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Quitting a job for Adsense
beer234

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Msg#: 6825 posted 8:42 pm on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

For those that may be contemplating quitting a steady job and relying on Adsense let me relay a brief story. I've been an adsense publisher since last year at this time and through alot of hard work churning out content I managed to turn Adsense from a few dollars to enough that my wife could quit a crappy job. By this I mean maybe a mid 30's income. Because of all the hard work and content in all directions i've been fortunate to weather various smartpricing and google updates etc pretty well. I knew each month I was making less per click but had additional content and increased traffic to absorb it and keep moving ahead. In the last two days my traffic has been cut in half due to the latest Google update. Now i'm where I was nine months ago income wise and can only double my efforts and explore other things, popups affiliates to try and climb the ladder again. This post isn't to bash Google, its more to drill home that anything can happen at any time. I'm hopeful that in the next update my hundreds of pages will climb back to page one in Google but for now so many are relagated to page three that they may as well not exist at all. Bottom line, i'm glad I never quit my day job.

 

nanotopia

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Msg#: 6825 posted 9:04 pm on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

What did Google do in the last few days that hurt your revenue? Do you mean they updated their search results, or did something in how they serve ads?

Please be more specific.

StephenBauer

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Msg#: 6825 posted 9:11 pm on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Some are reporting a "minor shuffle" in the G resulsts.

Some are also reporting (temporary to some) pagerank shifts to before the last large update (and those reporting temporary see it bounce back a bit later).

I dropped a PR point for a few hours yesterday myself. Back to normal now.

beer234

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 6825 posted 9:36 pm on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

No change in adsense ads or CPM or even conversion. Simply a matter of hundreds of my pages going from 1-6 position to 20+ position. Now time to redouble, add more content plus start getting links. I have to confess to basically resting on my laurels when it comes to linking. I put 100% of my effort in content creation and got lucky in that I always ranked high naturally. Now maybe I can put more effort into developing links and get those same pages to rise. Anyone interested in link exchanges please sticky me, i've got all categories and suprisingly good PR considering where my pages ended up.

nanotopia

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 6825 posted 9:36 pm on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hrrmmm, it does sound like you've done something to lower your ranking (even if it was inadvertent). That definitely sucks. However, it still seems weird that you would drop so low, so quickly. Are you sure that you haven't been doing any poor practices, like using content that is also used by many other websites? In other words, how unique is your content?

Again, it just seems strange that your ranking would go so low, so quickly, without a reason for it.

ken_b

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Msg#: 6825 posted 10:07 pm on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

No change in adsense ads or CPM or even conversion. Simply a matter of hundreds of my pages going from 1-6 position to 20+ position.

With real recent changes in the serps, I wouldn't worry for a few days, maybe even a week or two.

That sort of thing has happened to me a few times, and my ranking has often returned by the time the update ends. But it can be nerve racking.

During an update of any kind is not the time to start fiddling around with anything. Updates, even minor ones, are just too fluid, you need to let them settle out before deciding what to do next.

But quiting a paying job and relying on Adsense income is a pretty risky thing to do if you need the money to live on.

It would be better to develop a group of other income streams from your site, like affiliates, independant ad income, etc, before dumping the day job.

That way if any one of them goes belly up you're not out panhandling for breakfast money the next morning.

woodrow222

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Msg#: 6825 posted 10:21 pm on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Anyone interested in link exchanges please sticky me, i've got all categories and suprisingly good PR considering where my pages ended up.

As far as i understand, reciprical links are now discounted and will no longer boost your positions. Only natural one way inbound links are counted now.

spaceylacie

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Msg#: 6825 posted 10:24 pm on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

I quit my job for Adsense, but I don't rely on Google or any other one source for visitors. That would be too scary.

arubicus

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 6825 posted 10:44 pm on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

"But quiting a paying job and relying on Adsense income is a pretty risky thing to do if you need the money to live on."

Just having a job and relying on the income is also a risky thing to do.

But you are correct -

"It would be better to develop a group of other income streams from your site, like affiliates, independant ad income, etc, before dumping the day job."

Also look for external income sources - stocks, mutual funds, real estate, etc. Get as much money to work for you as possible.

Also lower the risk by relying less on an income. In other words choose a lifestyle that does not eat up your income from month to month. In other words no debt. No credit card debt, no house payment, no car payment, no loans, etc. Just the basics - food, water, gas, electric, insurance, clothing...

Save 6 months to 1 year of income just in case. Give yourself some room to recover/find a job if something happens.

spaceylacie

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Msg#: 6825 posted 10:47 pm on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

"Just the basics - food, water, gas, electric, insurance, clothing... "

Yikes, that sounds scary too! What about beer?

IanTurner

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Msg#: 6825 posted 10:51 pm on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Its amazing how little you can actually live on if it really means anything to you.

Without a 'job' you are living by your own skills, making your own money and living your own life. The benefits of which vastly outweigh the downturns when you are not earning what you would have done working for someone else.

If you actually thought that being self-employed on adsense/affiliate income was going to be a walk in the park then you were definitely looking at things through rose coloured spectacles.

IanTurner

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Msg#: 6825 posted 10:55 pm on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

What about beer?

Its quite cheap to brew :)

And wine can be made with stuff from your garden plus about three pounds of sugar. Costs $2/gallon at most.

arubicus

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 6825 posted 11:03 pm on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

If something happens can you cut beer from your budget? Yep

If something happens can you cut the house payment? Nope

The trick is to live really humble why you set yourself up with savings and investments. It is a hell of a step but worth it in the end.

arubicus

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 6825 posted 11:09 pm on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

"If you actually thought that being self-employed on adsense/affiliate income was going to be a walk in the park then you were definitely looking at things through rose coloured spectacles. "

So true. But it is a walk in the park if you don't really NEED the money.

As far as brewing beer and making wine, that takes me back to some fun days of making mead (honey brew).

Dabu The Dragon

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 6825 posted 11:27 pm on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

beer234

My heart goes out to you bro. I went thru the exact same thing during the last G updates. Fortunately my income as a contracted webmaster helps big time.

Try not to let it get you down too much. You said it yourself, that you didn't pay much attention to link exchange. So just correct that one thing and keep building and learning. You'll be fine. Don't forget about MSN, AV and others. They send great traffic as well.

Broadway

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Msg#: 6825 posted 11:28 pm on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

"Living the Adsense life" is a strange phenomenon. It's full of contradictions.

I could easily live off my Adsense income yet since my Adsense income could be lost at any time I don't feel I can quit my job.

Since I therefore have two jobs (Adsense and my regular job) I have disposible income at a level I didn't have before. I've paid off some debt years before I ever imagined I could. Adsense really has enhanced my life.

At the same time even though I'm in this great situation (enjoy my website work and generate income from it) since there is always the potential for an Adsense "fraudulent clicks" problem (from others both well meaning and hateful) I pretty much keep my mouth shut to others about these great things in my life.

It's like I have two lives.

Swebbie

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 6825 posted 11:29 pm on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

As far as i understand, reciprical links are now discounted and will no longer boost your positions. Only natural one way inbound links are counted now.

I don't believe this is true. If anything, G now puts less weight on recips and more on one-ways, but it still seems to be that recips help a bit. I think the links that now mean almost nothing in terms of helping your rankings are recip links between unrelated pages (like an exchange between real estate and truck parts sites). Of course, one-ways from closely related pages will always be ideal, but seriously, other than directories and the few true authority sites out there, how realistic is that? G knows it, too. Every time I exchange links with a closely related site, it always helps my rankings... never hurts.

spaceylacie

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Msg#: 6825 posted 12:22 am on May 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

I agree, reciprocal linking is still a good idea. Google isn't the only search engine out there.

Teshka

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 6825 posted 7:06 am on May 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

In the last two days my traffic has been cut in half due to the latest Google update. Now i'm where I was nine months ago income wise and can only double my efforts and explore other things, popups affiliates to try and climb the ladder again.

I've had the same thing happen. Went from $250 a day last month to just under $100 today. Google dropped my two biggest sites from #1 in the SERPs to page 2 and 4 respectively. You like to think that when you work hard to create quality information sites, they ought to rank higher than the commercial sites with nothing more than a generic item description and a shopping cart, but alas, not always. Of course, that doesn't mean there won't be shuffles and we'll come back on top with the next update.

There's nothing wrong with quitting your job for this stuff (I did); you just have to be smart about it and pay down your debt first and then sock away enough in savings that you could live a while if you suddenly had your income halved or taken away. That's what people who have real jobs are supposed to do, too... It's a lot less upsetting when you lose your job (or your search engine rankings) when you have investments and 6 months living expenses in the bank.

(Of course, none of this means I'm not going to bust my butt trying to get my income back =)

rfung

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 6825 posted 10:19 am on May 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

I love this Adsense/Affiliate life :)

Im living on about half of what my income is (post tax), and socking away the rest for a rainy day.

I've heard that people in the US save less and less every year, relying instead on credit cards should anything happen, but in our line of business I think that saving should be a cornerstone of your financial habits.

spaceylacie

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 6825 posted 11:41 am on May 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

I quit my job when I was making about double what I needed, when stats dropped in half for a while, I was still fine, now I'm doing better than ever. I felt it back in mid-December, when Google went from sending me over 100,000 visits a month, to under 20,000.

I just tweaked my site to do better in other search engines and worked on getting links(ones that actually send visitors) like crazy. Sites are doing great now, even if Google completely drops me from SERPS, I'll barely feel it since only about 4% of my visitors now come from Google.

rfung

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 6825 posted 11:48 am on May 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

lacie, if 4% of people come from google, then care to detail a bit further where the other 96% come from? surely you must have some big referer or are they evenly spread out?

spaceylacie

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 6825 posted 11:58 am on May 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

Direct entry is my life-line. Bookmark this site, bookmark this site, sign up for the free newsletter, sign up now! Bookmark now!

Yahoo is sending me about twice as many visitors as Google. MSN, ask Jeeves, and a bunch of other small engines also add up.

Also, other people's message boards and a couple I started myself. One very popular board(not mine, one I established a relationship with) is my 3rd highest refferer, behind direct entry and Yahoo.

Links from related sites, 1000s of them. These add up, offer incentives for prominent links, send them hits, they send you hits.

That about covers it.

jason77

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 6825 posted 12:31 pm on May 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

The best idea is to have a job with lots of time and internet connection ;-)

rfung

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 6825 posted 9:30 am on May 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

A "job"? what is this "job" thing you speak of?:)

spaceylacie

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 6825 posted 11:02 am on May 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think it requires leaving the house, if I remember correctly.

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