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relocating to the Bahamas
renee




msg:1419740
 7:16 pm on May 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm thinking of relocating to the Bahamas and do my adsense business from there. I'm looking for feedback from webmasters doing adsense from there.

- are you able to do EFT?
- do you receive your checks in US$? if so, how long does it usually take to get there? any bank deposit issues?

- do you host your sites locally (in the babahas) or is hosting in the US OK?
- what are the US Tax issues?

Thanks

 

OptiRex




msg:1419741
 8:42 pm on May 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

Need anyone to carry your bags?

mrfragger




msg:1419742
 8:46 pm on May 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

try Nevada...no state income tax.
If you make a decent chunk there is a US tax law that prohibits one from moving to cayman, etc. to avoid large tax. So if you ever stepped foot by in the U.S. they'd probably arrest you.
Google for "Offshore Avoidance of US Income Taxation"
Is giving up U.S. citizenship worth it? To me it's not even if it was hundreds of millions.

OptiRex




msg:1419743
 8:57 pm on May 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

Is giving up U.S. citizenship worth it?

You're joking?

If one moves to the Bahamas to live, work, play and pay tax one would have to give up US citizenship?

There must be millions of US citizens working abroad legally and not paying US tax?

TheDonster




msg:1419744
 10:11 pm on May 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm planning on opening a Cayman business in the fall of this year if my AdSense keeps paying the amounts it has so far. Only $2000 US to incorporate and you can pay someone to run the company for you, you'll never even have to set foot on the island if you so choose, and best of all, no taxes whatsoever! Imagine, the money you earn, you get to keep, all of it - what a concept. Grand Cayman is completely set up to accomodate offshore companies wishing to avoid paying income tax and has over 700 established banks serving an island population of 40,000. Can't imagine why anyone would be averse to incorporating in the Caymans.

walkman




msg:1419745
 10:15 pm on May 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

as long as you're a US citizen every penny you make, even if you make it on Mars, is taxable. It's just a matter of when they catch you.

"I'm planning on opening a Cayman business in the fall of this year if my AdSense keeps paying the amounts it has so far. Only $2000 US to incorporate and you can pay someone to run the company for you, you'll never even have to set foot on the island if you so choose, and best of all, no taxes whatsoever! Imagine, the money you earn, you get to keep, all of it - what a concept. Grand Cayman is completely set up to accomodate offshore companies wishing to avoid paying income tax and has over 700 established banks serving an island population of 40,000. Can't imagine why anyone would be averse to incorporating in the Caymans. "

brickwall




msg:1419746
 11:03 pm on May 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

Just pay your taxes.

Every non-US citizen in the affiliate marketing world probably envies (or at least wishes he is) US citizen affiliates with all your inherent advantages.

Some of us have the best websites to show off but couldn't even register to become an affiliate of merchant X because our country is not listed.

TheDonster




msg:1419747
 11:34 pm on May 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

All citizens are taxed on DECLARED earned income no matter what country you are from by their country of nationality, ex. I'm CDN. But remember, my corporation is not in either Canada or USA. I can only be taxed if I transfer funds into Canada. Cayman Islands, Bahamas etc have no tax structure specifically for offshore corporations. If you plan on spending or transferring money into your country, then of course you are subject to taxes. However, even here there are legal methods around this. Remember, rich people spend very little in taxes every year, and this is legal. Is it moral, well that's up to you I guess. How many CEOs earn $1.00 a year in salary but reap hundreds of millions in benefits or stock options? Lots people have online casino sites based in either Antigua or Turks/Cacos. None pay taxes, all withdraw their funds back into North America, and 99% never pay a dime.

renee




msg:1419748
 12:34 am on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

TheDonster,

I think I know (heard) of the company you're referring to. Please let me know how you fare with them. Does anybody else have any experience with this company?

I just can't see paying more than 100k in taxes!

incrediBILL




msg:1419749
 12:49 am on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm thinking of relocating to the Bahamas

I've been there, it was very pretty, gambled at the casinos, not sure I'd want to stay there as hosting and EFT may be least of your problems.

I would read this first:
[state.gov...]

Then Google around and read some more as I've read more than one story about Americans that get nabbed as the "police occasionally arbitrarily arrest and detain persons" in the Bahamas for whatever reason and they had one hell of a time getting free. I'd also be concerend as Amnesty International claims "one in every 200 Bahamians is in prison" so that's either a pretty high rate of arbitary arrest or the place is running rampant with crime, either way it's alarming.

OptiRex




msg:1419750
 12:58 am on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well all I can say is that I'm glad I'm not a US citizen!

In the UK we have a legal precedence which Law Lord, Lord Clyde said:

"No man in the country is under the smallest obligation, moral or other, so to arrange his legal relations to his business or property as to enable the Inland Revenue to put the largest possible shovel in his stores.

The Inland Revenue is not slow and quite rightly to take every advantage which is open to it under the taxing statutes for the purpose of depleting the taxpayer's pocket. And the taxpayer is in like manner entitled to be astute to prevent, so far as he honestly can, the depletion of his means by the Inland Revenue.

This means we have the right to set up accounts wherever we like the only caveat being that we supposedly must declare those earnings if they are used in the UK.

Note I said "used". This theoretically also includes offshore credit and charge cards however I don't know of anyone being done this way...I'm sure there may have been since this would no doubt come under evasion as opposed to avoidance.

Again, to re-state: there is a big difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion the former is perfectly legal, the latter is against the law, in the UK.

Just for how soon big brother Brussels will try and stop this will depend on many factors which I shall not go into other than say "harmonisation of taxes".

Europeans, you have been warned!

renee




msg:1419751
 1:00 am on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

incrediBILL,

thanks for the very revealing article on the Bahamas. No wonder most people operate their corporations in absentia.

I read somewhere (I'm still verifying) that if you own less than 10% of the stock of a foreign corporation that you do not have to legally declare that as US income. Anybody familiar with this? I do intend to talk to a tax lawyer.

diamondgrl




msg:1419752
 1:15 am on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

incrediBILL,

Sorry to tell you but 1 in 200 Bahamanians in prison is nothing compared to the good old US of A.

The US prison population is greater than 2.1 million. In fact, about 1 in every 8 black males between the ages of 25 and 28 are in prison. The statistics are pretty depressing.

limitup




msg:1419753
 1:32 am on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

Setting up a company offshore is easy. Have your profits deposited into offshore accounts is easy. The hard part is how do you get access to the money to spend it? Sure you can get visa/debit cards etc. and pay for your groceries, etc. with your tax-free money, what about all the rest of it? Unless you are prepared to charter a boat from your offshore country and head back to the US with bags full of cash, and hope you don't get caught, how are you going to get all the money back into the US in order to spend it? That's what I was never able to figure out. The second you do a wire transfer, or write a check from your offshore company to yourself or another US company, etc. there is a paper trail and it's only a matter of time before you get caught, unless you are incredibly lucky. The worst case scenario would be "getting away with it" for awhile, and then 10 or 20 years from now the IRS says that not only do you owe them X in income taxes, but you also owe 3 or 4 times that amount in penalties, interest, etc.

[edited by: limitup at 1:33 am (utc) on May 15, 2005]

walkman




msg:1419754
 1:32 am on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

I bet you guys pay a higher % in taxes than US citizens...

"Well all I can say is that I'm glad I'm not a US citizen!"

renee




msg:1419755
 1:41 am on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

OptiRex,

The same is true for the US. Tax avoidance is legal, tax evasion is not. So exploiting the loopholes in the tax law is legal. A whole industry is dedicated to doing just this. That's why we read that wealthy people pay less to n taxes bexause they can afford to spend the money to exploit the loopholes. Maybe it's more a comparison of how may loopholes there are between the US and Euro countries.

walkman




msg:1419756
 1:42 am on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

even more depressing: 1 in three will be in jail during their lifetime. This means that some communities like LA, Newark, Jersey City, Camden etc., probably have a 50% rate.

****
Lifetime likelihood of going to State or Federal prison:
If recent incarceration rates remain unchanged, an estimated 1 of every 15 persons (6.6%) will serve time in a prison during their lifetime.

Lifetime chances of a person going to prison are higher for
-- men (11.3%) than for women (1.8%)
-- blacks (18.6%) and Hispanics (10%) than for whites (3.4%)

Based on current rates of first incarceration, an estimated 32% of black males will enter State or Federal prison during their lifetime, compared to 17% of Hispanic males and 5.9% of white males.
[ojp.usdoj.gov...]
***********

Once in jail, you're toast here in USA. The jail record will make sure that even if you want to go straight you can't (or it's 100 times harder). No one (decent) will hire you.

"In fact, about 1 in every 8 black males between the ages of 25 and 28 are in prison. The statistics are pretty depressing."

incrediBILL




msg:1419757
 2:16 am on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

I thought this was about the Bahamas, not sure what US prison rates have to do with this topic and the nasty problems with the police and courts in the Bahamas. It was a very nice place to visit, the KFC ad painted on the airport wall was amusing while landing, actually setting foot on the tarmac disembarking was quaint and the seriously armed gaurds mildly disturbing, but I'm not sure I'd want to live there.

renee




msg:1419758
 2:20 am on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

thanks, incrediBILL.

still need to hear from somebody who is actually doing it. Are they afraid to talk about it, maybe?

walkman




msg:1419759
 2:25 am on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

well, most of us have never been to Bahamas or lived there. By comparing it to the US (given the stats you gave), he can have an idea about Bahamas. That's all.

"I thought this was about the Bahamas, not sure what US prison rates have to do with this topic and the nasty problems with the police and courts in the Bahamas."

hyperkik




msg:1419760
 3:12 am on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

I know a guy whose wife sits on the board of a major corporation headquartered in the Bahamas. Every year he and his wife are jetted out for the corporate meeting.

The issue is not whether it is legal to set up a corporation in the Bahamas. It is. The issue is whether you, as a U.S. citizen, are still responsible to pay taxes on your personal income even if derived from a corporation in the Bahamas. You are. The savings come through avoidance of <i>corporate</i> income taxes.

For most people who are earning enough through AdSense to even consider the Bahamas as an option, they should evaluate whether it makes more sense to set up a domestic C corporation, perhaps in their own state or perhaps in Delaware or Nevada, pay themselves a reasonable salary, give yourself fringe benefits, and take an additional annual dividend (avoiding self-employment taxes on that amount and minimizing or eliminating any taxable corporate profits for the year).

incrediBILL




msg:1419761
 4:41 am on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

I never said DON'T DO IT, just avoid the police - be a hermit during your stay :)

dreamlord




msg:1419762
 7:48 am on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

Strange...Will they detect it if google pays you $1000 every month?

Tiebreaker




msg:1419763
 8:53 am on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>> Every non-US citizen in the affiliate marketing world probably envies (or at least wishes he is) US citizen affiliates with all your inherent advantages.

Hmmm ...

The USA is one of only 4 countries in the world that taxes its citizens wherever they live in the world - every other country allows you to legally avoid tax by simply moving to a tax haven country - which is what I'm just about to do

No offence, but I'm very glad I'm not American.

OptiRex




msg:1419764
 11:24 am on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

I bet you guys pay a higher % in taxes than US citizens...

Personally I have not paid a penny in income tax for the last 5 years however I did set myself this goal many years ago.

Other taxes are sometimes unavoidable in daily life, I don't smoke which is useful but do drink beer, which is not!

There are many Europeans, like Americans, who do not pay any/much tax and the politicians are the biggest avoiders of all, not just companies etc!

OptiRex




msg:1419765
 11:29 am on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

simply moving to a tax haven country - which is what I'm just about to do

Tiebreaker - Where are you moving to? I'm just looking at some property in southern Spain since I've been trying to decide for ages where to establish my winter office.

dollarshort




msg:1419766
 12:25 pm on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

You can maintain your US citizenship and not required to pay any taxes up to $80,000 per year working as an "expat" for a foriegn entity. Set up your company as a foriegn entity and become an employee, the only catch your have to meet minimum duration stays in that country.

limitup




msg:1419767
 6:37 pm on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think it's sort of assumed that people looking into this type of thing are making more than $80 or $100k per year. So the question remains, how do you do it with large sums of money, in a way that you can easily get access to and spend the money?

Hanslicht




msg:1419768
 6:58 pm on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

"So the question remains, how do you do it with large sums of money, in a way that you can easily get access to and spend the money?"

Limitup - you are talking about money laundring here. It is illegal, but I am thinking about it too. I am living in the country with the highest income tax in the world (somewhere in Europe :-). This means that I have to pay more than 50% of my adsense income to the taxman.

Right now I have my Adsense account on hold because I am saving up for the costs of opening an account in a tax heaven.

This is how it will work:

The google checks will arrive in my mail box every month. I resend them to my bank in Antigua, where I have a visa-card to the account.

I can now cash the money from bankomats, here it is up to 500 USD pr. day, use it when buying stuff anonymiusly (not plane-tickets, hotels, cars, real-estate but nearly everything else)

This setup is very hard to track.

dreamlord




msg:1419769
 7:01 pm on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hanslicht...You live in...Belgium!

Why not Luxembourg?

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