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Traffic question. - Yahoo Messenger generated traffic?
is Y! - IM traffic valid? or it conflicts with TOS?
Sobriquet




msg:1329736
 12:51 pm on Jun 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Using my yahoo messenger, i yesterday saw someone sending me a user friendly message with a link that seemed of my use. It said " Want to increase your bank balance - Click to .. somesitenamesjkdfhkf.com .

Clicking it led me to a moneymaking site with AdSense adverts, well blended with content. The site had nice content too.

Now, I guess this user may be using some automated BOT system for sending a message to everyone.

Is this valid? What do you all think? Is there any conflict with AdSense TOS anywhere?

 

Zygoot




msg:1329737
 1:18 pm on Jun 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

No, mass IM spam is nog allowed.

sirkei




msg:1329738
 6:45 pm on Jun 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think it is allowed because that webmaster is generating traffic through IM spamming. So it is a different case. The TOS of adsense does not say how you get your traffic. As long as the adsense code is at a website, i think it is fine.

send2paul




msg:1329739
 6:54 pm on Jun 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

That's quite interesting.

Putting a link in your email signature is one thing - but spamming in your IM messages - very clever :)

jomaxx




msg:1329740
 6:55 pm on Jun 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

I can't imagine that Google would allow spammers to promote AdSense under any circumstances.

ann




msg:1329741
 6:58 pm on Jun 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

I don't beleive it is allowed as you cannot use it email sooooo, isn't that a type of email?

Ann

send2paul




msg:1329742
 7:01 pm on Jun 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

You can't have your website address in your email signature just because the website contains Google Adsense? Shurely shome mishtake?

sirkei




msg:1329743
 7:19 pm on Jun 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yes, i guess it is one kind of email but it makes sense to put web address in your email signature. That webmaster only puts web address using IM to promote his or her site. The adsense code is NOT in the IM. So i guess it complies with the TOS.

jomaxx




msg:1329744
 9:36 pm on Jun 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

This stuff about whether the AdSense code is in the IM or in the body of the email is irrelevant.

You can obviously put your site's URL in an email, but I guarantee you that sending millions of spam emails will get you kicked out of the program. Does anybody really think Google would stand for that?

Same with IM: If someone asks for your homepage, then you can obviously message it to them. But if Google determines that you are sending mass unsolicited IM's then they will can you.

send2paul




msg:1329745
 11:38 pm on Jun 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

I wasn't thinking of sending millions of spam email - just having it as a signature in my business email.

Sobriquet




msg:1329746
 3:13 am on Jun 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

Guess we need googleguy or jenstar to comment on this ... Please.

kokaroach




msg:1329747
 3:35 am on Jun 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

Guys/Gals, this one should be a no-brainer.

Do you really want your site associated with spam?

If you email someone and leav your url in a sig, that's normal. It's business.

In an IM, I'd think it was the ultimate in tackiness and would never click.

If the url is sent out via IM en masse` it's spam.

K

jomaxx




msg:1329748
 5:10 am on Jun 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

Sobriquet, why do you specifically need an answer so badly? Is it because you thought this IM spam thing was a pretty neat idea and you want to try it for yourself?

If that's the case, you can either (a) give it a try and let us know how long it takes you to lose your Internet access, your web host and your AdSense account, or (b) write Google and ask them directly.

incrediBILL




msg:1329749
 6:41 am on Jun 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm wondering if the majority of the population has been demagnetized as most moral compasses seem to be broken.

send2paul




msg:1329750
 7:20 am on Jun 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

IncreiBill - is this why I keep ending up in all these dodgey bars - because my moral compass has broken? ;)

kiladen




msg:1329751
 7:56 am on Jun 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

I hate how people bring morals in a question about IM MESSAGING. What the hell does that have to do with morals. That is a legitimate question (answer is most likely that you can't). If it was to be allowed, that would be a great way to make a LOT of money from adsense, after all, you are sending traffic out from your sites(very untargetted, but I'm sure not much worse than half of the sites running adsense).

If you want morals, then be like Mother Teresa, become a nun and devote your life to helping others. SENDING IM MESSAGES TO MAKE MONEY IS NOT IMMORAL! How is it different than any other advertising, such as mail to your door, or a tv commercial? Sure they are annoying, but get real it is not immoral. Are you gonna tell me all telemarketers are immoral because they call your house when you are eating dinner? GET A LIFE! People are just trying to survive (especially third world country publishers) and make a living, just like you.

Leave morality to issues like abortion and pre-marital sex. Online advertising , be it by emails or IM's, is not immoral just because it is the most cost effective method(you are not hurting anyone, no different than other forms of advertising).

send2paul




msg:1329752
 8:40 am on Jun 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

FYI - Mother Teresa's email address: post@motherteresacause.info ;)

ronin




msg:1329753
 1:53 pm on Jun 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

Kiladen, wasting other people's time with unsolicited rubbish is socially irresponsible, unnecessarily intrusive and unwelcome in civilised society. It's not quite immoral, I agree, but it's certainly unethical.

One IM once a day is an irritant. Having to delete twenty junk IMs every ten minutes could bring a small business to a standstill.

People are just trying to survive

This is an argument which justifies the employment of contract killers and crack dealers.

There is a fundamental difference between advertising which accompanies a service (TV advertising, Radio advertising, AdSense on websites etc.) and advertising which intrudes on whatever else you were doing (door-to-door sales, unsolicited phone calls, text messages, emails or IM).

Sobriquet




msg:1329754
 2:41 pm on Jun 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

why do you specifically need an answer so badly? Is it because you thought this IM spam thing was a pretty neat idea and you want to try it for yourself?

lol. Nah ... my main site is about food. Nobody on chat is interested in food. lol .

--

Coming to the another point. With Google soon launching the CPM model, such spam would really be harmful in long run. On daily basis, millions of fake impressions can be generated, just by showing the page with adsense... what do you think?

incrediBILL




msg:1329755
 5:04 pm on Jun 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

I hate how people bring morals in a question about IM MESSAGING.

Then don't read it.

I'm pretty sure it wasn't about sending a single IM, the question was about SPAMMING so whether it's IM, EMAIL, or whatever the spammers definitely are in violation of AdSense TOS.

You either do things the right way with AdSense or you don't! It's getting tedious how daily people are looking for new ways to scam the system doing questionable things just because the AdSense TOS doesn't define something.

There was a thread the other day about putting AdSense in your signature on a forum, I mean come on....

kokaroach




msg:1329756
 5:10 pm on Jun 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

Kiladen,

Go ahead, spam away. Your warped logic and dirty tactics is just making honest publishers like Bill and I look better.

K

incrediBILL




msg:1329757
 8:20 pm on Jun 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

SENDING IM MESSAGES TO MAKE MONEY IS NOT IMMORAL!

Do you even know what immoral is?

The simple definitions are:

Contrary to established moral principles, violating principles of right and wrong

Harassing innocent people using Yahoo IM is wrong wouldn't you say?

It's violating peoples rights to use the internet with being hassled and harassed by morons and idiots. People have the right to use an email account, instant messaging and <gasp> even a telephone with being bombarded by every little weasel trying to make a quick buck annoying the hell out of people.

Harrassing people is just wrong, call it whatever you like that let's you sleep at night, I'll call it immoral.

Sobriquet




msg:1329758
 3:43 am on Jun 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

spam messaging, like email spam , is a sick think.
Automated bots, disguised as people, for this are making it even worse.

I see that in coming times, this would be a bigger threat than email spam itself.

What surprises me is the silence of google in TOS about this.

Does it consider a non-existant? or it thinks its ok?

jomaxx




msg:1329759
 5:42 am on Jun 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

You're right that they do not state in plain English that spam is prohibited (the word "spam" appears in the Program Policies, but that's in reference to search engine spamming which is quite different from email spamming).

Nonetheless there is no need to keep asking whether Google disapproves of spam. There absolutely is no question it is a violation of the agreement and that you could get banned for it.

I suppose they feel it goes without saying, but at the very least it would be covered in section 5 of the TOS document, where it states that you may not... "engage in any action or practice that reflects poorly on Google or otherwise disparages or devalues Google’s reputation or goodwill."

badtigger




msg:1329760
 7:58 am on Jun 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think it is simple as to why so many people are looking for easy ways to get as much out of the program as possible, as we see in this and similar threads lately:

There seems to be more and more cheapskate advertisers out there. If only we publishers had a way to filter out the cheapies and their bloody 3 cent clicks, then people wouldnt get wild ideas.

Sobriquet




msg:1329761
 11:44 am on Jun 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

If only we publishers had a way to filter out the cheapies and their bloody 3 cent clicks, then people wouldnt get wild ideas.

I Agree - 10000% percent

kokaroach




msg:1329762
 2:36 pm on Jun 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

The 3 cent clicks are a result, in part at least, of the junk sites out there. Most serious advertisers place their ads on search only because of poor quality sites and resulting traffic, click fraud, etc., leaving the content network as a source of cheapo traffic for everyone else.

In the real estate market, when there's a big supply and no demand, prices drop. It's no different with web real estate.

K

dutch_dude




msg:1329763
 4:17 am on Jun 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

The 3 cent clicks are a result, in part at least, of the junk sites out there

Indeed, about time google finally realizes this and kicks the scrapers. And while I make a nice buck on Adsense I sure won't advertise on content until general quality of the publishers is increased.

It is such a shame.. when Adsense just started it was a sign of quality if I saw Adsense ads on a site. Now I associate it with scraper and spam sites.

If this continues I will get rid of Adsense on my sites.

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