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rbacal



 
Msg#: 7083 posted 2:53 am on Jun 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

I just came across a very strange situation. Let's say we have a page with some links on it. When the visitor clicks on the link it opens into a frameset. The header/top of the frame simply contains the option to remove the frame, or return back to our site. That's it.

(like many simple frame arrangements - even google caching)

Now someone is suggesting that when he clicks on a link that happens to go to his site, he's seeing adsense ads that are relevant to my site, and contain MY adsense ID. He's not yelling and screaming, just curious (quite a patient person, yes?), but it's disturbing to me because we aren't doing anything to create this -- it would be hijacking and we don't do it, (don't know how either).

So, the only explanation I can figure is that either his browser is caching, or the server is caching, or adsense is doing something strange.

I've just contacted the person, and that's all the info I have right now. So, is this probably a caching problem assuming his observations are accurate?

addition edit: I did manage to replicate the problem. This appears to be a targetting problem, where something is being carried over from the frame that is affecting targeting on his site. This DEFINITELY SHOULDN'T BE HAPPENING. Unless they've done something odd in their algo's recently.

 

wheelie34

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Msg#: 7083 posted 8:59 am on Jun 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

might be a lot of work for you, but IMHO dump the frameset and build flat pages, much better for seo and adsense

hunderdown

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Msg#: 7083 posted 2:04 pm on Jun 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

I agree--it's probably something to do with the frames.

Petrocelli

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Msg#: 7083 posted 3:12 pm on Jun 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Are you really sure that it's YOUR adsense ID on his site?

Sobriquet

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Msg#: 7083 posted 3:15 pm on Jun 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

If you are using frames, then, are you sure u selected the framed pages option while making the adsense code?

thats important.

sailorjwd

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Msg#: 7083 posted 3:35 pm on Jun 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

I suspect it is browser cache.

I switched adsense accounts a month ago and still am getting a few impressions/clicks on the old account after 4 weeks.

rbacal



 
Msg#: 7083 posted 6:29 pm on Jun 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

It's not MY ad ad account that is showing up on his pages, althought that's what he thought initially. And we have no adsense code used on any of the frameset/frames at all, so our code doesn't enter into it.

It appears the frame is SOMETIMES somehow messing up his targeting when the visitor goes from my site to his. He still gets the money, but the ads aren't targeted properly. It's not a financial issue but an ethical concern that I (coupled with what I'm betting is an adense targeting bug of some sort) is negatively affecting someone else's site (albeit in a minor transitory way). But apart from that it's just plain weird, seems to have no particular pattern, happens with one or two of his pages and not on others.

I'll look at removing the frame, actually, which will mean a bit of recoding. I like it there to allow people to go back easily to my site, or break the frame and go to the linked to site, AND, I use the frame to have counter tracking codes for stats. I'd like to keep the stats.

jimbeetle

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Msg#: 7083 posted 6:51 pm on Jun 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

rbacal,

The problem lies in that you are framing his page.

Adsense has specific code for webmasters to use when used on a framed page on their own site to correctly target ads; this forces Adsense to use the content page, not the frameset to generate the ad blocks. Since he does not have the frameset option set in his Adsense code, nor does he need it, when his page shows in your frame, Adsense is using the frameset URL (yours) to generate the ad blocks.

We would all like visitors to easily come back to our site after clicking an external link. Framing another persons page is not, let's say, a (ahem) generally accepted way to achieve that. Besides the problem with Adsense that surfaced, there can be problems with scripts, certificates, privacy policies, etc.

As for stats, there are many simple click tracking scripts you can use that will have no impact at all on your fellow web folks.

rbacal



 
Msg#: 7083 posted 7:50 pm on Jun 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Thanks Jim.


The problem lies in that you are framing his page.

Adsense has specific code for webmasters to use when used on a framed page on their own site to correctly target ads; this forces Adsense to use the content page, not the frameset to generate the ad blocks. Since he does not have the frameset option set in his Adsense code, nor does he need it, when his page shows in your frame, Adsense is using the frameset URL (yours) to generate the ad blocks.


Have you any thoughts on why the problem would be intermittant, and affect different pages of his differently? I'd have though that if things are happening as you describe them, that it would be consistent across his pages if they are all framed in the same way. And that it would occur across all sites we link to (which it doesn't, I don't think, although I haven't checked recently).

If I can be absolutely sure this is what is happening it makes the decision to remove all the frames much easier, and justifies the time to do so. Since I'm not a programmer and the frame is invoked through perl, it's going to be a bit of a challenge to change (doable, but just a challenge).

Petrocelli

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Msg#: 7083 posted 8:32 am on Jun 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Glad to hear that it wasn't your adsense ID on the other site. That would have been a wide field for adsense fraud otherwise ... :)

I second Jim, in your case it's frames that confuse adsense.

On one site of mine all content pages formerly where framed by index.html. When clicking a link on a "blue widgets" content page to a "red widgets" page, Adsense would show ads for "blue widgets" there. So I decided to get rid of the frame and I am now seeing ads matching the content perfectly.

Peter

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