can you sticky me any specific example which does this.

europeforvisitors



 
Msg#: 764 posted 12:35 pm on Oct 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

1.Geo-trageting, (europevisitors I think it does make sense to include this feature, if not already implemented.)For a travel site this feature is not workable.Since a travel site wants it add to appear worldwide it's travel.

AdSense already has geotargeting, doesn't it? IMHO, geotargeting is both workable and necessary, even for travel sites. The owner of a hotel barge in Burgundy may find it worthwhile to market cruises internationally (so it can bypass the middlemen who typically sell barge cruises), but the owner of a so-called "barge-cruising line" (really an agency) in the U.S. may not want to get clicks from overseas visitors because (a) it isn't in a position to serve them efficiently and (b) its agreement with the barge owner(s) may not authorize it to handle bookings outside the U.S.

IMHO, Google needs to give advertisers more flexibility and control than they have now. Geotargeting is a good start, but advertisers also need the ability to include or exclude advertising venues by domain--just as publishers can exclude advertisers by domain. (If I were selling tanks of nitrous oxide to dentists and whipped-cream manufacturers, I certainly wouldn't want my ads appearing on rave and party sites!)

aravindgp

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 764 posted 12:56 pm on Oct 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Domain gives too much control.

Hence I think alternatively, Category is good.

For this adsense displaying sites need to categorized accordingly.

This also controls, fraud, like q=keyword thingy.If I have a site about travel, I certainly shouldn't be displaying auto accident lawsuit keywords.

If google already categorizes adsense sites, then I think it makes lot more sense to give category access to advertiser.He can choose for what category of sites his adword can appear.

Do you think it is workable?

loanuniverse

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Msg#: 764 posted 1:16 pm on Oct 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Domain would be great on the part of advertisers, but I don't think is workable. Category is best. Make all the publishers select a:

Primary
Category->Topic->Subtopic

Secondary
Category->Topic->Subtopic

Remember that there might be some people interested in Run Of Network runs anyway.

Frankly, I wouldn't mind since there are very few sites in my categories that are truly content sites or that even run ads, but I can see how some several all-purpose sites would be negatively impacted as some advertisers would concentrate on niches.

europeforvisitors



 
Msg#: 764 posted 3:20 pm on Oct 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

If google already categorizes adsense sites, then I think it makes lot more sense to give category access to advertiser. He can choose for what category of sites his adword can appear.

Google doesn't categorize AdSense sites, and doing so would require a lot of work. It would also require some tough decisions, such as:

1) How would categories be defined? Take something as simple as travel > cruising. Should it include only editorial sites, or should it include community and e-commerce sites as well?

2) How would categorization by site fit in with AdSense's basic concept, which is targeting by individual page? Take an article at my site (a European travel site) on barge cruises in Burgundy. My site would probably fall into a category like travel > destinations > europe, my article might then fall into a category like travel > destinations > europe > france, while barge cruising might fall under a heading like travel > cruising. Is it realistic to expect an advertiser (or Google) to figure out all the categories where an ad might fit and choose the appropriate options?

IMHO, include/exclude domain filters would be more scaleable and easier to implement (they're already implemented on the publisher side), and they would have advantages besides simplicity:

1) Less picky advertisers could simply let Google do the matching, as it does now.

2) Advertisers who didn't want their ads appearing on certain sites (or certain types of sites) would have the ability to create "exclude" lists as publishers do now.

3) Advertisers who were skeptical of Google's across-the-board matching could handpick the sites where they wanted their ads to appear. This would bring more advertisers into the network, and it would encourage publishers to make Google their exclusive or primary sales channel for advertising.

joeldg

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 764 posted 4:23 am on Oct 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

I know that aravindgp would be interested and not sure if it would be welcome (or wise) to post code that does exactly what I posted about earlier in this forum.

If anyone is interested in seeing exactly how this could and currently can be done. I could post the code here, albeit, perhaps, modified to not allow the script kiddies to use?

Ideas?

Mauricio



 
Msg#: 764 posted 6:53 am on Oct 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Afther read this tread I must supose that others ad networks (more old, more enemies) are even collapsed by this kind of fraudulent clicks. It's so easy...

Yidaki

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 764 posted 7:48 am on Oct 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

>I could post the code here, ...

Please don't! We all know that many things are possible - the damage could increase though if we give a how to guide ...

marcs

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 764 posted 4:30 am on Nov 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

Read an article the other day about some Polish hacker group offering "invisible hosting" to spammers.

They claim to have 450K zombie machines under their control. If these types of organized criminals get involved in ad fraud...

Blocking IP's would not longer be an option as I'm sure the number of infected machines goes up every minute or second even.

aravindgp

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 764 posted 5:43 pm on Nov 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Organized crime at the technological front is greater risk.It can potentially kill internet marketing if allowed scot free.

I somehow sense there is big danger of pay per click model being effected it's so beautifull now but in time these invisible hosting thingy can completely wipe out the trust on Search engine marketing as a whole.

Aravind

androidtech

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Msg#: 764 posted 7:09 pm on Nov 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

The other alternative nobody wants to talk about but could easily come about is the virtual elimination (as much as possible) of anonymity on the Internet. Here's an ugly but possible scenario:

Internet II (or perhaps III) is release with a completely revamped infrastructure. All the hardware, including routers and even optical switches, no longer allow anonymous or unregistered connections. In addition replacement protocols are put in place to close most of the security holes. This includes protocols like the Border Gateway Protocol (BGP) and even low-level transport layers like Ethernet. _Every_ transaction and packet carries one or more "author" records and there is a massive terabyte capable auditing system in place to build an analyze in real-time the audit trails.

Microsoft finally pushes out it's Palladium security measure with all new PC's having an ID chip and associated O/S and hardware locking protection (remember the PIII?) What about Linux and Mac? If they don't get in line and license Paladium or provide their own Paladium compatible initiatives, their users don't get access to Internet II.

No one complains at first because you still have access to Internet I so you're not "being forced" to comply. This is how these draconian scenarios always sneak in. But in a few years not having access to Internet II will be as crippling to business and individuals as not having access to Internet I is now.

To get access to the Internet II you have to use an "approved" biometric access device, retina scan, thumbprint, or some combination of these or other technologies connected to a Palladium enforced PC. Your ISP interconnects with the International Access Point Security database to make sure your biometric profile is updated, current, and with no violations.

All Internet activity, including connection attempts and file transfers are logged and audited.

Will there still be Internet crime and fraud? Of course. We will end up with a scenario just like the state of the Credit Card system now, except Identity Theft could be more than twice the nightmare it is now.

However, the ability to do Internet crime and fraud will be reduced to the truly technically advanced wiping the vast majority of the "casual crooks" out of the game. Increasing the security for the majority of people but making life absolutely miserable for the smaller percentage that fall victims to Identity Theft.

Do I like or even recommend this scenario? That is a big fat "no". But I can easily see this as one direction things could go.

BTW, anyone who thinks this would never happen because it is too extreme is conveniently forgetting the post 9-11 cavity searches at airports and the jailing of more than a handful of young hackers for purely computer based crimes. In addition, there still is a strong movement in the U.S. for a national ID card and database and there already is a coded "threat level" database in place for airport travelers.

thx

Richmond8

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 764 posted 7:29 pm on Nov 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

I just thought I would roll in and ask a quick question.

I think everyone here thinks that adsense is here to stay. I have heard a lot of talk about fraudulent clicks etc. But I have also heard that adsense, from an advertisers perspective, stinks. Apparently, the clicks rarely convert into any sort of valuable traffic.

So my question is this. How can adsense survive once all the advertisers pull out because it just doesn't make sense for them?

europeforvisitors



 
Msg#: 764 posted 9:24 pm on Nov 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

But I have also heard that adsense, from an advertisers perspective, stinks. Apparently, the clicks rarely convert into any sort of valuable traffic.

I've been seeing many of the same ads on my site since June, so my advertisers must be gluttons for punishment. I'm also seeing new (and bigger-name) advertisers, including several of the monster online travel agencies, bargain airfare sites, and a major airline. Apparently they aren't hearing the same rumors that you're hearing. :-)

So my question is this. How can adsense survive once all the advertisers pull out because it just doesn't make sense for them?

It can't, but they aren't, so the question is academic.

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