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Self Clicking Syndrome
Why doesn't Google build a blocker?
peewhy




msg:1355606
 3:38 pm on May 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Almost on a daily basis someone goes into panic mode and posts a confession. "I've clicked on my own adsense"!

Why can't google simply build in a blocker so that it locks 'self clicking'.

They must receive thousands of emails per day from genuinly worried people afraid of being kicked out.

Surely its more cost effective to nip it in the bud rather than place manpower on the job?

 

gamb




msg:1355607
 3:41 pm on May 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

i'm sure there is some amount of "give" built into the system so an alarm is not set off.

I think creating an official "self clicking lock function", telling everyone about it, explaining it and managing it would be 1,000 times more complicated for G.

bobothecat




msg:1355608
 3:43 pm on May 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Why can't google simply build in a blocker so that it locks 'self clicking'.

I would imagine they already do - they just aren't telling.

They must receive thousands of emails per day from genuinly worried people afraid of being kicked out.

This would be the exact reason as to my response above. I'm sure they have some automated way to know, and when someone gets to 'click-happy' - the alert is probably sounded, and a human notified.

All simply theory though. :)

fischermx




msg:1355609
 3:44 pm on May 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Why not put a filter on WebmasterWorld that triggers when "clicked", "own" and "ads or adsense" keywords are in the title and redirect you automatically to the last dozens of similar posts?

BTW, does this place have a FAQ section regarding to each forum topics?

peewhy




msg:1355610
 3:44 pm on May 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Sure, they monitor patterns and overlook one off accidents but how difficult can it be to add a line of code.

What explaining is there?

This link won't work from this IPA.

Jenstar




msg:1355611
 3:45 pm on May 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

I bet it's a good measuring point to see if people are actually reading the terms and policies and abiding by them - maybe after you click your own ads a couple times, it triggers a quality check to make sure you are complying with all the other terms/policies ;)

peewhy




msg:1355612
 3:48 pm on May 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

It seems logical Jenstar, but I don't see why it isn't in place as a cost saving measure if nothing else.

petra




msg:1355613
 3:52 pm on May 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

I don't think there's much cost involved, their response to these confession e-mails are generic.

peewhy




msg:1355614
 3:55 pm on May 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

It still costs wages, they're not autoresponders and I bet they are going 24/7.

How much does it cost for a one line of code?

Compare!

spaceylacie




msg:1355615
 4:02 pm on May 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

How would they possibly do that? Blocking your IP? You are the only computer user in the home? What if you log in using an Internet cafe where everyone has the same IP? Everyone else that uses that cafe is also blocked from clicking your ads? You log in at work, everyone else in your office is also blocked from clicking your ads?

What do you mean, one line of code to prevent this?

StephenBauer




msg:1355616
 4:06 pm on May 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

peewhy:

Why? Because it is not just one line of code from their perspective. They would need to build an interface page (or two) for the feature to enter all your IPs you would like to block (i.e. your own IP(s)).

Some host off of one IP, some host off of many. A few even host off of a dynamic IP (shudder). Not too many people surf from where their site is hosted. Not too many people home host either. Many surf from multiple locations (home, work, school, cafes, etc.). It is for these reasons that a page (or two) would be needed to accept input of the IP(s).

Then when serving the ads, these IP(s) would need to be compared...costing Google precious additional CPU cycles.

One could then argue, even though it would cost them CPU time, it would save human time (from them researching click fraud) and some other things. Saving them money in the long run.

To that I say, Google may have factored all this and decided, given that a majority of the AdSense publisher sites are small and may not be missed if "automagically" booted from the system with what (limited?) heuristics that are in place.

Then again, maybe they have just not gotten around to it yet.

:)

Just add one line of code to your own site(s). It is much easier on the publisher end. On my site, it literally is an "if" statement wrapped around the AdSense generating code (I change the channel ID programmatically within my code based on category). This could be expanded to prevent certain IP(s) later as well.

jomaxx




msg:1355617
 4:49 pm on May 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Thank you Lacie and Stephen. Some people have an exaggerated sense of how easy things are to do. Reliably blocking accidental self-clicks is an impossibility for many reasons related to the way the Web is intrinsically set up, and yet it's supposed to be accomplished with one line of code?

It would be possible for Google to set up some kind of system that could seamlessly filter clicks in 90% or maybe even 98% of situations, but that's practically the definition of a false sense of security.

peewhy




msg:1355618
 6:58 pm on May 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

<one line of code> was a figure of speech, let's not dwell too much on nit picking issues.

I don't under estimate Google's technical resources and dare say that if a couple of years ago I suggested someone creating an online advertising medium based on keywords in text...that too would be picked at.

It would be possible for Google to set up some kind of system that could seamlessly filter clicks in 90% or maybe even 98% of situations, but that's practically the definition of a false sense of security.

98% is better than 0%.

All I am saying is; surely it is more cost effective to place a preventive measure rather than dealing with the thousands upon thousands of confessions...probanly on a daily basis.

StephenBauer




msg:1355619
 7:13 pm on May 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Noted. But you did come across a little naive due to your somewhat spirited, err emotional, questioning of the current system.

That was not meant in any way to be demeaning.

mickeymart




msg:1355620
 7:20 pm on May 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Is it in Googles best interest ($$$) to minimize or maximize clicks?

chopin2256




msg:1355621
 7:33 pm on May 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

They must receive thousands of emails per day from genuinly worried people afraid of being kicked out.

How many adsense publishers does Google have that they would receive that many emails from concerned adsense users?

Lots of people say they receieved $0 for clicks. Wouldn't this mean the system is already implemented?

peewhy




msg:1355622
 7:35 pm on May 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Is it in Googles best interest ($$$) to minimize or maximize clicks?

I would suggest it was in Google's best interest to minimize false, self and fraudulent clicks and maximize client clicks.

jdvjdv




msg:1355623
 8:27 pm on May 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

if google 'allowed' a publisher to click 'once or twice' on their own ads, they would have earned tens of thousands (or more?) dollars more than deleting the account of anyone who does so.

ann




msg:1355624
 8:37 pm on May 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Why not use a utility called host manager to turn off google ads on your own machine so they are not showing? I have heard of it but have not yet done the research....anyone using this?

createErrorMsg




msg:1355625
 8:47 pm on May 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Why can't google simply build in a blocker so that it locks 'self clicking'.

Because we are supposed to have a built-in blocker called "common sense" to prevent us from self-clicking in the first place.

peewhy




msg:1355626
 8:57 pm on May 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Because we are supposed to have a built-in blocker called "common sense" to prevent us from self-clicking in the first place.

Just count the posts in this forum. Common sense doesn't always come in to it. I bought a new laptop, the mouse lingered on a link and the page opened. I didn't click it ... Do I lack common sense?

renee




msg:1355627
 9:29 pm on May 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

why don't you install your own blocker. Fairly easy to do with PHP. simply detect your ip (REMOTE_ADDRESS) and if so, do not show the google ads or disable it's onclick.

larryhatch




msg:1355628
 9:45 pm on May 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Sounds like there is an unfilled need here:

A SIMPLE easy-to-install and effective way that publishers can DISABLE clicking on their own
adsense ads. It would only apply to the computers that install it.
No more click happy kids/visitors at home nor accidental clicks at the office.
Others in same office (different computers) could still click thru. Am I missing something? -Larry

spaceylacie




msg:1355629
 10:07 pm on May 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Nope, that about covers it, Larry.

Personally though, I don't worry about an occasional accidental click. If they want to hassle me over mere pennies compared to the thousands my site has made for them of the months, well, it's just not something I worry about.

peewhy




msg:1355630
 6:00 am on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

why don't you install your own blocker. Fairly easy to do with PHP. simply detect your ip (REMOTE_ADDRESS) and if so, do not show the google ads or disable it's onclick.

Could be the illusive one line of code?

It certainly sounds like a solution!

peewhy




msg:1355631
 6:02 am on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

A SIMPLE easy-to-install and effective way that publishers can DISABLE clicking on their own
adsense ads. It would only apply to the computers that install it.
No more click happy kids/visitors at home nor accidental clicks at the office.

Is it really as impossible as some would have us believe?

larryhatch




msg:1355632
 6:32 am on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm thinking of a very short simple little APP that any publisher could install in 1 minute.

It would require a keyword to change settings. Settings would enable/disable clicking on
Adsense ads, yours and/or anyone else's, and any number of them.
It might even count attempts to click on blocked ads, along with DATE/TIME clicked,
to help the publisher see who's doing it (wife, kids, visitors, the dog ..)

Its childs play for G to write the code. If they won't, somebody else could.
I'd say its worth $25 per copy, cheap insurance against being kicked out of adsense.

The program might be set up to work on one machine per copy only, to avoid piracy.
(Each machine has a fingerprint of sorts, a combination of hardware type-codes ..)

A nice little project for somebody out there with a little spare time. - Larry

peewhy




msg:1355633
 7:05 am on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

Google, have you got your ears on?

Jenstar




msg:1355634
 7:30 am on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

Blocking IPs through the AdSense control panel is one of the perks for Premium partners, probably so acounts can ban corporate IPs for some of the major companies running AdSense.

However, many regular publishers aren't as well versed in IPs, particularly dynamic ones. An AOL'er could block what he thinks is his IP, then happily click away on his ads thinking none would be counted because they would know it was him, when in reality he would be fraudulently clicking.

Then imagine all the support requests the AdSense team would get. "How do I find my IP?" "How do I know if my IP has changed?" "How do I know the IP address of my sister who lives on the other side of the country but does help me sometimes on my website?". I sure wouldn't want to be the support team member in charge of getting all those IPs for Dummies questions ;)

For some people, all about IPs is basic stuff. But there are plenty of publishers out there who not only don't know what their IP address is, but probably haven't even heard the term used before. It could quickly become a nightmare when all those "what is an IP" people see the option added in their account and flood support for help.

Of course, we have often seen Premium perks float down to the regular publisher level, so you never know.

peewhy




msg:1355635
 8:04 am on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

If support was the major stumbling block, perhaps a comprehensive instruction with 'no physical' support and a link to an IP tracker would would help.

The caveat would be, 'you are still responsible for false clicks'. At least it would reduce a vast number.

There is a darker side for the conspiracy theorists ... and I am not saying this happens, but someone will! There may be profit in the 'odd, one off accidental clicks' because the commission is deducted and may be the advertiser is unaware of the error margins. Not my theory Google!

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